Which coach's fighters will do better on TUF 8?

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POLL: Which team's fighters will have more success?
Team Mir 58% (23)
Team Noguiera 25% (10)
Team Don King 18% (7)
Jackelope
9/19/08 2:38:13AM
I think we may see the best coaching yet on TUF this season.

Mir's Octagon savvy is among the top in the game IMO. For those of you that are WEC fans we've seen his "Crystal Ball" work night after night. Combine that with the display he already put on helping Jason Guida trying to cut weight and I think you've got the makings for a great coach.

Then again, you've got Noguiera on the other side of the cage. His skills and heart alone are the stuff of legend. Not to mention the training partners he's going to bring in to help teach the guys- Anderson Silva, Lil' Nog, etc.

So, who's fighters will fare better once the teams are selected?
CantAndleDaRiddum
9/19/08 2:44:53AM
don king!
meant to pick nog
he's a legend & he's rumored to be bringin in lil nog, anderson & machida.....thats nuts!
seanfu
9/19/08 3:25:44AM
Nogueiras coaching level is much higher than Mir but it could just end up like another Pulver Penn. Best guess BigNog.
haggiswashere
9/19/08 4:25:58AM
Mir's would. He has a ton of guys not from his own camp coming. Alot of guys are too proud to do that. he has Mark Delegrotte the famous muay thai coach and Rafael Alejarra who is wanderlei silva's conditioning coach (the one who does the snorkel training) and he has Robert Drysdale who is a coach at Xtreme Couture and is a BJJ specialist and alot others. Nog has celebrities comin.
Ordep
9/19/08 9:20:14AM
for the last three seasons I always thought that the "favorite fighter" team (i.e. Penn, Hughes,Jackson) would do better but I was proven wrong, that's why I say Team Mir.
copcopps
9/19/08 9:34:29AM
Go Team Ruedigar!
InSearchofSunrise
9/19/08 9:58:53AM
No one can give an honest answer to this until they see the teams picked. I dont care how good of a coach you are, if you pick a bad team they will suck.
Jackelope
9/19/08 10:11:56AM

Posted by InSearchofSunrise

No one can give an honest answer to this until they see the teams picked. I dont care how good of a coach you are, if you pick a bad team they will suck.



Based on TUF's of the past I highly disagree with this. Except in the terms of who ends up winning the tournament. (sometimes a fighter is just that much more skilled than another)

It's people like this who refuse to listen to their corner and lose fights because of it
cmb19932
9/19/08 10:14:55AM
it might be an afterthought but for me at least i can understand mir
Aaronno9
9/19/08 10:17:28AM
Nogs got a strong team, but they're fighters not coaches. I know they still have alot of knowledge to pass on, but i think mir has made a better choice bringing in more actual coaches. I think Mir will really beable to motive his guys and be a better cornerman to. Pitty none of that will matter when Nog beats him come the end of the season.
Tein_Lung
9/19/08 3:33:30PM

Posted by Aaronno9

Nogs got a strong team, but they're fighters not coaches. I know they still have alot of knowledge to pass on, but i think mir has made a better choice bringing in more actual coaches. I think Mir will really beable to motive his guys and be a better cornerman to. Pitty none of that will matter when Nog beats him come the end of the season.

actually both of these Coaches are trainers in their gyms...
Aether
9/19/08 3:38:42PM
You can be the best coach in the world, if you have someone like andy wang on your team who refuses to listen to your advice, it doesn't matter.

No way to say who will have the better teams until we know which fighters are on which team and see them training/fighting. The coaches need to be able to provide good instruction, but more importantly, the students need to be willing to learn and have the talent to pick it up.

So I voted don king.
Solidus
9/19/08 3:58:55PM

Posted by cmb19932

it might be an afterthought but for me at least i can understand mir



I thought Noguiera's english was almost perfect, good enough that I dont see why they needed the subtitles.

Back to the topic, I agree that its up to how good the fighters are on each team. However, morale plays a role too. It always seems like once a team starts losing a few its all downhill from there.

Mir seems more enthusiastic to be there, so If I had to pick right now Id pick Mir's team based on that.
mrkennedy
9/19/08 4:17:52PM
both will do great
pv3Hpv3p
9/19/08 6:19:50PM

Posted by cmb19932

it might be an afterthought but for me at least i can understand mir



I love posts like this... Just brimming with intelligence and really adding to the discussion... Very well put

I would have to lean towards Nog... Maybe because he's one of my fav's... But I heard Mir was bringing in Drysdale (who's a ****** ninja) and it seems like Frank's a really amiable guy, easy to get along with, etc which in some cases can hurt a coach, but in this case I think it'll be a good thing...

With all that said and done, I'll have to agree with Mr. Kennedy... I think they'll both do well
jiujitsufreak74
9/19/08 6:22:48PM
just because you are a good fighter does not mean you are a good teacher. keep that thought in mind when you say Nog will bring in Anderson and Machida. i agree with Jackelope's thoughts on Mir and i really like the way he breaks down fights and commentates. i think Mir will be the better coach as i think he will be able to instill more applicable lessons for the fighters he acquires than Nog will imo.
breakdown5
9/20/08 12:36:27AM
If the rumors are true about the assistant coaches being brought in, I think Team Nog will have the more well rounded coaching squad. Mir is bringing in Drysdale ( a JJ wizard) and Rafael Alejarra for strength and conditioning. And I guess Dellagrotte as was stated before for Muay Thai.

Nog already coaches his own squad of fighters and is a very well rounded fighter himself. Combine that with Machida, Lil' Nog, and Silva as asst. coaches, and that is one killer team.

But it really does come down to how the teams end up. If Nog ends up with a team full people who would rather party than practice, his team won't do well at all. But then again, that has nothing to do with how good Nog is as a coach.
StorminYourman
9/20/08 5:11:41AM
I think Nog's team gets Dana White's next Anderson Silva therefore Nog,s team should do better
smcdonald
9/20/08 8:21:05AM
yep i think nog's cos he trains the real anderson silva, so he is gonna raise up some little anderson silva clones on his team lol
jiujitsufreak74
9/20/08 10:54:24AM

Posted by breakdown5

If the rumors are true about the assistant coaches being brought in, I think Team Nog will have the more well rounded coaching squad. Mir is bringing in Drysdale ( a JJ wizard) and Rafael Alejarra for strength and conditioning. And I guess Dellagrotte as was stated before for Muay Thai.

Nog already coaches his own squad of fighters and is a very well rounded fighter himself. Combine that with Machida, Lil' Nog, and Silva as asst. coaches, and that is one killer team.

But it really does come down to how the teams end up. If Nog ends up with a team full people who would rather party than practice, his team won't do well at all. But then again, that has nothing to do with how good Nog is as a coach.



yes, but think about this. would you rather train with Greg Jackson or GSP? just because you are a good fighter does not mean you will be a good teacher. just because Nog has an allstar supporting cast doesn't mean he will have the better coaches.
Jackelope
9/20/08 11:05:56AM

Posted by jiujitsufreak74


Posted by breakdown5

If the rumors are true about the assistant coaches being brought in, I think Team Nog will have the more well rounded coaching squad. Mir is bringing in Drysdale ( a JJ wizard) and Rafael Alejarra for strength and conditioning. And I guess Dellagrotte as was stated before for Muay Thai.

Nog already coaches his own squad of fighters and is a very well rounded fighter himself. Combine that with Machida, Lil' Nog, and Silva as asst. coaches, and that is one killer team.

But it really does come down to how the teams end up. If Nog ends up with a team full people who would rather party than practice, his team won't do well at all. But then again, that has nothing to do with how good Nog is as a coach.



yes, but think about this. would you rather train with Greg Jackson or GSP? just because you are a good fighter does not mean you will be a good teacher. just because Nog has an allstar supporting cast doesn't mean he will have the better coaches.



Agreed- both Drysdale and Delagrotte are renowned for their coaching ability. I also believe Frank Mir will make a great coach and even more importantly I believe he will make a great cornerman.

That's not to take anything away from Big Nog, though. I think Big Nog will be a phenomenal coach. However, I don't think people are realizing that it's not Big Nog who has trained A. Silva and Lyoto Machida to be the fighters they are. He's certainly played a hand, but both of those guys were with other camps long before they were with Black House. As for Big Nog's ability to be a cornerman? I don't think it will be as good as Mir's.
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