Dana White: Fedor Emelianenko One of the Greatest Heavyweights Ever

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FastKnockout
10/31/12 11:44:34AM
There's not much UFC President Dana White will concede when talking about former Pride heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko.

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sparky
10/31/12 11:55:50AM
In my opinion Fedor is the Michael Jordan of MMA.
Biggavelli
10/31/12 12:10:03PM

Posted by sparky

In my opinion Fedor is the Michael Jordan of MMA.



Amen
BillsNewAccount
10/31/12 12:47:53PM
I really didn't enjoy hearing Dana trash Fedor and Overeem when his best HW was Randy.

$20 says if Fedor signs with Bellator DW will say Fedor is a farce not fitting to fight on TUF.
ghandikush
10/31/12 1:06:01PM

Posted by sparky

In my opinion Fedor WAS the Michael Jordan of MMA.



mrsmiley
10/31/12 2:04:23PM
So Dana admits he's one of the greatest HW's but not one of the greatest.

Dana's not honest like most praise him to be. He's a promoter who comes across in an honest way.
airkerma
10/31/12 2:11:28PM
Not the GOAT/P4P greatest? Fine. But not the greatest HW of all time? lolwut?
Bythar
10/31/12 2:47:05PM
'One of the' huh? I wonder who he is thinking was better...

As for this nugget: “Is he one of the greatest mixed martial artists of all time? You’re out of your minds”, Dana is out of his mind. You don't be the best at your weight class ever and not be one of the best of all time.
prophecy033
10/31/12 3:13:13PM
Fedor is the Best HW to ever fight as of this moment and one of the best p4p fighters in history. Fuck what the haters say
Manak
10/31/12 3:13:29PM

Posted by Bythar

'One of the' huh? I wonder who he is thinking was better...

As for this nugget: “Is he one of the greatest mixed martial artists of all time? You’re out of your minds”, Dana is out of his mind. You don't be the best at your weight class ever and not be one of the best of all time.



very true, if you the best at you weight class that means you one of 5 best ever. the other 4 being the best at lhw, mw, ww, lw. so how can they say he is not one of the best all time when eh would be top 5...
Svartorm
10/31/12 3:32:52PM

Posted by ghandikush


Posted by sparky

In my opinion Fedor WAS the Michael Jordan of MMA.






Right. Sort of like how Michael Jordan WAS the Michael Jordan of basketball.
Budgellism
10/31/12 4:01:46PM

Posted by Svartorm


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by sparky

In my opinion Fedor WAS the Michael Jordan of MMA.






Right. Sort of like how Michael Jordan WAS the Michael Jordan of basketball.



Lol, I was thinking the same thing.
Budgellism
10/31/12 4:02:21PM

Posted by prophecy033

Fedor is the Best HW to ever fight as of this moment and one of the best p4p fighters in history. Fuck what the haters say



mrsmiley
10/31/12 4:22:56PM
What gets me if Fedor is not the greatest HW of all time than who is?

Nog
Mir
Timmy
AA
JDS
Cain
Brock
Coleman
Couture
Barnett
Carwin

The list is not that vast.
jay98107
10/31/12 4:26:56PM

Posted by prophecy033

Fedor is the Best HW to ever fight as of this moment and one of the best p4p fighters in history. Fuck what the haters say



My faith in the forums has grown immensely thanks to comments like these
Bubbles
10/31/12 4:47:19PM

Posted by prophecy033

Fedor is the Best HW to ever fight as of this moment and one of the best p4p fighters in history. Fuck what the haters say


kingsmasher
10/31/12 5:18:27PM

Posted by mrsmiley

What gets me if Fedor is not the greatest HW of all time than who is?

Nog
Mir
Timmy
AA
JDS
Cain
Brock
Coleman
Couture
Barnett
Carwin

The list is not that vast.




Fedor overrated....Lost 3 times in a row when he faced actual competition...

He was never dedicated...had excuses for loses and Michael Jordan faced the best competition that you could throw at him...

I like Fedor but he cared little about his fans...his record was padded easily...

Like the guy Sarnasky who faced Clementi 22-0 just a padded record until he faced big love...

Im sorry and really a padded record is a little impressive but he owed it to his legions of fans to at least MAke his management agree to one fight in the UFC...that woulda been against Brock who isnt that great either but he didnt even get that on his resume...
prozacnation1978
10/31/12 5:42:23PM
We can all agree on that one
Shawn91111
10/31/12 6:05:14PM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by mrsmiley

What gets me if Fedor is not the greatest HW of all time than who is?

Nog
Mir
Timmy
AA
JDS
Cain
Brock
Coleman
Couture
Barnett
Carwin

The list is not that vast.




Fedor overrated....Lost 3 times in a row when he faced actual competition...

He was never dedicated...had excuses for loses and Michael Jordan faced the best competition that you could throw at him...

I like Fedor but he cared little about his fans...his record was padded easily...

Like the guy Sarnasky who faced Clementi 22-0 just a padded record until he faced big love...

Im sorry and really a padded record is a little impressive but he owed it to his legions of fans to at least MAke his management agree to one fight in the UFC...that woulda been against Brock who isnt that great either but he didnt even get that on his resume...



First off who the fuck are you to question a fighters dedication? Are you them? Do you go through their training or know what they do? No, you dont.

He doesnt owe anyone a damn thing, he is his own person, own man
mrsmiley
10/31/12 6:26:30PM
Okay so during Fedors heyday who else was their to fight?
CC and Nog where considered better than timmy and AA.
During the heavy part of Fedors reign UFC had Timmy and AA,and Mir.
Fedor fought 2 of those 3 and beat them.You can add Couture as well,so Fedor beat 4 out 6 of the best in his divison.
You can add Barnett but his consecutive losses to CC dropped him back. Would have loved to have seen that fight though.

The only argument can be made for the very late part of his career. With Brock,Cain,and JDS. Brock is now but a memory with fights that I don't even think rack in the double digits and JDS,along with Cains longevity is yet to be seen. In no way am i trying to bash those guys but we have to wait and see on two of them. Cain himself has said Fedor was an inspiration if i'm not mistaken.
If Cain,JDS,and Brock had been fighting in UFC while Fedor was in Pride,yeah the argument would be a tough one.
During his heyday name who their was to fight that he didn't.
george112
10/31/12 7:46:31PM
Fedor Forever and Always FTW

Damn I miss watching him trade fearlessly with ANYONE everytime!!
Cooler
10/31/12 8:07:31PM
He knows it deep down he just can't say it because Fedor never stepped foot in the octagon. Dana doesn't have to say Fedor was the goat, he never tried harder to sign anyone else and never offered nearly that kind of money to any other free agent. Dana was willing to do anything to get Fedor except help M-1 in any way at all when The UFC had been co-promoting for years and because of this stubbornness we never got to see Randy get his belt taken away by Fedor.
bjj1605
10/31/12 10:48:49PM
It's hard for me to respect the opinion of any one who doubts that Fedor was the SINGLE greatest heavy weight of all time. Not one of the greatest, simply the greatest.

I don't see any reasonable argument that could be made for anyone else.
ghandikush
11/1/12 1:18:49AM

Posted by bjj1605

It's hard for me to respect the opinion of any one who doubts that Fedor was the SINGLE greatest heavy weight of all time. Not one of the greatest, simply the greatest.

I don't see any reasonable argument that could be made for anyone else.



Greatest of HIS time. Beating Big Nog down is no small feat but I hardly consider beating Schilt or the shy performance of CC to be any better wins than JDS beating Cain down. We need perspective. If Fedor is the best of all time HW now it wont be very long at all until a UFC HW eclipses the best portion of Fedors legacy.

Also as performance and talent go no HW may ever out perform Fedor but I'm willing to bet if we had a time machine guys like JDS and Cain would win that fight. It means something when you think how many HWs are close to those twos level.
prophecy033
11/1/12 11:11:16AM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by mrsmiley

What gets me if Fedor is not the greatest HW of all time than who is?

Nog
Mir
Timmy
AA
JDS
Cain
Brock
Coleman
Couture
Barnett
Carwin

The list is not that vast.




Fedor overrated....Lost 3 times in a row when he faced actual competition...

He was never dedicated...had excuses for loses and Michael Jordan faced the best competition that you could throw at him...

I like Fedor but he cared little about his fans...his record was padded easily...

Like the guy Sarnasky who faced Clementi 22-0 just a padded record until he faced big love...

Im sorry and really a padded record is a little impressive but he owed it to his legions of fans to at least MAke his management agree to one fight in the UFC...that woulda been against Brock who isnt that great either but he didnt even get that on his resume...

Hey kingsmasher, your ignorance is showing
Bubbles
11/1/12 11:36:35AM

Posted by ghandikush
Greatest of HIS time. Beating Big Nog down is no small feat but I hardly consider beating Schilt or the shy performance of CC to be any better wins than JDS beating Cain down. We need perspective. If Fedor is the best of all time HW now it wont be very long at all until a UFC HW eclipses the best portion of Fedors legacy.

Also as performance and talent go no HW may ever out perform Fedor but I'm willing to bet if we had a time machine guys like JDS and Cain would win that fight. It means something when you think how many HWs are close to those twos level.


And I bet someone like Dwight Howard would be the best C and Roy Halladay would win 6 consecutive Cy Youngs in the 70s. Would someone like Sandy Koufax pitch 20 CGs with a sub 2 ERA in todays game? Would Wilt Chamberlain average 35 ppg and 25 rpg in 2012? Not even close, but yet Sandy and Wilt are still considered one of the, if not the, greatest at their position of all time.
Manak
11/1/12 11:41:34AM

Posted by ghandikush


Posted by bjj1605

It's hard for me to respect the opinion of any one who doubts that Fedor was the SINGLE greatest heavy weight of all time. Not one of the greatest, simply the greatest.

I don't see any reasonable argument that could be made for anyone else.



Greatest of HIS time. Beating Big Nog down is no small feat but I hardly consider beating Schilt or the shy performance of CC to be any better wins than JDS beating Cain down. We need perspective. If Fedor is the best of all time HW now it wont be very long at all until a UFC HW eclipses the best portion of Fedors legacy.

Also as performance and talent go no HW may ever out perform Fedor but I'm willing to bet if we had a time machine guys like JDS and Cain would win that fight. It means something when you think how many HWs are close to those twos level.



Really you dont consider schilt a better win than cain. Semmy is a 4 time K-1 WGP champ... cain has a total of 11 fights and is smaller than JDS and CC messed fedor's face up so i wouldn't really call that shy especially since fedor had the perfect gameplan for CC.
Bubbles
11/1/12 11:45:54AM

Posted by Manak


Posted by ghandikush
Greatest of HIS time. Beating Big Nog down is no small feat but I hardly consider beating Schilt or the shy performance of CC to be any better wins than JDS beating Cain down. We need perspective. If Fedor is the best of all time HW now it wont be very long at all until a UFC HW eclipses the best portion of Fedors legacy.



Really you dont consider schilt a better win than cain. Semmy is a 4 time K-1 WGP champ... cain has a total of 11 fights and is smaller than JDS and CC messed fedor's face up so i wouldn't really call that shy especially since fedor had the perfect gameplan for CC.


hey ghandikush, guess what? Belfort, Okami, Maia, Leites were all "shy" performances too....so what can we conclude with that in regards to Anderson Silva???
cowcatcher
11/1/12 11:49:49AM

Posted by ghandikush

Greatest of HIS time. Beating Big Nog down is no small feat but I hardly consider beating Schilt or the shy performance of CC to be any better wins than JDS beating Cain down. We need perspective. If Fedor is the best of all time HW now it wont be very long at all until a UFC HW eclipses the best portion of Fedors legacy.

Also as performance and talent go no HW may ever out perform Fedor but I'm willing to bet if we had a time machine guys like JDS and Cain would win that fight. It means something when you think how many HWs are close to those twos level.



You can say the greatest of his time, but you need to go ahead and name someone else that IS the greatest of all time then. You can't just say he's not the best ever because someone else is going to come along and be better than him. Well I guess you can, but it's ridiculous.

On to the second part, you could make a time machine and send Albert Pujols back to the 1920's and you can almost guarantee he'd put up better numbers than Babe Ruth. It doesn't make the Babe any less of a player or all time great, it just means that the sport, and athletes themselves have evolved. The beauty of MMA is that if you built that time machine, Fedor still has a damn good chance of catching either one of those guys and putting them to sleep. In a sport where even the best guys get handed losses, for Fedor to go without a loss for that length of time against the best his era had to offer is incredibly impressive and makes him the best ever. Overrated fighters, shit most fighters, eventually get beaten in their primes, it happens. Fedor didn't until the twilight of his career.

I can't even respond to Kingsmasher's post. It's like arguing with a butthole, all you'll get back is smelly, hot air.
Bubbles
11/1/12 12:35:54PM

Posted by cowcatcher
On to the second part, you could make a time machine and send Albert Pujols back to the 1920's and you can almost guarantee he'd put up better numbers than Babe Ruth. It doesn't make the Babe any less of a player or all time great, it just means that the sport, and athletes themselves have evolved.


a Brewers fan using Pujols as an example?

but thanks for further backing up my point
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