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CwB
8/8/07 11:31:34AM
Even with a win against Keith Jardine at UFC 76, former champ Chuck Liddell will need an additional victory before he’s likely to be granted a title shot, UFC president Dana White says.

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Twenty20Dollars
8/8/07 12:31:03PM
I totally agree with this.
kevietre
8/8/07 1:02:56PM
Its the right thing to do he does deserve another shot since he was the best in the division for a while but he shouldnt have another fight with rampage right away since he's already lost twice. Im curios to see who his opponent will be after Jardine win or lose.
juanez13
8/8/07 1:17:37PM
i think his next opponent after jardine (assuming he wins) is either shogun or wanderlei silva....
three_days_of_grey
8/8/07 1:48:04PM
In light of this statement, I do not anticipate a Dec. 29th bout between Liddell and Silva due to the following:
1) Silva is on a slight losing streak with losses to CC/Hendo and I can't imagine why the UFC would put themselves in a position that is not win/win concerning these two fighters at this time.
2) Silva hasn't fought since Pride 33 in February and not in UFC since '99. He needs media exposure to casual fight fans here in the US.

With that said, I would love to see this fight happening, just not in Dec. Nor am I suggesting that either fighter is thrown a can. I would prefer to see Liddell vs Evans and Ortiz vs Silva II on that card. Simply by holding off on Liddell vs. Silva until after Dec., I think that we will ultimately see much better fights in the long run.

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Lethal
8/8/07 2:36:43PM
I'm not worried about Wanderlei's media exposure. All you need if for the UFC to bust out a few Pride HL and everyone will know that he's serious business. I do agree that it may hurt both of their careers if they fight each other after both losing their championship, but I'm worried that if it doesn't happen in December it may take another year to finally have them on the same page again.
ocho-cinco
8/8/07 2:57:28PM
This is a good decision by Dana. Franklin had to do the same. The thing that bothers me is why does Hughes have such an easy time getting his title shot?
Liddell was also a dominant champion, but he need to win 2 fights, and I'm assuming his next fight will be championship calibur. Hughes Also lost with a devistating KO, and all he had to do was beat Chris Lytle. Don't get me wrong Lytle is a good fighter, but come on. Make him beat Diego, or Karo as well, before he gets his shot. Plus now we have to wait till the TUF season ends before the belt gets defended, thats brutal.
three_days_of_grey
8/8/07 2:59:13PM

Posted by Lethal

I'm not worried about Wanderlei's media exposure. All you need if for the UFC to bust out a few Pride HL and everyone will know that he's serious business. I do agree that it may hurt both of their careers if they fight each other after both losing their championship, but I'm worried that if it doesn't happen in December it may take another year to finally have them on the same page again.



I don't think it would take another year. For instance, Liddell wins his 2nd fight in Dec. he could fight for the LHW belt in late Feb-early April (barring serious injury) and fight Silva in June-July. Should Chuck win the belt back, wouldnt a Liddell/Silva Championship fight be worth the additional wait??
mrsmiley
8/8/07 3:34:57PM
So long as his next opponent is of championship calibur,I think it's a good idea.
Lethal
8/8/07 4:12:45PM

Posted by three_days_of_grey


Posted by Lethal

I'm not worried about Wanderlei's media exposure. All you need if for the UFC to bust out a few Pride HL and everyone will know that he's serious business. I do agree that it may hurt both of their careers if they fight each other after both losing their championship, but I'm worried that if it doesn't happen in December it may take another year to finally have them on the same page again.



I don't think it would take another year. For instance, Liddell wins his 2nd fight in Dec. he could fight for the LHW belt in late Feb-early April (barring serious injury) and fight Silva in June-July. Should Chuck win the belt back, wouldnt a Liddell/Silva Championship fight be worth the additional wait??



That would be ideal IF Chuck wins it back, not that I'm doubting Chuck's abilities. I guess I'm a little impatient now that I see the fight possibly in the works and I've been waiting years for it to happen.
elysianwing
8/8/07 4:22:43PM

Posted by three_days_of_grey


Posted by Lethal

I'm not worried about Wanderlei's media exposure. All you need if for the UFC to bust out a few Pride HL and everyone will know that he's serious business. I do agree that it may hurt both of their careers if they fight each other after both losing their championship, but I'm worried that if it doesn't happen in December it may take another year to finally have them on the same page again.



I don't think it would take another year. For instance, Liddell wins his 2nd fight in Dec. he could fight for the LHW belt in late Feb-early April (barring serious injury) and fight Silva in June-July. Should Chuck win the belt back, wouldnt a Liddell/Silva Championship fight be worth the additional wait??



lol so.....you don't think it'll take another year....just another 11 months?


I do agree that Liddell and Silva shouldn't just be thrown together sloppily in an effort to satisfy over-eager fans, as you said, the fight will be better in the long run if they give Wand and Chuck a little rebound time.

but, I don't agree that Chuck should be fighting for the title just one fight after Jardine, and to be honest, I don't think he should get a title shot before he fights Silva at ALL.

He had a long run at the top of the ufc, and I can understand wanting to give him respect for that, but he got brutally knocked out by a man who already beat him into a pulp once before. Respect aside, it just doesn't make sense to have Chuck fight Rampage again without Chuck REALLY working his way back up the ladder.


I say Chuck/Evans, Wand/Bisping(maybe).

Silva/Ortiz 2 is another fight I feel should wait a bit, for the same reason chuck/wand should wait.


Chuck/Wand after their respective fights, winner earns a title shot.
three_days_of_grey
8/8/07 5:10:13PM

Posted by elysianwing


Posted by three_days_of_grey


Posted by Lethal

I'm not worried about Wanderlei's media exposure. All you need if for the UFC to bust out a few Pride HL and everyone will know that he's serious business. I do agree that it may hurt both of their careers if they fight each other after both losing their championship, but I'm worried that if it doesn't happen in December it may take another year to finally have them on the same page again.



I don't think it would take another year. For instance, Liddell wins his 2nd fight in Dec. he could fight for the LHW belt in late Feb-early April (barring serious injury) and fight Silva in June-July. Should Chuck win the belt back, wouldnt a Liddell/Silva Championship fight be worth the additional wait??



lol so.....you don't think it'll take another year....just another 11 months?


I do agree that Liddell and Silva shouldn't just be thrown together sloppily in an effort to satisfy over-eager fans, as you said, the fight will be better in the long run if they give Wand and Chuck a little rebound time.

but, I don't agree that Chuck should be fighting for the title just one fight after Jardine, and to be honest, I don't think he should get a title shot before he fights Silva at ALL.

He had a long run at the top of the ufc, and I can understand wanting to give him respect for that, but he got brutally knocked out by a man who already beat him into a pulp once before. Respect aside, it just doesn't make sense to have Chuck fight Rampage again without Chuck REALLY working his way back up the ladder.


I say Chuck/Evans, Wand/Bisping(maybe).

Silva/Ortiz 2 is another fight I feel should wait a bit, for the same reason chuck/wand should wait.


Chuck/Wand after their respective fights, winner earns a title shot.


No, not 11 months. I was counting from the December 29th show when they are rumored to be fighting... thought that was obvious. My apologies.
elysianwing
8/8/07 5:18:21PM

Posted by three_days_of_grey

No, not 11 months. I was counting from the December 29th show when they are rumored to be fighting... thought that was obvious. My apologies.



I was just kidding with you anyhow, no worries.
philoebeddoe
8/8/07 6:06:12PM
Good find. I agree 100% with that. He lost twice to the champ. One win against Jardine would not/ does not give him auto rematch...

The light heavies in the UFC is going to be great for a while with Hendo, Page, Chuck, Shogun, Lyoto, Griffin, Tito, Wandy....
Copenhagen
8/8/07 6:13:26PM
I bet after Chuck beats Jardine, they'll put him up against someone like Bisping and if he wins that he gets a title shot. Which if this happens I will be very pissed. Chuck has only beaten one person who is currently recognized in the top 10 LHW (Tito who is barely 9thish). I want to see Chuck face a top 5 LHW after the Jardine fight if he wins. I'm not hating on Chuck, I enjoy watching him fight. I would just like to see the 3rd ranked LHW with a win against at least someone in top 5 on his record.
Copenhagen
8/8/07 6:34:44PM
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Ordep
8/8/07 8:39:40PM
and what about Shogun???? How many times he have to fight to give him a title shot??? Let's say two...... Forrest and then Chuck.... so for both of them will be the 2nd fight in the road for the belt. Probability that will happen?? Dunno, the fight with Silva will be great anyway but bad for Shogun [if he wins ag. Forrest and I'm sure that'll happen] cause that mean that he'll have to wait more. Hopefully they set that 2nd fight against someone who really represent a challenge for him before the title shot and not the easy win as Dana did while putting Jardine there.
Sam_Rothstein
8/8/07 8:44:26PM
that would be awesome if the 2nd fight actually meant we get to finally see silva vs liddell.

i highly doubt we will see it but it would be an awesome fight still to this day even if they still dont have the names they once did
xphycorx
8/8/07 9:47:35PM
i think chuck should have to win more than 2 fights to get a title shot considering all the new light heavyweights entering the ufc. silva, henderson, alexander, etc..
TOMMYAYO05
8/9/07 1:13:27AM

Posted by ocho-cinco

This is a good decision by Dana. Franklin had to do the same. The thing that bothers me is why does Hughes have such an easy time getting his title shot?
Liddell was also a dominant champion, but he need to win 2 fights, and I'm assuming his next fight will be championship calibur. Hughes Also lost with a devistating KO, and all he had to do was beat Chris Lytle. Don't get me wrong Lytle is a good fighter, but come on. Make him beat Diego, or Karo as well, before he gets his shot. Plus now we have to wait till the TUF season ends before the belt gets defended, thats brutal.

Actually Franklin didnt want it until now he said he needed a couple tune up fights first.
Twenty20Dollars
8/9/07 1:22:16AM

Posted by Ordep

and what about Shogun???? How many times he have to fight to give him a title shot??? Let's say two...... Forrest and then Chuck.... so for both of them will be the 2nd fight in the road for the belt. Probability that will happen?? Dunno, the fight with Silva will be great anyway but bad for Shogun [if he wins ag. Forrest and I'm sure that'll happen] cause that mean that he'll have to wait more. Hopefully they set that 2nd fight against someone who really represent a challenge for him before the title shot and not the easy win as Dana did while putting Jardine there.



Buddy if you havent heard Dana said if Shogun wins his match againest forrest he is going to get the next title shot.

Oh also I dont see Liddell vs Silva till atleast '08. I see it like this they are going to give Silva someone else than chuck for his comeback to the UFC. and maybe early or middle of '08 have liddell vs Silva.
hardhitta513
8/9/07 2:25:22AM
Liddell lost 1ce the only reason his name seems tarnished is cuz ppl on here roast him but anyways i think it should b 2 fights jus cuz they so many LHW comin up..shogun vs. hendo i think then chuck if he wins his next 2 vs. shogun....
Branwest
8/9/07 10:36:58AM
Dana loves Chuck, and so do new bandwagon fans. Don't get me wrong, I like him to. But my point is, the UFC doesn't want him to lose. However, after Jardine, I think he will fight Silva. If he doesn't, and he wins the next two fights, gets a title shot, and loses that fight, then a fight with Silva would be put on the backburner for quite a while. Hendo gets the next shot, then Shogun, and then probably the winner of Liddell/Wandy.
Also, Hughes does usually get quicker shots to regain the title than most ppl. He was a dominant champion, but there are more and more fighters coming to the UFC. I would like to see Hughes/Karo again. Despite Karo's arrogance, he's a damn good fighter and, in my opinion, has a great shot of beating Hughes.
chickmagnet
8/9/07 2:33:29PM

Posted by CwB

Even with a win against Keith Jardine at UFC 76, former champ Chuck Liddell will need an additional victory before he’s likely to be granted a title shot, UFC president Dana White says.

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Personally i dont understand this, my point is Chuck was a dominant champ,
i dont get why he wouldn't be a contender in the mix if he beats Jardine, i think he sould either get a title shot or fight 1 of the top 2 guys in the world, why did Dana give Hughes another title shot and a chance to be a coach on TUF6 with matt serra, why does Hughes get to be next in line when he won a lack luster
U. Descision over Chris Lytle(not a contender at all), if Chuck wins its only fair to put him back in the mix, and people are sayin that Quinton dominated chuck
because he lost in 2 minutes, Chuck got clipped, it happens to everyone, the fight didn't go long enough to see who the better fighter was. St. Pierre destroyed Hughes for 2 rounds, that was dominance but yet Matt H. gets a title shot after one boring fightback. If Chuck wins give him a shot!!!!
Ordep
8/9/07 2:43:03PM

The thing is that when he was a dominant champion there were only few names in the division, I'm not saying they were bad, just few in numbers, 3 fights with Randy, 2 with Tito , 2 with Sobral..... a lot of rematches , now the LHW Division is packed with good fighters, that's why a win over Jardine isn't enough.
cmill21
8/9/07 2:45:31PM
Yes, he needs a win over another contender. You shoulden't become a contender by beating a can, IMO.
Chris_Keppel
8/9/07 3:58:15PM
My personal oppinion...

Chuck beats Jardine, Jackson beats Hendo...

Chuck fights Silva, winner of that fight gets to fight Jackson.

Jackson beats Silva (or chuck)... Chuck fights somebody like Houston Alexander or Ryota Machida (or Silva fights Henderson or Machida)... if Machida is fighting at 205 and not 185. Shogun by now has beat two people in Forest and whoever he fights next.

Jackson fights Shogun, Silva fights Tito, Liddell doesn't fight... Hendo fights some scrub.

Trust there will be a Mark Coleman and Shogun 2 in the UFC....


I don't think Silva and Shogun will ever fight eachother.
Lethal
8/9/07 4:27:32PM
I doubt Silva and Shogun fighting each other too, even though they both said they would if they had to. I know there aren't very many mark coleman fans, but i wouldn't might shogun rematching him in the UFC. I think that Coleman still has enough in him to take out a lot of these up and comers, especially because he's been fighting some of the best LHW and HW in Pride.
MaxOne
8/9/07 5:05:33PM

Posted by three_days_of_grey

In light of this statement, I do not anticipate a Dec. 29th bout between Liddell and Silva due to the following:
1) Silva is on a slight losing streak with losses to CC/Hendo and I can't imagine why the UFC would put themselves in a position that is not win/win concerning these two fighters at this time.
2) Silva hasn't fought since Pride 33 in February and not in UFC since '99. He needs media exposure to casual fight fans here in the US.

With that said, I would love to see this fight happening, just not in Dec. Nor am I suggesting that either fighter is thrown a can. I would prefer to see Liddell vs Evans and Ortiz vs Silva II on that card. Simply by holding off on Liddell vs. Silva until after Dec., I think that we will ultimately see much better fights in the long run.

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This is exactly what i'd like to see.
MaxOne
8/9/07 5:12:39PM

Posted by ocho-cinco

This is a good decision by Dana. Franklin had to do the same. The thing that bothers me is why does Hughes have such an easy time getting his title shot?
Liddell was also a dominant champion, but he need to win 2 fights, and I'm assuming his next fight will be championship calibur. Hughes Also lost with a devistating KO, and all he had to do was beat Chris Lytle. Don't get me wrong Lytle is a good fighter, but come on. Make him beat Diego, or Karo as well, before he gets his shot. Plus now we have to wait till the TUF season ends before the belt gets defended, thats brutal.



Yeah, i'd reather see Matt win a couple more fights before getting his shot. There is a lot of factors that go into the decisions and i'm sure the bottom line is fanancial. Liddell is a bigger draw so having Liddell win some fights before getting another title shot makes sense financially. Same with Franklin. The masses are happy paying to watch liddell or franklin.

Having Matt's be coaches before they fight will increase the # of viewers.

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