Dan Hardy responds to Jon Fitch's UFC release

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FastKnockout
2/21/13 10:22:26AM
Lungsofsteel
2/21/13 10:27:47AM
lol....i still dont understand how some of these guys got cut
grappler0000
2/21/13 10:32:49AM
He does have a point. If people are indeed giving him shit, they are focusing their energy in the wrong direction.
Theoutlaw08
2/21/13 10:33:21AM
Everyone does pull the Hardy card when they get cut early and it is bull shit. Its not his decision. Dana White loves the way the kid fights, he brings it, and he has a good style, thats why hes still around. Hes got two wins in a row. IF he loses to Brown he will still have a job.
SmileR
2/21/13 10:48:26AM

Posted by Theoutlaw08

Everyone does pull the Hardy card when they get cut early and it is bull shit. Its not his decision. Dana White loves the way the kid fights, he brings it, and he has a good style, thats why hes still around. Hes got two wins in a row. "WHEN" he loses to Brown he will still have a job.



I agree, Hardy is an exciting fighter. Not top 10 like Fitch but exciting.
Also FIXED:
airkerma
2/21/13 10:58:44AM
Giving Hardy shit isn't the answer, but the 'Hardy Card' still holds merit when considering the why, and it isn't just the being exciting part. It's the biased favoritism the DFC shows toward certain fighters, and that shit has to stop. For every guy who deserves to get cut but doesn't there is one who will get cut but doesn't deserve it. That's the model for a freakshow or traveling circus, not an actual sport. There's too much Dana right now.
SmileR
2/21/13 12:12:56PM

Posted by airkerma

Giving Hardy shit isn't the answer, but the 'Hardy Card' still holds merit when considering the why, and it isn't just the being exciting part. It's the biased favoritism the DFC shows toward certain fighters, and that shit has to stop. For every guy who deserves to get cut but doesn't there is one who will get cut but doesn't deserve it. That's the model for a freakshow or traveling circus, not an actual sport. There's too much Dana right now.



It was Joe Silva who made the cuts. Dana is just the guy dealing with the fall out.
sparky
2/21/13 12:57:01PM
Releasing Jon Fitch is absolute BULLSHIT. Its been over 24 hrs since I seen this announcement originally and I'm still just as pissed off now as I was then.
tcunningham
2/21/13 12:57:35PM
i think with the merging of SF and the rise of bellator, the ufc gets to be extremely choosey with its fighters now. even more than before. hardy was very lucky not to get cut. i think that if he was an american fighter he would have been cut, but the ufc didnt want to lose any UK fans so they kept him on the payroll.
Poor_Franklin
2/21/13 3:14:40PM
Leonard Garcia has lost 4 in a row & 5 of his last 6. the 1 win is a SD to Phan that many think he shouldve lost.
Melvin Guillard is 1-4 in his last 5 also.
I understand why people would bring Hardy up bc of the 4 fights he lost ina row, but many, including myself until yesterday, forget that Hardy has won 2 in a row over solid opposition
Copenhagen
2/21/13 3:19:50PM
Even though Fitch is arguably a top 5 WW, he still doesn't have the PPV drawing power of a barely top 20 Hardy.
Which is what this cut comes down to.
It has nothing to do with rankings/wins/losses, and everything to do with sales.
Dan Hardy puts asses in seats in the US, and he definitely does in the UK. Fitch...not so much.
All rankings/wins/loses aside.
I don't agree with it, but I understand it.



tmas
2/21/13 3:38:31PM
The UFC doesnt need a reason to cut someone, or need to explain why they do it. They run a business you dont see all the shoppers of Walmart getting upset and demanding they keep employees Walmart doesnt like.

Its stupid.
airkerma
2/21/13 4:35:56PM

Posted by tmas

The UFC doesnt need a reason to cut someone, or need to explain why they do it. They run a business you dont see all the shoppers of Walmart getting upset and demanding they keep employees Walmart doesnt like.

Its stupid.



Best way to describe that comparison.


Posted by SmileR


Posted by airkerma

Giving Hardy shit isn't the answer, but the 'Hardy Card' still holds merit when considering the why, and it isn't just the being exciting part. It's the biased favoritism the DFC shows toward certain fighters, and that shit has to stop. For every guy who deserves to get cut but doesn't there is one who will get cut but doesn't deserve it. That's the model for a freakshow or traveling circus, not an actual sport. There's too much Dana right now.



It was Joe Silva who made the cuts. Dana is just the guy dealing with the fall out.


Speaking of poor comparisons, I have one! I'm not sure if you're a Star Wars buff, but when it comes to Dana and Joe I see the situation as "Governor Tarkin. I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought onboard."(1) In other words, I believe that the final decision would lie with Dana. If he said: "oh shit, this is a stupid cut" I doubt Fitch would be cut. I'll admit I don't know the full inner workings of Zuffa, but that's how it looks to me.

source
(1) starwars
Budgellism
2/21/13 4:53:03PM

Posted by airkerma


Posted by tmas

The UFC doesnt need a reason to cut someone, or need to explain why they do it. They run a business you dont see all the shoppers of Walmart getting upset and demanding they keep employees Walmart doesnt like.

Its stupid.



Best way to describe that comparison.



tmas
2/21/13 5:02:07PM
the comparison was meant to be ridiculous to show how ridiculous people are being. point is the UFC doesnt owe us anything if they dont want someone fighting for them so be it.

Does Fitch belong in the UFC talent wise. yes, but it doesnt matter he isnt one of the top guys anymore and the UFC doesnt want him there for now.
postman
2/21/13 7:41:22PM

Posted by tmas

the comparison was meant to be ridiculous to show how ridiculous people are being. point is the UFC doesnt owe us anything if they dont want someone fighting for them so be it.

Does Fitch belong in the UFC talent wise. yes, but it doesnt matter he isnt one of the top guys anymore and the UFC doesnt want him there for now.

They sure owe jon fitch an explination. I wonder how long these fighters are going to continue to sign contracts that allow them to be cut so easily.
SmileR
2/21/13 8:38:50PM

Posted by airkerma


Posted by tmas

The UFC doesnt need a reason to cut someone, or need to explain why they do it. They run a business you dont see all the shoppers of Walmart getting upset and demanding they keep employees Walmart doesnt like.

Its stupid.



Best way to describe that comparison.


Posted by SmileR


Posted by airkerma

Giving Hardy shit isn't the answer, but the 'Hardy Card' still holds merit when considering the why, and it isn't just the being exciting part. It's the biased favoritism the DFC shows toward certain fighters, and that shit has to stop. For every guy who deserves to get cut but doesn't there is one who will get cut but doesn't deserve it. That's the model for a freakshow or traveling circus, not an actual sport. There's too much Dana right now.



It was Joe Silva who made the cuts. Dana is just the guy dealing with the fall out.


Speaking of poor comparisons, I have one! I'm not sure if you're a Star Wars buff, but when it comes to Dana and Joe I see the situation as "Governor Tarkin. I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought onboard."(1) In other words, I believe that the final decision would lie with Dana. If he said: "oh shit, this is a stupid cut" I doubt Fitch would be cut. I'll admit I don't know the full inner workings of Zuffa, but that's how it looks to me.

source
(1) starwars



I would prop the shit out of you if I could right now! That just hit the nail on the head an brought in star wars! If you'd of squeezed in an Indiana Jones reference id of blown my load!
SmileR
2/21/13 8:56:21PM

Posted by tmas

the comparison was meant to be ridiculous to show how ridiculous people are being. point is the UFC doesnt owe us anything if they dont want someone fighting for them so be it.

Does Fitch belong in the UFC talent wise. yes, but it doesnt matter he isnt one of the top guys anymore and the UFC doesnt want him there for now.



If you can name one other sport that would drop a top 10 guy because they "don't want him there now" I'll except your point. Until then this is a bad cut and people have the right to be pissed!

I've just watched Dana try to explain this cut on mmafighting and his reasoning contradicts itself constantly.
What the UFC has done is basically said to every aspiring fighter, 7 years and a stellar isn't enough to earn our loyalty, if you're great but never hold a title you're expendable and we will get rid of you. They have shown they are more concerned with entertainment that being recognised as a sport, and thats fine.
But you can't make a WWE style cut and then say sport after. This is an entertainment cut and no amount of swearing or back peddling will change that.

This is posted over on mmafighting and it sums this up perfectly


"Right now it’s those in the “entertainment” corner vs. “sport” corner. Fans are in either camp. This is a large crossroads for the UFC and their credibility.

This thing blew up for one reason. Fitch. Dana can’t talk “sport” and then justify this cut. EVER!!"

Poor_Franklin
2/21/13 9:10:28PM

Posted by SmileR


What the UFC has done is basically said to every aspiring fighter, 7 years and a stellar isn't enough to earn our loyalty, if you're great but never hold a title you're expendable and we will get rid of you.



GSTL
SmileR
2/21/13 9:40:52PM

Posted by Poor_Franklin


Posted by SmileR


What the UFC has done is basically said to every aspiring fighter, 7 years and a stellar isn't enough to earn our loyalty, if you're great but never hold a title you're expendable and we will get rid of you.



GSTL



What GSTL mean?
FlashyG
2/21/13 10:41:45PM

Posted by SmileR


Posted by Poor_Franklin


Posted by SmileR


What the UFC has done is basically said to every aspiring fighter, 7 years and a stellar isn't enough to earn our loyalty, if you're great but never hold a title you're expendable and we will get rid of you.



GSTL



What GSTL mean?



Gotta Spread the Love
tmas
2/21/13 11:12:45PM

Posted by SmileR


Posted by tmas

the comparison was meant to be ridiculous to show how ridiculous people are being. point is the UFC doesnt owe us anything if they dont want someone fighting for them so be it.

Does Fitch belong in the UFC talent wise. yes, but it doesnt matter he isnt one of the top guys anymore and the UFC doesnt want him there for now.



If you can name one other sport that would drop a top 10 guy because they "don't want him there now" I'll except your point. Until then this is a bad cut and people have the right to be pissed!

I've just watched Dana try to explain this cut on mmafighting and his reasoning contradicts itself constantly.
What the UFC has done is basically said to every aspiring fighter, 7 years and a stellar isn't enough to earn our loyalty, if you're great but never hold a title you're expendable and we will get rid of you. They have shown they are more concerned with entertainment that being recognised as a sport, and thats fine.
But you can't make a WWE style cut and then say sport after. This is an entertainment cut and no amount of swearing or back peddling will change that.

This is posted over on mmafighting and it sums this up perfectly


"Right now it’s those in the “entertainment” corner vs. “sport” corner. Fans are in either camp. This is a large crossroads for the UFC and their credibility.

This thing blew up for one reason. Fitch. Dana can’t talk “sport” and then justify this cut. EVER!!"





im not disagreeing thatthe cut sucks , im just saying stop complaining its pointless. Would i have cut fitch no, but this isnt the first time the UFC has cut Fitch.

and yes sports trade, top players all the time its the same thing more or less. guys like CP3 get traded because their org/promo/team doesnt want them there for whatever reason.
Bubbles
2/23/13 12:20:34AM

Posted by tmas

im not disagreeing thatthe cut sucks , im just saying stop complaining its pointless. Would i have cut fitch no, but this isnt the first time the UFC has cut Fitch.

and yes sports trade, top players all the time its the same thing more or less. guys like CP3 get traded because their org/promo/team doesnt want them there for whatever reason.


another stupid comparison. Chris Paul is still playing in the elite promotion called the NBA. Jon Fitch is no longer fighting in the elite promotion called the UFC. Paul was traded because he wasn't going to resign with the Hornets so they got some value back for him. What value is the UFC getting in return for releasing Fitch?
steveishere
2/23/13 3:52:53PM

Posted by Bubbles
What value is the UFC getting in return for releasing Fitch?



Not having to pay a guy who doesn't really draw fans to ppv 60k to lose big fights seems like it may have some value. I have always liked Fitch enough but he does seem like he's been a bit of a malcontent and difficult guy to work with for the UFC, perhaps that had something to do with it. Be enough of a pain in the ass and keep losing fights and you can't really be surprised to find yourself on the street.
airkerma
2/23/13 4:49:39PM

Posted by steveishere


Posted by Bubbles
What value is the UFC getting in return for releasing Fitch?



Not having to pay a guy who doesn't really draw fans to ppv 60k to lose big fights seems like it may have some value. I have always liked Fitch enough but he does seem like he's been a bit of a malcontent and difficult guy to work with for the UFC, perhaps that had something to do with it. Be enough of a pain in the ass and keep losing fights and you can't really be surprised to find yourself on the street.


It worked for Tito and Rampage. I think they cost a bit more as well.
PhilBrito
2/24/13 1:32:17AM
Well I don't think anybody has any animosity towards Hardy, they're just using examples. Nothing against Hardy.
prophecy033
2/24/13 3:12:20PM
Gotta love the honesty. Funny comment
jay98107
2/25/13 3:35:46AM

Posted by Theoutlaw08

Everyone does pull the Hardy card when they get cut early and it is bull shit. Its not his decision. Dana White loves the way the kid fights, he brings it, and he has a good style, thats why hes still around. Hes got two wins in a row. IF he loses to Brown he will still have a job.



Not to mention some of those losses on his streak were against seriously high level competition. Nothing wrong with losing to GSP or Condit. Johnson and Lytle aren't too shabby either.
JoeWarren33
3/3/13 1:44:01PM
Dan Hardy is entertaining at least.
Where was the release on Damian Maia when he had 6 straight decisions? Great fighter, but boring to watch. Ill take entertaining over boring ANY day!!
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