Dana White on Chuck Liddell: 'A loss at UFC 115 would be the end'

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emfleek
6/10/10 9:29:57AM
"Yes [a loss at UFC 115 would be the end of Chuck Liddell's career], and I think he will say the same thing. But let me tell you what the difference is - the difference before, when I wanted him retired, was that he wasn't doing the right thing. He was out partying every night and doing the wrong thing not the right thing. He wasn't living the life of a professional athlete... He and I sat down and talked and I will tell you what, he has kept his word. He has been phenomenal shape since the beginning of The Ultimate Fighter and it will be interesting to see how he does. Because Rick Franklin is tough, he is no joke. He had that war with Dan Henderson that many people believe he won, he had the war with Wanderlei Silva - he has fought all the best in the world."

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Twenty20Dollars
6/10/10 10:54:23AM
Now what if chuck loses a close split decision? Or loses contraversal decision? Does he get 1 more fight?
postman
6/10/10 11:16:35AM
Did you click on the link of the photo? Man thats the third one I have seen I don't ever remember Chuck looking so lean.
seanfu
6/10/10 2:03:45PM
Yeah, after this he's done, just like after the last 2
Jackelope
6/10/10 2:10:44PM
I wish I could say I had faith in Chuck still. I don't, though. I mean he was taking it to Rashad before he got KTFO'd, so obviously his offensive abilities are still there, but his defensive abilities are way behind and I'm sorry to say it but I've got no faith in his chin. It's too bad because it sounds like I'm talking down about a legend but isn't it all true??

I honestly think Nog, Randy, Chuck, Mirko, Randleman, Coleman, Tito, etc. are all done. That generation had its time and it is over. Franklin and Henderson are only a half a step behind them, too. The elites of the new generation would beat all of them IMO.
emfleek
6/10/10 2:16:27PM

Posted by Jackelope

I wish I could say I had faith in Chuck still. I don't, though. I mean he was taking it to Rashad before he got KTFO'd, so obviously his offensive abilities are still there, but his defensive abilities are way behind and I'm sorry to say it but I've got no faith in his chin. It's too bad because it sounds like I'm talking down about a legend but isn't it all true??

I honestly think Nog, Randy, Chuck, Mirko, Randleman, Coleman, Tito, etc. are all done. That generation had its time and it is over. Franklin and Henderson are only a half a step behind them, too. The elites of the new generation would be all of them IMO.



Agreed. It really sucks when your favorite fighter of all-time is pretty much out the door in terms of competing.

I'm having an internal argument with myself about this fight. My brain says "pick Franklin" and my heart says "pick Liddell". And then these pictures of Chuck show up that make me think that I would be justified in picking with my heart.
Twenty20Dollars
6/10/10 2:41:56PM
I still think chuck/tito 3 should still happen even if chuck loses.
tcunningham
6/10/10 3:14:14PM
if chuck gets destroyed, then it will be over for sure. its hard to say if its a good fight and he still loses then he might get another chance. if they go out there and lay it all out in an all out war and chuck loses then at least it will show hes got some fight left in him. he really needs to just go out and get the KO to keep fighting in the UFC.
BlueSkiesBurn
6/10/10 5:59:14PM
It seems kind of pointless to bring back Liddell if you're only gonna have him fight once.
jae_1833
6/11/10 12:41:55AM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

I still think chuck/tito 3 should still happen even if chuck loses.


That is the proper way to say goodbye to Chuck....by watching him KO Tito one last time!
ncordless
6/11/10 2:15:36AM

Posted by Jackelope

I wish I could say I had faith in Chuck still. I don't, though. I mean he was taking it to Rashad before he got KTFO'd, so obviously his offensive abilities are still there, but his defensive abilities are way behind and I'm sorry to say it but I've got no faith in his chin. It's too bad because it sounds like I'm talking down about a legend but isn't it all true??

I honestly think Nog, Randy, Chuck, Mirko, Randleman, Coleman, Tito, etc. are all done. That generation had its time and it is over. Franklin and Henderson are only a half a step behind them, too. The elites of the new generation would beat all of them IMO.



I agree that most of the best from the first half of the decade are near the end. A couple of them seem to evading the age bug right now like Vitor (who started so young) and Fedor (who was so far ahead of everyone else in his time that the decline is slower), but I'd be willing to bet that within five years no one that was relevant in 2004 will still be relevant.
Jackelope
6/11/10 2:32:56AM

Posted by ncordless

I agree that most of the best from the first half of the decade are near the end. A couple of them seem to evading the age bug right now like Vitor (who started so young) and Fedor (who was so far ahead of everyone else in his time that the decline is slower), but I'd be willing to bet that within five years no one that was relevant in 2004 will still be relevant.





Little Nog will be around for a while yet and so will Vitor probably. (like somewhat relevant for the next 3-5 years I'd guess) But other than that I'm hard pressed to think of guys off the top of my head that will be around. Overeem will probably be starting his decline around that time I'd guess. But I think he'll be semi-relevant (depending on which org he's fighting for) for the next 5.
lohmann
6/11/10 3:08:56AM

Posted by Jackelope



Little Nog will be around for a while yet and so will Vitor probably. (like somewhat relevant for the next 3-5 years I'd guess) But other than that I'm hard pressed to think of guys off the top of my head that will be around. Overeem will probably be starting his decline around that time I'd guess. But I think he'll be semi-relevant (depending on which org he's fighting for) for the next 5.



Only fighter I can think of is Georges St. Pierre. Hard to believe that his first shot at a title was in 2004, and he's still not 30. By the time he's done, there's a great chance he will be the greatest of all time.

Heavyweights and light heavyweights "age" at a slower rate than those in lighter weight classes, so I can see a few of the older ones still being viable contenders or gatekeepers in five years. By and large I agree with ncordless, although I'm interested in seeing how Fedor reacts to getting slower, as his speed is what separates him from the vast majority of heavyweights.
BlueSkiesBurn
6/11/10 4:33:42AM
It's difficult for me to watch so many legends, whom I loved, drop off. lohmann, you're so right. By the time GSP is done, he could be incredible. That's the exciting part about these up-and-comers. They have exponential potential.
Jackelope
6/11/10 10:10:37AM

Posted by lohmann


Only fighter I can think of is Georges St. Pierre. Hard to believe that his first shot at a title was in 2004, and he's still not 30. By the time he's done, there's a great chance he will be the greatest of all time.

Heavyweights and light heavyweights "age" at a slower rate than those in lighter weight classes, so I can see a few of the older ones still being viable contenders or gatekeepers in five years. By and large I agree with ncordless, although I'm interested in seeing how Fedor reacts to getting slower, as his speed is what separates him from the vast majority of heavyweights.



Wow... yeah that is hard to believe. I didn't realize that was all the way back in 2004. Pretty crazy.

I think GSP could very likely retire in the next 4 or 5 years if he continues on his run for much longer. He doesn't have much work left to do at all in the WW division. And if he does move beyond that division up into 185 then there's only so much work he can put in there, too. IMO he's earned "early" retirement and will have accomplished enough to be able to walk away with peace of mind knowing he's done quite a bit with his career and left hardly any questions as to his dominance.
mrsmiley
6/11/10 12:24:55PM

when I wanted him retired, was that he wasn't doing the right thing. He was out partying every night and doing the wrong thing not the right thing.



So I guess this means Tito was right about the whole alchohol addiction thing?
MaxOne
6/11/10 4:22:13PM
Let Chuck decide for himself and talk w/him in private like a friend about why he should if you think he should. These public comments are wack. I understand that Dana gets interviewed all the time but all he has to say is "It's up to Chuck."
BustedKnuckle
6/11/10 9:21:01PM
A lot of pressure is on Chuck here . He looks better than he has in a very long time. He is back to scary type "Iceman" shape. I want to see how he comes out against Franklin before I pass judgement on a HOF'er!!!! He deserves that kind of respect.
Wolfenstein
6/12/10 4:53:03AM
A loss to Rich Franklin wouldn't be "the end" by any means. Rich is a great fighter, so no shame in that. I think this pressure of win or retire just needs to be put to a halt. Chuck's a very entertaining fighter, and he obviously doesn't really seem keen on the idea of retirement, and he's better than quite a few other young LHW's out there.
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