Dana White Blames The Ultimate Fighter 13's Poor Quality on Lack of Elimination Round

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FastKnockout
5/17/11 2:47:30PM
It's no secret that this season's The Ultimate Fighter is suffering. After an initial 1.5 million viewers tuned in for the show's debut on March 30th and a steady rating for the next five episodes, the ratings hit a new low last week, garnering only 1 million viewers, or a 0.8 household rating. The NBA playoffs may be one of the reasons why the show is losing viewers, but one fan told Dana White that the show was "unbearably boring, unbearable to watch" at the UFC 129 Fan Expo in Toronto. Interestingly enough, Dana White agreed:

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FastKnockout
5/17/11 3:07:39PM
Well, Dana, that isn't the only issue with this season..

*Dos Santos doesn't have the personality to attract casual fans
*Fans don't care about Lesnar unless he's actually fighting
*Most of the fighters this season fight like amatuers
*No drama between teams
*Poor time slot

Everything that could go wrong with TUF did go wrong this season.. I still feel as though Zuffa was banking on Lesnar drawing in fans, and it backfired. Lesnar can bring in both the hardcore fan and the casual fan, but only when he's fighting it seems.
CCPRIDE99
5/17/11 4:20:38PM
the show was so much better when they used to focus on the drama more than the fighting
prozacnation1978
5/17/11 4:45:21PM

Posted by CCPRIDE99

the show was so much better when they used to focus on the drama more than the fighting




I totally agree!!! That and need grudge coaches. Plus elimination round

Maybe a international canada, brazil. Tuf needs to happen sonner rather than later
postman
5/17/11 4:52:20PM

Posted by prozacnation1978


Posted by CCPRIDE99

the show was so much better when they used to focus on the drama more than the fighting




I totally agree!!! That and need grudge coaches. Plus elimination round

Maybe a international canada, brazil. Tuf needs to happen sonner rather than later



LOL I quit watching due to the fact that the drama was dumb the fighters lack skill and the only thing I could gain from it would be a glimps of other ways of training. Well as we all know they never show any training worth anything so the show in my view has been pointless for a long long time.
machodog76
5/17/11 5:11:41PM
As much as I hate the drama, I think it makes the fights more compeling and I'll never forget the upperdecker episode as well as the Junie show. I think more than anything the format has just become stale, Bellators weekly cards are much more interesting plus you get 4 quality fights as opposed to one or two amaturish bouts.
Gladiator
5/17/11 5:17:10PM
I would really like to see another "comeback" season of TUF, with possibly a bigger contract at stake so they could bring back some of the more successful former fighters. I just feel like theres a lot of guys who have been cut in recent years that could make another run in the ufc, not to mention the fights on the show would be a lot better... no way they would be worse than this seasons
Twenty20Dollars
5/17/11 5:29:07PM
I think when I saw this on mmamania and they had the picture of the cast, I picked out like 5 or 6 guys that wouldnt have even made it into the house.
mrsmiley
5/17/11 5:29:44PM
I've had a hard time watching TUF when it went into the 3rd season.
In a way I give it as a backhanded compliment. Simply put, I think the UFC has outgrown the show and needs a new outlet to showcase fighters. It jumped the shark once guys started spunking in salads but that doesn't mean you have to throwout the baby with the bath water.

I'm no tv executive but I think perhaps it be best to get back to the basics. What I found so compelling,and I think what others did as well was the story behind the fighters. Now the show has become a painfull re-hashing of personalities we've seen many times before and it feels forced,not genuine.
I believe the best route would be to showcase 2 rising stars in the world of MMA who have yet to break into the UFC and show how fighting has affected,and enhanced their lives and the rewards and consequences that follow. Once the viewers have gained an emotional investment in either or both fighters place them against eachother on a Fight Night card. I'm not saying this is a fullproof plan for succusess,but I feel it's better than watching a meal ticket of a ship sinking ever so slowly.
scoozna
5/17/11 5:30:54PM
I hate the time slot.
And as much as I've railed against the shenanigans of previous seasons, I could use a little more drama. I don't wanna see spooge in people's salads and "upper deckers" but I'm sure they could add a little spice to the show.
pmoney
5/17/11 5:53:58PM
I knew that this season would blow without the elimination round. The fights are the only reason I watch anymore. The first TUF was groundbreaking. Look at the names on there.... Nate Quarry. Diego Sanchez. Stephan Bonnar. Forrest Griffin. Kos. Kenny Florian. Joe Lauzon. Chris Leben. Mike Swick.

All of them are still fighting in the UFC. One former champion and multiple contenders in that list. And the plot was compelling. We really got to take a look at these fighters lives, as individuals and as they were in the house. We got to see what they were training for, working towards. It was great TV, and everyone fought their heart out.

After season 4, it's all been downhill, in my opinion. No more good storylines. Not many great fights or fighters being produced. Sure, there are your exceptions. I liked the 10th season. I think Amir Sadollah has been a good TUF winner. But beyond that, the quality is lacking.

I saw another suggestion from a poster that described an idea for a show kind of like TapouT (remember that show? lol). That might be compelling. And when the Strikeforce contracts are up, and Zuffa is free to do what they want with the brand, perhaps they can restructure their whole operation. Maybe they will have weekly Fight Nights or something of that nature. I'd be pleased! Then we wouldn't have to deal with these poorly contrived shows to get one weak ten minute fight.

The magic is officially gone. Their only hope is to make next season Bantamweights and/or Featherweights. And even then, a new weight class might not save the show from it's own stale, formulaic ways.
FastKnockout
5/17/11 6:28:08PM

Posted by pmoney

I knew that this season would blow without the elimination round. The fights are the only reason I watch anymore. The first TUF was groundbreaking. Look at the names on there.... Nate Quarry. Diego Sanchez. Stephan Bonnar. Forrest Griffin. Kos. Kenny Florian. Joe Lauzon. Chris Leben. Mike Swick.

All of them are still fighting in the UFC. One former champion and multiple contenders in that list. And the plot was compelling. We really got to take a look at these fighters lives, as individuals and as they were in the house. We got to see what they were training for, working towards. It was great TV, and everyone fought their heart out.

After season 4, it's all been downhill, in my opinion. No more good storylines. Not many great fights or fighters being produced. Sure, there are your exceptions. I liked the 10th season. I think Amir Sadollah has been a good TUF winner. But beyond that, the quality is lacking.

I saw another suggestion from a poster that described an idea for a show kind of like TapouT (remember that show? lol). That might be compelling. And when the Strikeforce contracts are up, and Zuffa is free to do what they want with the brand, perhaps they can restructure their whole operation. Maybe they will have weekly Fight Nights or something of that nature. I'd be pleased! Then we wouldn't have to deal with these poorly contrived shows to get one weak ten minute fight.

The magic is officially gone. Their only hope is to make next season Bantamweights and/or Featherweights. And even then, a new weight class might not save the show from it's own stale, formulaic ways.



Joe Lauzon wasn't on the first season.
pmoney
5/17/11 6:36:34PM

Posted by FastKnockout
Joe Lauzon wasn't on the first season.



Well I'll be dipped! He was on Season 5.... Hayzeus Creesto I was way off! After looking at his record though, I guess he is still a good example of Octagon success. He is 6-3 in the UFC, and in those nine fights he has earned three Submission of the Night and three Fight of the Night honors. Ironically, his 3 UFC losses were the fights he earned FOTN.
legalbuddy
5/17/11 7:03:08PM
I think the biggest problem this season is the fighter’s personalities or lack there of. The last episode completely revolved around Len and his painful to listen to bitching. The only thing that could save this season is giving Len his wish and letting him fight Brock. Something tells me his knee would start bothering him again come fight time.
kopower
5/17/11 7:10:25PM
I agree that there is no build up to watching the fights. There's just no drama anymore. I also can't stand most of the fights. I always get my expectations up thinking that "this" is the season where we'll see outstanding fights. That's never the case. I thought most of these guys were supposed to be up and comers. Most of them have huge holes in their games. It just gets frustrating to watch, but inevitably I tune in every week regardless of my feelings.
machodog76
5/17/11 7:55:20PM
I just DVR it and fast forward through the boring stuff.
Cooler
5/17/11 7:59:29PM
No, its your lack of talent that you consistently put on every show since TUF 6.

There are some exceptions but not many...
postman
5/17/11 8:04:25PM

Posted by machodog76

I just DVR it and fast forward through the boring stuff.



You mean the whole show? Right?
kopower
5/17/11 8:37:14PM

Posted by postman


Posted by machodog76

I just DVR it and fast forward through the boring stuff.



You mean the whole show? Right?



Beat me too it
ncordless
5/17/11 11:53:54PM
There are plenty of good fighters trying out that are not making the show while lesser fighters that they must feel will be better on TV or something make it.


The format is stale, and the only thing to make up for it is better fights. Get guys like Maximo Blanco and introduce them to the casual fan on TUF instead of sticking them on Strikeforce. If even one fighter like Blanco was in that house this season it would make the fights bearable. There are tons more fighters who have come up in the last three years that would have benefitted from the exposure of TUF and actually have a chance to make an impact on their division someday.
machodog76
5/18/11 12:28:13AM

Posted by postman


Posted by machodog76

I just DVR it and fast forward through the boring stuff.



You mean the whole show? Right?

Ha Ha, no I actually like the fights and some of the training stuff is interesting to me. I also get a kick out of the Brockisms. (My favorite so far has been when Brock described lens bad knee as being a possible, "escape goat" you just can't script that kind of stupid) But ya this season is pretty crappy. I still like free fights once a week and it tides me over till Bellator.
CCPRIDE99
5/19/11 2:40:05PM
ill never forget the leben/koscheck stuff. that **** was what kept me so entertained during the whole first season. it was like a soap opera where the characters fought at the end. **** was awesome
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