Couture over Fedor?

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JuggaloWarrior878
8/26/07 10:17:30PM
just went to sherdog and they have a poll up of whowould win if couture and fedor fought and 70 percent of people picked couture. War Couture
Cladrix
8/26/07 10:24:43PM
He might have a chance but he has to train like 3 times harder and work on his stand up because Fedor has some sick takedown defense.
three_days_of_grey
8/26/07 10:27:59PM
70%? Sherdog should poll that 70% and see how many have actually seen Fedor fight. Now I'm not suggesting that Couture doesn't have a chance, but 70-30 is too high a variance.

-OUT-
juanez13
8/26/07 10:45:03PM
i dont see how couture can take this one, i think the poll is just because randy won yesterday, and there is alot of hype sorrounding it, so people are just excited and pick him, but i think fedors takedown defence, and sambo will be good enough to deal with the ground, fedor has an amazing ability to reverse takedowns, and he will throw randy everywhere, sort of like when matt lindland tried to take him down, or when Naoya Ogawa (tall japan guy, always wears grey shorst, and never shakes hands lol) he reversed the takedowns, and his stand up is to explosive for randy i think, i dont think randy can handle when fedor goes nust like he did with gary goodgridge, and with gonzaga was different, i picked randy to win by Dec, cus i tought randy would wear him off, but i dont see how randy can out work fedor........my 2 cents..
cmill21
8/26/07 10:53:21PM
New bandwagon has started. Not that randy doesn't deserve it but 70%? that fight IMO is 60/40 fedor if not higher. He's beat the best striker, best submission man and some of the better grapplers.
postman
8/26/07 10:58:18PM
I have not seen many Fedor fights the ones I have seen have been so quick It's hard to gauge the guy. I know he is sick all around you can see that but I haven't seen him in the clinch with the cage. How do you feel he would do in that position? I know he cuts pretty easy and Randy is so good landing shots in the clinch is this where we would see Randy trying to take the fight?
Twenty20Dollars
8/26/07 10:58:26PM
i'd take randy. just because i hate all this hype of fedor being unbeatable and stuff. I mean i wanted to see Gonzaga win the title, but i cant change that. Randy maybe by decision or something.
juanez13
8/26/07 11:38:08PM

Posted by postman

I have not seen many Fedor fights the ones I have seen have been so quick It's hard to gauge the guy. I know he is sick all around you can see that but I haven't seen him in the clinch with the cage. How do you feel he would do in that position? I know he cuts pretty easy and Randy is so good landing shots in the clinch is this where we would see Randy trying to take the fight?



he does very good in the clinch, thats when his world class sambo comes into play, he is very good getting takedowns from the clinch, or what he does to is he explodes of the clich and throws alot of heavy leather on his was out...
jomatty
8/27/07 8:41:43AM
this is such a bad match up for randy. i would love to see him pull it off but im pretty sure that s-doggers have it 70-30 in the wrong direction.
LR
8/27/07 9:44:03AM
You want to see a very good example of how Fedor would manhandle Randy Couture.

Fedor vs. Mark Coleman

Go watch both of those fights. Coleman literally throws Fedor down the first fight, then when he tries to do it again, Fedor reverses. They get back up, Coleman takes him down again, and Coleman puts his arm on the mat for 1 second, and Fedor buries him with an armbar transition from another damn world. It's ridiculous.

Second fight, Fedor basically outbalances Coleman's takedown attempts and makes Coleman look like a little kid nagging his mother's leg. Coleman couldn't hit him, couldn't take him down. It was embarrassing to a wrestler of Coleman's stature to be unable to do anything against Fedor.

Coleman's striking isn't as good as Randy's, but he has a better wrestling game by far. And Coleman is ridiculously strong, almost a Lesnar look-alike in build.
EddieBowers
8/27/07 11:19:45AM
Ok I have never seen Fedor fight, but just looking at his website.. he looks like a beast. Everybody has their day though, I think it would be a great fight to watch. Personaly I would pick Randy only becasue as of right now I know him better. Anybody have some good fight of Fedors that they would suggest I look up and watch?
LR
8/27/07 11:30:13AM
Fedor against a pure striker:
Fedor vs. Crocop
Fedor vs. Herring (horrendous beatdown)

Fedor in recovery mode:
Fedor vs. Fujita
Fedor vs. Randleman

Fedor using superior Sambo:
Nearly every fight mainly:
Fedor vs. Coleman 1 & 2 (Amazing submission transitions)
Fedor vs. Randleman (Great reversal after huge suplex)
Fedor vs. Hunt (turned a near submission into kimura win)

Fedor ground and pound clinics:
Fedor vs. Big Nog (Be afraid)
nate22
8/27/07 11:33:48AM

Posted by EddieBowers

Ok I have never seen Fedor fight, but just looking at his website.. he looks like a beast. Everybody has their day though, I think it would be a great fight to watch. Personaly I would pick Randy only becasue as of right now I know him better. Anybody have some good fight of Fedors that they would suggest I look up and watch?



Check out our video selection for some Fedor fights mate.
Stickan
8/27/07 11:42:19AM

Posted by cmill21

New bandwagon has started. Not that randy doesn't deserve it but 70%? that fight IMO is 60/40 fedor if not higher. He's beat the best striker, best submission man and some of the better grapplers.



Funny you say 60/40 Fedor because that's what that same poll said when I saw it last night. It must've made a drastic change.I was actually quite surprised so many people thought Randy would win.
I agree with you about 60/40 or 65/35 Fedor. That sounds very reasonable.


btw here is a different poll on the same subject.
mrsmiley
8/27/07 11:48:41AM
I would put Fedor over Couture without a doubt.My opinion might sway if Couture was able to take out big Nog.I doubt he can even do that though.
nubby
8/27/07 12:51:13PM

Posted by mrsmiley

I would put Fedor over Couture without a doubt.My opinion might sway if Couture was able to take out big Nog.I doubt he can even do that though.



LOL Yes please doubt couture, it only makes him stronger.
LR
8/27/07 1:02:18PM
I don't doubt Couture's ability to take out BJJ fighters at all. I think he can dominate them. But Fedor.. I don't think he'd make it out of the first round, but that's my opinion.
nubby
8/27/07 2:45:51PM

Posted by LR

I don't doubt Couture's ability to take out BJJ fighters at all. I think he can dominate them. But Fedor.. I don't think he'd make it out of the first round, but that's my opinion.



Can you name someone that's as good in the clinch as Randy that Fedor has gone up against? Please don't even bring up Lindland, it's not even a valid argument.
LR
8/27/07 3:15:21PM
In the clinch in previous Fedor fights, I thought at times, Big Nog was pretty damn good in the clinch. He was able to protect himself unlike other opponents. That's as close as it gets, and yes, Randy is one of the best in the clinch. I just don't see Randy using that abilitly to manhandle someone with as good of balance as Fedor. Even if he throws him down from it, or tries to reign elbows or punches on him from the clinch, Fedor has great standup and escape techniques, as well as you can't underestimate his takedowns from the clinch either.
zephead
8/27/07 3:36:35PM

Posted by LR

You want to see a very good example of how Fedor would manhandle Randy Couture.

Fedor vs. Mark Coleman

Go watch both of those fights. Coleman literally throws Fedor down the first fight, then when he tries to do it again, Fedor reverses. They get back up, Coleman takes him down again, and Coleman puts his arm on the mat for 1 second, and Fedor buries him with an armbar transition from another damn world. It's ridiculous.

Second fight, Fedor basically outbalances Coleman's takedown attempts and makes Coleman look like a little kid nagging his mother's leg. Coleman couldn't hit him, couldn't take him down. It was embarrassing to a wrestler of Coleman's stature to be unable to do anything against Fedor.

Coleman's striking isn't as good as Randy's, but he has a better wrestling game by far. And Coleman is ridiculously strong, almost a Lesnar look-alike in build.




I agree with alot of what you said, but the big difference that I see between Randy and Mark is, Coleman rely's on brute strength to get his opponet down and beat them. The Coleman you see today is the same Coleman from 10 years ago. He hasn't changed except for getting older.

While Randy gameplans for every opponet. Did you think that Randy would be able to handle GG the way he did??? Do you GG even thought that Randy was gonna use the clinch game and short strikes to beat him?? Randy is so great and game planning.

Randy is going to fight each fight differently while Coleman is the same ole, same ole.
Stickan
8/27/07 3:49:32PM

Posted by zephead


Posted by LR

You want to see a very good example of how Fedor would manhandle Randy Couture.

Fedor vs. Mark Coleman

Go watch both of those fights. Coleman literally throws Fedor down the first fight, then when he tries to do it again, Fedor reverses. They get back up, Coleman takes him down again, and Coleman puts his arm on the mat for 1 second, and Fedor buries him with an armbar transition from another damn world. It's ridiculous.

Second fight, Fedor basically outbalances Coleman's takedown attempts and makes Coleman look like a little kid nagging his mother's leg. Coleman couldn't hit him, couldn't take him down. It was embarrassing to a wrestler of Coleman's stature to be unable to do anything against Fedor.

Coleman's striking isn't as good as Randy's, but he has a better wrestling game by far. And Coleman is ridiculously strong, almost a Lesnar look-alike in build.




I agree with alot of what you said, but the big difference that I see between Randy and Mark is, Coleman rely's on brute strength to get his opponet down and beat them. The Coleman you see today is the same Coleman from 10 years ago. He hasn't changed except for getting older.

While Randy gameplans for every opponet. Did you think that Randy would be able to handle GG the way he did??? Do you GG even thought that Randy was gonna use the clinch game and short strikes to beat him?? Randy is so great and game planning.

Randy is going to fight each fight differently while Coleman is the same ole, same ole.


Exactly. Randy and Coleman are two hugely different fighters to me. Randy has tons of cardio, Coleman has none.
Coleman works for double-leg takedowns, Randy takes down people from the clinch.
Randy has good head movement and dirty boxing, Coleman´s only movement is shooting for double-legs.

They're both old though even though it feels very strange calling Randy old.
LR
8/27/07 4:06:15PM
I will agree with those statements. Nonetheless, I think if you take down Fedor and try to work from the guard, he's going to catch you in a submission, no doubt.
nubby
8/27/07 4:40:19PM
That may be true in Pride but that isn't the case in the UFC, and my main reasoning for that is elbows. People underestimate the huge difference in how a person fights when he's getting hit with elbows in the face. If Randy gets Fedor on the ground and start's elbowing him in the face, he will no doubt cover up and attempt to stop getting hit before he starts going for submissions. The cage is a different kind of animal then the ring and CC is a perfect example of this. And until Fedor gets in there and feels what it is to go through that, he will be at a big disadvantage, especially with Randy.
The_Grim_Reaper
8/27/07 8:01:40PM
well........if Randy got Fedor to the ground and started dropping elbows im sure Fedor would come up with a slick submission like he did with Mark Coleman ..that armbar was from guard.....Fedor sambo champion which makes it alot harder for you to keep him on the ground also...Fedor's trainers and coaches have said that he has probaly only shown 50% of his abilities which is scary....
fullfighting
8/27/07 8:41:12PM
Randy is the man, but Fedor is just too good. Fedor wins
sakurabaforever
8/28/07 1:45:00AM
Fedor is the favorite. Randy hasn't fought a top 10 in years. If Randy beats Big Nog or CC I will give him his dues. Fedor will still be the favorite.

And what is it with all these people thinking Fedor will be more limited in the cage? He will have MORE WEAPONS! His elbows. Image Fedor gnp with elbows. Superior destruction.
Piccosaur
8/28/07 5:38:59PM

Posted by cmill21

New bandwagon has started. Not that randy doesn't deserve it but 70%? that fight IMO is 60/40 fedor if not higher. He's beat the best striker, best submission man and some of the better grapplers.



Because Couture has beat a bunch of nobodies.


Couture by KO in the 5th round.
Josh3239
8/29/07 12:15:23AM
Are you actually suggesting that if that fight happend, Randy would get his first KO win ever against the #1 HW who has never been KO'd nonetheless been beaten?
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