Chuck says YES to CC and Fedor but NO to Silva

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ronco_loid
3/14/07 6:09:47PM
I think that Chuck and Cro Cop would be a great fight. I could see it going either way.
Trapt1nw0nder
3/14/07 9:30:07PM

Posted by Mayo


Posted by mkiv9secsupra

let me ask this... what weaknesses does chuck have?



I'm a huge Chuck fan but...

I want to see somebody get Chuck to the ground in the center of the ring... not against the cage where he can use his back against the cage to work himself up to his feet... I'm talking dead center of the ring... then let's see what Chuck can do... if he doesn't get "ground and pounded" for the rest of the round.

Again, I'm a fan of Chuck, but I think that would be his weakness.



thats why chuck is smart enough to keep the fight on the outside,and in case he gets taken down it wont be in the center
mkiv9secsupra
3/15/07 5:45:44AM
everyone keeps comapring liddell and crocop...yes they are both strikers and have great takedown defense but the way they strike are on two different ends of the spectrum. CC is a more text book striker where as liddell throws unexpected stikes from odd angles. chuck is a counter striker. he will take a punch to set up his own as well. CC moves in for a strike and if the opponent gets in too close he simply steps out... so no more saying just because fedor beat CC that automatically means he could beat liddell as well....
Trapt1nw0nder
3/15/07 7:04:52AM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra

everyone keeps comapring liddell and crocop...yes they are both strikers and have great takedown defense but the way they strike are on two different ends of the spectrum. CC is a more text book striker where as liddell throws unexpected stikes from odd angles. chuck is a counter striker. he will take a punch to set up his own as well. CC moves in for a strike and if the opponent gets in too close he simply steps out... so no more saying just because fedor beat CC that automatically means he could beat liddell as well....



thats exactly what i am trying to explain..
kerazzle
3/16/07 1:20:21AM
Wow just wow, I can't believe so many people underestimate Fedor's striking. Calling it "wild" and bullrushing with his head down charging. That is all BS. Fedor has amazing footwork, watch his fight vs Cro Cop. He has amazing reflexes and above all, speed. His speed, power and instant transition to clinc/judo takedowns are what allow him to swing those hooks.
kerazzle
3/16/07 1:31:30AM
QUOTE]thats exactly what i am trying to explain..


Looking at your posts in this particular thread, it seems almost as if you are trolling, you completely outrule the possibility of Fedor winning. Fedor isn't like any other opponent Chuck has faced. You dismiss fedors striking as wild bullrushing with head down and overhand hooks like Babalu but you couldnt be more wrong. His punching is fast powerful and his footwork is great which is why he was able to beaat crocop on the feet. Im sorry but Babalu, Tito, and Couture dont have good striking footwork. Chuck can throw counters all day long, Cro Cop did it but it got him nowhere, Fedor's reflexes are soo fast, which is why Wandy and Aleks couldnt beat him the same way. Im not saying Chuck doesnt have a chance, it's mma and anything could happen but, it wouldnt be as onesided of a chance as u say it is.
mkiv9secsupra
3/16/07 1:38:19AM

Posted by kerazzle

QUOTE]thats exactly what i am trying to explain..



Looking at your posts in this particular thread, it seems almost as if you are trolling, you completely outrule the possibility of Fedor winning. Fedor isn't like any other opponent Chuck has faced. You dismiss fedors striking as wild bullrushing with head down and overhand hooks like Babalu but you couldnt be more wrong. His punching is fast powerful and his footwork is great which is why he was able to beaat crocop on the feet. Im sorry but Babalu, Tito, and Couture dont have good striking footwork. Chuck can throw counters all day long, Cro Cop did it but it got him nowhere, Fedor's reflexes are soo fast, which is why Wandy and Aleks couldnt beat him the same way. Im not saying Chuck doesnt have a chance, it's mma and anything could happen but, it wouldnt be as onesided of a chance as u say it is.



at what point did ANYONE say fedor is fast, powerful, or great at transitioning for the take down?.....never.....it just seems that yes he has a good stand up game but he isnt near as pinpoint accurate as top notch strikers.

and did you not read the post right above that one?! its is right there for you. liddell and CC two completely different strikers......sigh....
kerazzle
3/16/07 1:42:20AM
so what? he's beaten all of these pinpoint accurate strikers. Semmy Schilt, CroCop, Mark Hunt. I dont know exactly what you are arguing about. I said he is fast powerful and good at transitions and u say Noone has said that...
kerazzle
3/16/07 1:43:38AM
and yea cro cop and liddell are different, Cro Cop is better.
mkiv9secsupra
3/16/07 1:48:29AM

Posted by kerazzle

so what? he's beaten all of these pinpoint accurate strikers. Semmy Schilt, CroCop, Mark Hunt. I dont know exactly what you are arguing about. I said he is fast powerful and good at transitions and u say Noone has said that...



no no no noone at all has denied that fedor is the best. he is fast and powerful. fedor hasnt fought a fighter like liddell and vice versa. Liddell and CC both strike but two completely different styles. all mark hunt is, is cabbage to another level. just takes punch after punch and keeps coming. but his actual stirking isnt near CCs or liddells or fedors so count him out.
mkiv9secsupra
3/16/07 1:49:52AM

Posted by kerazzle

and yea cro cop and liddell are different, Cro Cop is better.



well your record doesnt seem to prove you know what youre talking about...
kerazzle
3/16/07 1:52:25AM
what does my record have to do with anything? I joined just a couple months ago, you dont have to bring that in. And to call mark Hunt a version of Cabbage is just garbage. I seriously doubt Cabbage could win a K1 Championship or beat crocop in an mma fight.
mkiv9secsupra
3/16/07 1:55:34AM

Posted by kerazzle

what does my record have to do with anything? I joined just a couple months ago, you dont have to bring that in. And to call mark Hunt a version of Cabbage is just garbage. I seriously doubt Cabbage could win a K1 Championship or beat crocop in an mma fight.




again i JUST said he is like cabbage but to another level: MEANING HE IS BETTER THAN CABBAGE! everyone know hunt is better than cabbage just not that much better.
kerazzle
3/16/07 2:03:22AM
still, I dont think comparing him to cabbage is fair (cabbage is is reallly low on the food chain), yea he can take alot of punishment, but he has good hands and kicks and his ground game seems to be improving.
MethodMan
3/16/07 9:30:43AM
I remember seeing one fight were Fedor was bounced on his head the guy stood up like it was nothing, I am sure he could take Liddells punches all night long. Liddell could beat Fedor in a boxing match but not in a MMA fight. Remeber the first Sakuraba vs Jackson fight Jackson said he would bring his chain in with him. If Liddell stept in with Fedor he would need a chain, bat and a couple of UFC security guys to hold fedor down then hit him repeatedly with everything he has got, that is the only way Chuck could knock that beast out.
Trapt1nw0nder
3/16/07 9:51:15AM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra


Posted by kerazzle

and yea cro cop and liddell are different, Cro Cop is better.



well your record doesnt seem to prove you know what youre talking about...



let the doubters think whatever they want....they obviously dont know anything about styles and match-ups

these are prolly the same people that think that Wandy can beat Chuck cuz Wandy beat Rampage..

1-2..
tomp6581
3/16/07 11:26:12AM
No, not at all. I fully accept what you are saying........I really do....but surely fighting Wandy it is completely different. Both love to stay standing, Wandy likes to push the action, Chuck (as you say) prefers to counter punch.....so then it boils down to who is the more accurate striker...........answer? Chuck.

But with Fedor, Chuck's main worry would surely be being able to keep the fight on the feet.....If it went on the ground, forget it......and I would bet that Fedor has a good enough chin to take enough of chucks punches to get close, take him down, keep him here and ground and pound him!

But I suppose no-one knows until it happens, and if it does, Ill be sending you a wager...........
Mayo
3/16/07 12:56:42PM
Fedor would never bother taking Chuck to the ground because everybody wants to be the first person to TKO Chuck.
loller90278
3/16/07 3:06:06PM

Posted by Mayo

Fedor would never bother taking Chuck to the ground because everybody wants to be the first person to TKO Chuck.



yeah because rampage, couture, and horn havn't tko'd chuck already.

chentay2112
3/16/07 5:07:04PM
i think chuck would
KO silva i just think he's too good for wandi
and i would love to see CC v LIDDELL caus one of them's going to sleep...
CC might have the more technical strikes but CHUCK can bang with anyone
FEDOR would be too strong for chuck too handle but he always has a punchers chance
the UFC need to make one of those happen sooner rather than later
Mayo
3/16/07 6:23:12PM

Posted by loller90278


Posted by Mayo

Fedor would never bother taking Chuck to the ground because everybody wants to be the first person to TKO Chuck.



yeah because rampage, couture, and horn havn't tko'd chuck already.



Whatever you want to call the term for punching Chuck and him going unconcious... that's what I was trying to say.
kerazzle
3/16/07 8:41:46PM

Posted by Trapt1nw0nder


Posted by mkiv9secsupra


Posted by kerazzle

and yea cro cop and liddell are different, Cro Cop is better.



well your record doesnt seem to prove you know what youre talking about...



let the doubters think whatever they want....they obviously dont know anything about styles and match-ups

these are prolly the same people that think that Wandy can beat Chuck cuz Wandy beat Rampage..

1-2..


I think Fedor is stylistically a bad matchup for Chuck for obvious reasons such as his strength controlled agression, footwork, standup and takedowns. thats my opinion. And I dont use mmath to see guess who wins. It leads nowhere, by that logic Chuck>Vitor>Wandy so it works both ways. Im not a doubter, Chuck always has the chance to knock his opponent out I just dont think its so simple against Fedor.
Trapt1nw0nder
3/17/07 12:42:33AM

Posted by kerazzle


Posted by Trapt1nw0nder


Posted by mkiv9secsupra


Posted by kerazzle

and yea cro cop and liddell are different, Cro Cop is better.



well your record doesnt seem to prove you know what youre talking about...



let the doubters think whatever they want....they obviously dont know anything about styles and match-ups

these are prolly the same people that think that Wandy can beat Chuck cuz Wandy beat Rampage..

1-2..


dear god this place is worse than Sherdog because it has an idiot like you. I think Fedor is stylistically a bad matchup for Chuck for obvious reasons such as his strength controlled agression, footwork, standup and takedowns. thats my opinion. And I dont use mmath to see guess who wins jackass. It leads nowhere, by that logic Chuck>Vitor>Wandy so it works both ways. Im not a doubter, Chuck always has the chance to knock his opponent out I just dont think its so simple against Fedor.



Yeah...soon this place will be worse than sherdog cuz of people like you....no need for name calling buddy!

i am also not saying Fedor dont have a chance,i just think Chuck has a better than 50/50 chance at winning...especially if they fight in the UFC(if it does happen its gonna go down in the UFC)

UFC advantages..

Octagon = no place for Chuck to get trapped in a corner.....

Cage = something to help Chuck up IF he gets taken down

5 min rounds = less time for Fedor to work with incase he takes him down

UFC rules = no kicks or knees to the head to a grounded opponent....again,IF he gets taken down

Fan favorite..

so quite your trolling....you are obviously a Fedor nutthugger since you have an avatar of him........im no Chuck nuthugger at all,he;s not even in my profile's favorites list!.....im just speaking from experience in fight outcomes both in MMA and Boxing......

thats how people were when i was saying Nick Diaz was gonna beat Gomi....what are they saying now?


Posted by Trapt1nw0nder

i was gonna make this thread,but why not just revive an old one?


this is how i see the fight in my head...i see Diaz beating gomi to the punch the whole first round and annoying Gomi with those little combo's he throws and forcing Gomi to take him down and i think Diaz will submit gomi or win a decision


Diaz has fought the tougher opponents and that only makes him stronger


i wonder if Diaz can intimidat gomi with trashtalk and staring him down...




that was my prediction in a Gomi vs Diaz thread 2 weeks before the fight.


i know i know..i am great
ButterBalls
3/17/07 1:47:52AM

Posted by Mv356

This website has so many Pride nuthuggers it's ridiculus



Back to Sherdog with you....


The difference between a "Pride Nuthugger" and a "TUF Noob" is simply this:

Pride nuthuggers have a good overall knowledge of MMA in general and all the fighters.

A TUF Noob thinks Chris Leben is a world class striker and can't wait for Stephan Bonnar to fight again.
kerazzle
3/17/07 1:51:28AM
you obviously have no idea what a troll or nuthugger is, look at your godamn posts throughout this thread, if anything you're the nuthugger, you keep saying Chuck will K.O fedor. I give Chuck a chance in a fight with fedor, ofcourse I do. Just because I respect a fighter and his abilities doesnt make me a nuthugger. You're the one accusing me of being a person w/o any knowledge who uses mmath and this is like the first godamn time ive posted in these forums.
kerazzle
3/17/07 1:53:20AM
and picking diaz over Gomi isnt that big of a deal, Diaz is a great fighter, just down on his luck with all the talent in the UFC WW division.
chentay2112
3/17/07 1:24:05PM
i've gotta agree with Trapt1nw0nder
here i think if it's fought under the UFC rules CHUCK would stand a much better chance than if it was fought under PRIDE rules... that's gotta change FEDOR'S gameplan
he's not got as much time to work the GnP so would he decide stand up is his best chance????
if he does CHUCK has heavy hands and IMO could hurt anybody....
take away the stomps and the head kicks on the ground (IF he got him there) and you have a fight that CHUCK is completely used too...
i'm not saying that FEDOR isen't any good in the cage but he's used to fighting in a ring and having 10 minutes to work in the first round and i know he's got heavy hands too but i think CHUCK would have more of a chance than some people are giving him
mkiv9secsupra
3/17/07 7:54:20PM

Posted by chentay2112

i've gotta agree with Trapt1nw0nder
here i think if it's fought under the UFC rules CHUCK would stand a much better chance than if it was fought under PRIDE rules... that's gotta change FEDOR'S gameplan
he's not got as much time to work the GnP so would he decide stand up is his best chance????
if he does CHUCK has heavy hands and IMO could hurt anybody....
take away the stomps and the head kicks on the ground (IF he got him there) and you have a fight that CHUCK is completely used too...
i'm not saying that FEDOR isen't any good in the cage but he's used to fighting in a ring and having 10 minutes to work in the first round and i know he's got heavy hands too but i think CHUCK would have more of a chance than some people are giving him




exactly put: liddell is a better striker than fedor and fedor is better GnP'er.
MethodMan
3/22/07 6:39:49AM
How about Liddell vs Sakuraba, IMO Sak would have his way with Chuck big time I predict 2nd round by arm bar.
liverkick
3/22/07 11:19:10AM
Tim Sylvia could beat Fedor... Didn't you see his sweet takedown defense and awesome striking ability against Couture?

Seriously though, Chuck doesn't have that much of a chance. Sure he could get that big shot through and knock him out but it's not likely. Fedor has great hands and his takedowns from the clinch are excellent. Chuck sprawl is great but that won't help from the clinch. I'd give it to Fedor by TKO.
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