Dana White stands by "pay for rankings" claim, says UFC is the NFL of MMA

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sclasclemski
6/14/10 9:09:25PM
No stranger to a little controversy, UFC president Dana White recently made waves by suggesting in a May interview with ESPN's Bill Simmons that many mixed-martial-arts rankings lists were influenced through financial contributions.

This past weekend, in a one-on-one interview with MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com), White confirmed that he still believes rival promotions are improperly influencing the media's opinion.

"Let me tell you what; I've been in this business for a long time," White said. "Nobody, and I mean [expletive] nobody, knows more about this business than I do.

"Everything that's happened throughout the years, all the [expletive] that I've gone through, my biggest beef with a lot of these MMA websites is that these guys are for-profit websites. They're not [expletive] news sites. They're for-profit websites."


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I've been on this for awhile...I don't think they are 100% there yet but I think by the time Strikeforce finally collapses or at least loses its network deal then that will pretty much seal the deal.
BlueSkiesBurn
6/14/10 9:20:17PM
Well, if you're not going to give them the title of NFL then they are certainly the BCS. They pretty much decide everything that's going to happen, tell you who the number 1 fighter is, make the promotional deals with other companies (Tostito's Fiesta Bowl:Harley Davidson The Only Motorcycle Worthy of Being in the Octagon), they occasionally give you the match-ups you want to see between powerhouses, and they definitely get more viewers than their counterparts (Division II Playoffs:Strikforce)
sclasclemski
6/14/10 9:28:10PM
thats a pretty decent comparison...though I think once Fedor retires and Overeem and Rogers join the UFC then that pretty much consolidates the HW division...Mousasi and King MO for the LHW...A few more necessary needed for MW on down but you get the idea...its not far off before there isn't an argument about where ALL the best fighters are.
zxandu
6/14/10 9:36:20PM

Posted by sclasclemski

thats a pretty decent comparison...though I think once Fedor retires and Overeem and Rogers join the UFC then that pretty much consolidates the HW division...Mousasi and King MO for the LHW...A few more necessary needed for MW on down but you get the idea...its not far off before there isn't an argument about where ALL the best fighters are.



That would be awesome to hear, but I wish that more fighters were represented by actual agents, not "advisers." The same guy who represents Machida also reps Silva, not cool. These guys all work with their own camps and sh*t.

What if Fedor were represented by Scott Boras or Drew Rosenhaus, these guys could gain more exposure thus being able to command more leverage over the fight leagues. These fighters need to start looking into agents whom have more endorsement connections more business savvy.

Just ask BlueSkies on his opinion about Fedor's "business manager."
sclasclemski
6/14/10 9:40:41PM
Well Fedor is a an entity unto himself...I love watching him fight...but seriously if he doesn't fight Overeem soon then I couldn't care less what he does anymore...but I agree that fight camps are a little too tight...I am certainly getting tired of seeing Ed Soares all the time...
Aether
6/14/10 11:12:46PM
I think this is just Dana being a promoter and trying to attack the legitimacy of his competition, I don't think anyone is really paying to have rankings fixed on some MMA sites. Generally speaking, the rankings are pretty consistent across the board, unless the same people are bribing like every website out there I doubt there's much credence to this claim.
jae_1833
6/14/10 11:39:23PM
Rankings are extremely opinionated and always will be.....who cares what a web site says if you are a president of a company as rich and powerful as the UFC. They are definately the NFL of MMA due to the talent, number of shows, PPV buys, gate attendance, fighter payouts, quantity and quality of fighters, and the fact that there are still a mass majority of "fans" who still refer to it as "ultimate fighting" or "UFC" and not MMA. Most fight "fans" I meet are completely ignorant of Dream and Strikeforce really.
Chael_Sonnen
6/14/10 11:41:57PM
Such a potty mouth on Dana
BlueSkiesBurn
6/15/10 12:02:42AM
Right now the UFC isn't even the NHL of things. They have a long way to go before they can call themselves the NFL of MMA. Before Dana starts comparing himself to a nationally recognized product that more people watch than any other sport, he should realize that the UFC still has a long way to go before he can mention his product in the same breath as the NFL. I say this more by the way the organization is ran than whether or not it's top competition. Even using the football comparison the NFL is the only product that has seen national tv in recent memory. CFL and Arena Bowl get NO airplay. Strikeforce and EliteXC have. They've managed to get on network TV, while Dana has not.

My BCS comparison works better. They don't give a **** what anyone thinks they will do what they want. They will crown whomever they decide like crowning (by letting them fight/play). They make hundreds of millions of dollars and share peanuts of that with the athletes responsible for generating their revenue. They have an effective monopoly by virtue of being the most powerful entity with all the right players. They have no desire to make the BIG necessary changes to ensure more stability within the system and fairness for those involved. And, lastly, they will both gladly tell you that nobodies opinion but theirs matters. If that's not the BCS/UFC in a nutshell I don't know what is.
jae_1833
6/15/10 12:24:29AM
They definately can't compare to the NFL but they most certainly are the biggest org in MMA.
lohmann
6/15/10 1:25:16AM

White's biggest gripe, of course, comes with media members who believe Russian heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko should be considered the world's top pound-for-pound fighter.

"[Strikeforce has] sold 4,000 tickets to the (June 26) Fedor fight," White said. "That fight is in a couple of weeks. Nobody gives a [expletive], and nobody is going to give a [expletive] about Fedor until he gets in here and fights the best fighters in the world. And believe me when I tell you I tried to make it happen. You don't even know the crazy [expletive] places that I've flown and the [expletive] that I've done to try and get this fight done. It got to the point where it became an obsession. I wasn't sleeping.

"Guys who deserve to be called the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world are the guys who are fighting the best in the world three times a year," White said. "So when you talk about the rankings and all this [expletive], you're going to put Strikeforce in the same [expletive] sentence as the UFC? We're global. We're all over the world. These guys can't sell tickets in their own hometown. They're dying. They just had a heavyweight championship fight with a guy who got knocked the [expletive] out in his previous fight. You know what I'm saying? It's insane.



A lot of MMA media doesn't even rank Fedor #1 P4P anymore (although he's a consensus top three).

Dana White's just trying to discredit Fedor once again, but he's going to need to convince more than just the media that Fedor isn't the world's best heavyweight and a top P4P fighter. He's going to have convince a lot of hardcore mixed martial arts fans, and those are the fans that tend to know Dana White isn't the absolute truth on the subject of MMA.

Brock Lesnar has fought less than Fedor has in the last two years, and the HW division is not nearly as owned by the UFC as the LHW and WW divisions are.
sbulldavid
6/15/10 1:25:39AM
This subject is lame, does anybody really care, rankings don't even involve title shots or superfights half the time, so it's not a big deal. How long was Cro Cop the number 4 heavyweight in the world before he got exposed, it's just a matter of opinion, most people had Shogun at about number 8 when he got his shot.
theruler_
6/15/10 2:23:33AM
you know what to do dana - bite the bullet and create your own official ufc rankings!
of course that won't happen because it gives the fighters too much power. i actually like dana but this is a waste of time and not particularly relevant to anything.
mrsmiley
6/15/10 6:59:36AM
Dana comes across as a moron on this particular subject.
He expects us to believe other orgs pay to have their fighters placed in rankings and for us to totally not even think that perhaps the so called "NFL of MMA" would do the same since the majority of top 10 fighters are from his promotion?
I would understand his point if most ranked fighters across the board in each division fought outside of the UFC but that's not the case.
Further more,other promotions seem to be more open ended about letting fighters jump ships and fight in other places. To me it would make more since if the fighters themselves paid for a rank posistion as opposed to the promotion doing it. With that type of thinking it would be more viable for the UFC to pay for rankings since their fighters are locked into contract.

postman
6/15/10 7:37:52AM
If you hit this link it will take you to MMA Junkie Radio and they had Dann Stupp on, he talks about this subject its pretty intresting. I don't remember when it was in the show but it was pretty good. Its from the June 9th episode. Junkie Radio
tallica62
6/15/10 9:33:49AM

Posted by sclasclemski

thats a pretty decent comparison...though I think once Fedor retires and Overeem and Rogers join the UFC then that pretty much consolidates the HW division...Mousasi and King MO for the LHW...A few more necessary needed for MW on down but you get the idea...its not far off before there isn't an argument about where ALL the best fighters are.



Rogers would be eaten alive in UFC heavyweight division...Overeen=overrated...will never make it to #1 in UFC..might be a few lower tier guys, but not one of the best

and Mousasi or King Mo for LHW??!! no way...once again, UFC will eat them...might get some lower tier wins, but not at the top of that food chain

Bruce Buffer is right when he says the UFC is the ultimate proving ground...of course with very select few exceptions in other organizations ie Aldo (although hes 135) and maaaaaybe Fedor, but hes gotta prove himself against UFC top to claim best in the world
BigIP
6/15/10 9:47:25AM
Aren't most News sites for profit???
ncordless
6/15/10 6:23:12PM

Posted by BigIP

Aren't most News sites for profit???



Pretty much. Unless he wants to be covered only by NPR, PBS, BBC, CBC, and the like he is gonna want some for-profit news coverage.
BustedKnuckle
6/15/10 7:39:58PM
Well at least we get a bit of clossure on why they dropped sherdogs creds. I hate to agree with Dana, as he is a very radical personbut, The man has a point. Money = Bias....flat out no other way around it! I dont see where it hurts thre UFC as a company, unless it was to hget way out of hand. But he has to bitch about somthing right???
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