Changing the Hot Bout

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TheDiazDictionary
11/7/11 12:57:17PM
I really think we need to look at how the Hot Bout is picked. I think the Hot Bout fight should always be a main card fight. It should always be permanent and not changed at the last second. If you look right now the Hot Bout for the Fox card is Matt Lucas vs Aaron Rosa. Seriously? That is a joke of a HB, how is it not Cain vs JDS? I know the mods say its whatever is closet to 50/50, but we really need to change this. some people will spend a good time researching the HB trying to figure out who to pick, but then after the weigh ins more people make their picks and it switches. I really hope people are behind this and the mods can make some changes and not just say "It's in the system sorry"
emfleek
11/7/11 1:00:56PM

Posted by TheDiazDictionary

I really think we need to look at how the Hot Bout is picked. I think the Hot Bout fight should always be a main card fight. It should always be permanent and not changed at the last second. If you look right now the Hot Bout for the Fox card is Matt Lucas vs Aaron Rosa. Seriously? That is a joke of a HB, how is it not Cain vs JDS? I know the mods say its whatever is closet to 50/50, but we really need to change this. some people will spend a good time researching the HB trying to figure out who to pick, but then after the weigh ins more people make their picks and it switches. I really hope people are behind this and the mods can make some changes and not just say "It's in the system sorry"



Currently, "the system" *is* the issue. The way the game is setup right now is that the "Hot Bout" is the closest bout in terms of picks. It's automated. We do not manually select it.

Concerns have been voiced and, rest assured, we've discussed changing the way it's selected. If/when it changes, everyone will be notified.

These suggestions aren't falling on deaf ears. We promise!
Poor_Franklin
11/7/11 2:04:38PM
i agree, but if the closest main card fight is larger 55/45, then i dont want it.
Twenty20Dollars
11/7/11 2:09:06PM
Keep it how it is.

I mean, who would get to decide what the hot bout is?

The users decide it by who they pick and whichever is closest to 50/50. Seems fair to me.

Also this is coming from someone who rarely gets the hot bout correct.
Roy_nelsons_belly_lint
11/7/11 3:38:33PM
hot bouts should have some meaning behind them. how much does it suck that you cant even watch the hot bout most times. I think maybe the headliner of spike fights would work, but since spike is leaving, make it the closest 50/50 bout on the main card. I am glad the mods are taking note of this, and for anyone who wants to leave it the way it is, how does it really change anything if the hot bout moves from 2 journey men in rosa vs lucas to say llamas vs swanson. You still have a hot bout and now u get to watch it on tv. This would be all good and dandy if it were a ppv. But on 139 as of right meow the hot bout is wandy vs cung le and that is a sweet hot bout. as much as I like filthy tom lawlor I hope his fight with weidman doesn't get the votes to move to the hot bout spot.



and I know the big response will be "your a newb and find out who these guys are or go back to watching wwf". thats not the point, I am not amped up to watch these 2 low low low level guys ruin my points.

thanks mods for looking out
emfleek
11/7/11 3:41:13PM

Posted by Roy_nelsons_belly_lint

and I know the big response will be "your a newb and find out who these guys are or go back to watching wwf". thats not the point, I am not amped up to watch these 2 low low low level guys ruin my points.

thanks mods for looking out



I assure you that you will not get that response here. I'd hope our members are better than that.
Twenty20Dollars
11/7/11 4:21:49PM
The UFC has made it to where you can watch every fight now.

What if the main card fights aren't that close to 50/50, what if they are mostly 60/40, 70/30?

Then once again, who would get to make the final decision on the hot bout? It would be picked and some people wouldn't want that as the hot bout.

I think it would lose the meaning of hot bout, if we started picking the hot bout and it not be the closest bout in pick percentage to 50/50.

Plus it makes you have to learn more about the unknown fighters or not the big name stars.

It's part of the game. I don't want it to become easy where everyone is going to get the hot bout right.
Budgellism
11/7/11 4:39:53PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by Roy_nelsons_belly_lint

and I know the big response will be "your a newb and find out who these guys are or go back to watching wwf". thats not the point, I am not amped up to watch these 2 low low low level guys ruin my points.

thanks mods for looking out



I assure you that you will not get that response here. I'd hope our members are better than that.



He must be coming from Sherdog. It's okay, you're safe now.
Rabi
11/7/11 5:45:46PM
I personally hope, they dont change how the HB is picked, and like twentydollars said, you can watch every fight now live somewhere (either TV or Net).

Plus, we have Franklinfan who up until UFC 137 had got 5 hot bouts bang on in a row!
kopower
11/7/11 6:18:04PM
I think its fine now. I mean is someones pick gonna change based on the hot bout? The one thing I don't like is when it changes last minute. Thinking you nailed the hot bout, only to find out it switched and your 22 points are gone can be frustrating.
shaneTpain
11/7/11 6:37:55PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Keep it how it is.

I mean, who would get to decide what the hot bout is?

The users decide it by who they pick and whichever is closest to 50/50. Seems fair to me.

Also this is coming from someone who rarely gets the hot bout correct.



Shawn91111
11/7/11 6:43:32PM
Most of the time the main event is one of the easiest fights to predict on the card. Who gives a shit if the hot bout has meaning in how its presented (ie, #1 contender, title fight etc). If its a tough fight to predict and its 50/50 on the playground then that should be the hot bout. Keep it how it is and has been.

But I will add that it should be locked as the hot bout a few days before the event instead of switching last minute, as some camps spend weeks discussing the closest fights and what surely is going to be the hot bout only for it to change.
emfleek
11/7/11 7:37:15PM

Posted by Shawn91111

But I will add that it should be locked as the hot bout a few days before the event instead of switching last minute, as some camps spend weeks discussing the closest fights and what surely is going to be the hot bout only for it to change.



I would agree with this. Maybe lock it in at the 72 hour mark or something.
Roy_nelsons_belly_lint
11/7/11 7:57:32PM
ok what you just stated totally conflicts with itself. you want the hot bout system to stay the same, BUT have it locked at a certain point. What if 1000 people didnt vote yet. then the hot bout would have changed. and 72 hours before the card is way too early. what if a fighter misses weight or looks like he is gonna fall off the scale. I would just like to see some worthy fights have the hot bout title.
Roy_nelsons_belly_lint
11/7/11 7:59:34PM
you say we have to do research on the fighters, listen dude if you didnt have sherdog fight finder you would have no idea who 90% of the undercard fighters are or who they faught previously. you know and can EASILY follow main card fighters. I never said make the hot bout the main event every time. Just make it a some what important bout. Like I said the closest 50/50 on the ppv main card
CantAndleDaRiddum
11/7/11 8:12:04PM
Leave it the same. Not my fault if you don't know the fighters.
FlashyG
11/7/11 11:46:32PM
Reading this thread reminds me of how little I pay attention to the Hot bout.

9 times out of 10 I don't know which one the hot bout is until I'm watching the event and reading my fight companion.

Count me among those that like it just the way it is, the hot bout should always be the one we as members are most split on.

It makes the 22 points more valuable.
Kpro
11/8/11 3:45:10AM
Our camp treats any possible Hot Bout as the Hot Bout. This way we get as much input as we can on the closest fights and we'll look up video and backgrounds on unknown fighters if there are any.

i understood the argument of `but i don't want the Hot Bout to be a fight I can't see` a year ago, but with every single fight viewable with Facebook/TV/PPV, those not watching the Hot Bouts these days are just not utilizing Facebook's free prelims I'm guessing.

I like, as said above, the Hot Bout being the fight that is most evenly picked by members of the site. If any changes do get made, it's not a big deal either though.

I'd recommend a main card Hot Bout and a prelim Hot Bout locking 48 hours before picks lock satisfying those who like it the way it is, those who want it to be a main card fight, and those who want it to lock before picks lock. But that would just mean I could go 0-2 on Hot Bouts on one event though.

KungFuMaster
11/8/11 6:04:59PM
LOL I didn't even know it changes. Now I know why my scores are always so low.
Pookie
11/8/11 6:24:17PM
It's never changed, don't change it. People will always find something to complain about, if they feel like complaining.
Shawn91111
11/8/11 7:08:21PM

Posted by KungFuMaster

LOL I didn't even know it changes. Now I know why my scores are always so low.



Thats not why
tn_rebel
11/8/11 9:36:24PM

Posted by TheDiazDictionary

I really think we need to look at how the Hot Bout is picked. I think the Hot Bout fight should always be a main card fight. It should always be permanent and not changed at the last second. If you look right now the Hot Bout for the Fox card is Matt Lucas vs Aaron Rosa. Seriously? That is a joke of a HB, how is it not Cain vs JDS? I know the mods say its whatever is closet to 50/50, but we really need to change this. some people will spend a good time researching the HB trying to figure out who to pick, but then after the weigh ins more people make their picks and it switches. I really hope people are behind this and the mods can make some changes and not just say "It's in the system sorry"



agree... would be sweet if cain vs JDS was hot bout
pmoney
11/17/11 6:36:47PM
I hate it when you think you have 22 points and then you find out that not only do you just have 11 points, that you got the new hot bout wrong. That hasn't happened to me often, but when it did it sucked. Having said that, I don't know if I would want a change to the hot bout system.

It's a slippery slope. We've had suggestions for:
* Main and preliminary card Hot Bouts
* Locking Hot Bouts
* Hot Bouts based on hype/anticipation.

What about having an unlimited number of Hot Bouts? Anything within 50/50-55/45 is a Hot Bout? There are just so many ways to slice this pie.

There have been a lot of changes lately, in aesthetics, format, and content. All of these changes have been great, in my opinion. These improvements have served to highlight the awesome forums and, most importantly, the best Fantasy MMA game on the internet.

The game itself, though, is the one thing that I hope never changes. The system is damn near perfect as is.

Get on the youtube and the wikipedia and research the fighters if you don't know who they are. Participate in the secondary league and research those fighters too. I was picking Robert Peralta against "Streetfight Bancho" in Strikeforce not too long ago, now he is getting me W's in the primary league. Same with the WEC guys, I followed them for years, now they're all in the UFC.

Also, I noticed someone say these fighters they don't know are "ruining your points". Picking incorrectly doesn't affect your points at all, you just don't get points. It does show up as a loss on your record though. If you see a fight with two guys you don't know, you don't have to make a selection. I know some people who only make 5-6 picks a card for that reason.
Shawn91111
11/18/11 7:17:22AM
Locking the hot bout a few days before the event is the only good idea. The others such as having the main event as the hot bout, too many people, including myself are against.
emfleek
11/18/11 8:23:58AM
Why would anyone treat the Hot Bout any differently when making picks? *THAT* is what doesn't make sense to me.

It is what it is...the fight that is closest in terms of who is picking who. You can't change the definition of it simply because you've gotten it wrong a few times.

Like Shawn91111 said...I agree that maybe it should be locked out 48-72 hours ahead of time. Hell, even that I don't really care about all that much. I don't spend any more time focusing on the Hot Bout than I do on any of the other fights.
Rabi
11/18/11 9:53:38AM
I think they should leave it the way it is! If somethings not broke don't fix it!
Shawn91111
11/18/11 10:33:02AM

Posted by Rabi

I think they should leave it the way it is! If somethings not broke don't fix it!



What makes you think its not broke?
emfleek
11/18/11 10:39:41AM

Posted by Shawn91111


Posted by Rabi

I think they should leave it the way it is! If somethings not broke don't fix it!



What makes you think its not broke?



It's not broken. It's just that not everyone agrees with how it works. It's impossible to make everyone happy.
Rabi
11/18/11 11:09:30AM
Because I feel the system works, I feel its not broke!
Roy_nelsons_belly_lint
12/4/11 7:26:44PM
what if a fighter misses weight and looks dehydrated and u picked him to win. then ur locked in with him.
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