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placente
9/6/11 1:14:52PM
I've been thinking hard and slow to what the media is saying about the the guy to beat Anderson silva; some say it could be Dan Henderson now or bones jones, or even GSP, but am i too crazy to say that Chael Sonnen was the only dude to ever hurt and dominate Anderson Silva and that he deserves a rematch over all of those guys?

Even before the yushin okami fight i was thinking "UFC what are you doing!!!!!" or Joe silva, give him Chael sonnen again because i believe Anderson's performance that day was really bad, and he really was overwhelmed by Cheal until the miracle Triangle choke.

Anybody feel the same or am i smoking crack? i do not discredit Jones or GSP, i just think before making a super fight like that, give him Chael first then think about other fights.

Thoughts???
kingsmasher
9/6/11 1:52:34PM
Well IMO he never ever hurt Silva...Silva didnt have a scratch on him after the fight...
FastKnockout
9/6/11 1:59:01PM

Posted by kingsmasher

Well IMO he never ever hurt Silva...Silva didnt have a scratch on him after the fight...



He rocked Silva two or three times. That should be considered "hurt".
tn_rebel
9/6/11 2:05:21PM

Posted by placente

I've been thinking hard and slow to what the media is saying about the the guy to beat Anderson silva; some say it could be Dan Henderson now or bones jones, or even GSP, but am i too crazy to say that Chael Sonnen was the only dude to ever hurt and dominate Anderson Silva and that he deserves a rematch over all of those guys?

Even before the yushin okami fight i was thinking "UFC what are you doing!!!!!" or Joe silva, give him Chael sonnen again because i believe Anderson's performance that day was really bad, and he really was overwhelmed by Cheal until the miracle Triangle choke.

Anybody feel the same or am i smoking crack? i do not discredit Jones or GSP, i just think before making a super fight like that, give him Chael first then think about other fights.

Thoughts???



Can you pass the crack pipe buddy? Miracle? Did you not see that triangle coming? Silva wanted to tap him out b/c of all the things Sonnen said about BJJ. Not sayin he shouldn't get another shot, but it was obvious he was setting him up for a triangle the whole fight. Not to mention, Sonnen was juicin for that fight.
ghandikush
9/6/11 2:19:26PM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by kingsmasher

Well IMO he never ever hurt Silva...Silva didnt have a scratch on him after the fight...



He rocked Silva two or three times. That should be considered "hurt".



He never rocked him imo, but he absolutely damaged him. He dropped silva and landed heavy shots in gnp.
Chael_Sonnen
9/6/11 2:27:20PM

Posted by kingsmasher

Well IMO he never ever hurt Silva...Silva didnt have a scratch on him after the fight...



He "hurt" his ribs at the end of round 1
placente
9/6/11 2:36:15PM

Posted by tn_rebel


Posted by placente

I've been thinking hard and slow to what the media is saying about the the guy to beat Anderson silva; some say it could be Dan Henderson now or bones jones, or even GSP, but am i too crazy to say that Chael Sonnen was the only dude to ever hurt and dominate Anderson Silva and that he deserves a rematch over all of those guys?

Even before the yushin okami fight i was thinking "UFC what are you doing!!!!!" or Joe silva, give him Chael sonnen again because i believe Anderson's performance that day was really bad, and he really was overwhelmed by Cheal until the miracle Triangle choke.

Anybody feel the same or am i smoking crack? i do not discredit Jones or GSP, i just think before making a super fight like that, give him Chael first then think about other fights.

Thoughts???



Can you pass the crack pipe buddy? Miracle? Did you not see that triangle coming? Silva wanted to tap him out b/c of all the things Sonnen said about BJJ. Not sayin he shouldn't get another shot, but it was obvious he was setting him up for a triangle the whole fight. Not to mention, Sonnen was juicin for that fight.




I seriously did not see that triangle coming, if he was setting him up for a triangle at round 5 why did he purposely get taken down for 4 rounds taken all that damage, get rocked like three times, all because he wanted to set a triangle at round 5?, i do not buy that crap.

juicin' aside has he not been the only guy to ever dominate and almost beat AS?
Fix his Bjj defense and i could predict Chael Sonnen could be the only guy to beat AS in the middleweight division.
FastKnockout
9/6/11 3:11:08PM

Posted by ghandikush


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by kingsmasher

Well IMO he never ever hurt Silva...Silva didnt have a scratch on him after the fight...



He rocked Silva two or three times. That should be considered "hurt".



He never rocked him imo, but he absolutely damaged him. He dropped silva and landed heavy shots in gnp.





Come on, man. He was rocked. His knees even buckled. lol And I'm not even a Sonnen fan!
kingsmasher
9/6/11 3:25:51PM
I dont care what anyone says about Silva being hurt...

IMO he was never hurt and was making up for his antics in previous fights...

Come on man...Think about it...Silva was on teh hot seat and really nobody was interested in his fights...The way teh Sonnen fight went down was perfect to create hype for Silva and the UFC...

Of course Silva is not hype but him destroying everyone doesnt help the UFC...Him toying with guys and acting foolish did not help teh UFC...The way the Sonnen fight went down you couldnt write a better script for the UFC in marketing Silva, pay perviews for the rematch and the ongoing hype machine the fight created...


Its funny how he gets triangled in the fifth round all sweaty....he was on whatever but didnt have the strength to pull out...Cmon man...Out of all my years of watching the UFC I have never even heard of something so perfect for building a hype...
emfleek
9/6/11 3:33:03PM

Posted by kingsmasher

I dont care what anyone says about Silva being hurt...

IMO he was never hurt and was making up for his antics in previous fights...

Come on man...Think about it...Silva was on teh hot seat and really nobody was interested in his fights...The way teh Sonnen fight went down was perfect to create hype for Silva and the UFC...

Of course Silva is not hype but him destroying everyone doesnt help the UFC...Him toying with guys and acting foolish did not help teh UFC...The way the Sonnen fight went down you couldnt write a better script for the UFC in marketing Silva, pay perviews for the rematch and the ongoing hype machine the fight created...

Its funny how he gets triangled in the fifth round all sweaty....he was on whatever but didnt have the strength to pull out...Cmon man...Out of all my years of watching the UFC I have never even heard of something so perfect for building a hype...



C'mon...what are you going to tell me next? We put a man on the moon?

placente
9/6/11 3:38:42PM

Posted by kingsmasher

I dont care what anyone says about Silva being hurt...

IMO he was never hurt and was making up for his antics in previous fights...

Come on man...Think about it...Silva was on teh hot seat and really nobody was interested in his fights...The way teh Sonnen fight went down was perfect to create hype for Silva and the UFC...

Of course Silva is not hype but him destroying everyone doesnt help the UFC...Him toying with guys and acting foolish did not help teh UFC...The way the Sonnen fight went down you couldnt write a better script for the UFC in marketing Silva, pay perviews for the rematch and the ongoing hype machine the fight created...


Its funny how he gets triangled in the fifth round all sweaty....he was on whatever but didnt have the strength to pull out...Cmon man...Out of all my years of watching the UFC I have never even heard of something so perfect for building a hype...




you mean to tell me the fight was fixed to benefit silva's hype as the best middleweight champion?

so with that point of view many fights has been fixed like think Matt Hughes vs Frank Trigg II, or GSP vs Matt Serra, you mean to tell me that UFC is slowly becoming the WWE?
Poor_Franklin
9/6/11 3:48:47PM
there are a few people on this forum who are obvious arguers & are not worth the educated response you give them.

ignore the trolls & move along
Chael_Sonnen
9/6/11 4:14:32PM

Posted by kingsmasher

I dont care what anyone says about Silva being hurt...

IMO he was never hurt and was making up for his antics in previous fights...

Come on man...Think about it...Silva was on teh hot seat and really nobody was interested in his fights...The way teh Sonnen fight went down was perfect to create hype for Silva and the UFC...

Of course Silva is not hype but him destroying everyone doesnt help the UFC...Him toying with guys and acting foolish did not help teh UFC...The way the Sonnen fight went down you couldnt write a better script for the UFC in marketing Silva, pay perviews for the rematch and the ongoing hype machine the fight created...


Its funny how he gets triangled in the fifth round all sweaty....he was on whatever but didnt have the strength to pull out...Cmon man...Out of all my years of watching the UFC I have never even heard of something so perfect for building a hype...



prophecy033
9/6/11 4:20:46PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by kingsmasher

I dont care what anyone says about Silva being hurt...

IMO he was never hurt and was making up for his antics in previous fights...

Come on man...Think about it...Silva was on teh hot seat and really nobody was interested in his fights...The way teh Sonnen fight went down was perfect to create hype for Silva and the UFC...

Of course Silva is not hype but him destroying everyone doesnt help the UFC...Him toying with guys and acting foolish did not help teh UFC...The way the Sonnen fight went down you couldnt write a better script for the UFC in marketing Silva, pay perviews for the rematch and the ongoing hype machine the fight created...

Its funny how he gets triangled in the fifth round all sweaty....he was on whatever but didnt have the strength to pull out...Cmon man...Out of all my years of watching the UFC I have never even heard of something so perfect for building a hype...



C'mon...what are you going to tell me next? We put a man on the moon?


that cat is mean mugging like a mofo
warglory
9/6/11 5:36:01PM

Posted by tn_rebel


Posted by placente

I've been thinking hard and slow to what the media is saying about the the guy to beat Anderson silva; some say it could be Dan Henderson now or bones jones, or even GSP, but am i too crazy to say that Chael Sonnen was the only dude to ever hurt and dominate Anderson Silva and that he deserves a rematch over all of those guys?

Even before the yushin okami fight i was thinking "UFC what are you doing!!!!!" or Joe silva, give him Chael sonnen again because i believe Anderson's performance that day was really bad, and he really was overwhelmed by Cheal until the miracle Triangle choke.

Anybody feel the same or am i smoking crack? i do not discredit Jones or GSP, i just think before making a super fight like that, give him Chael first then think about other fights.

Thoughts???



Can you pass the crack pipe buddy? Miracle? Did you not see that triangle coming? Silva wanted to tap him out b/c of all the things Sonnen said about BJJ. Not sayin he shouldn't get another shot, but it was obvious he was setting him up for a triangle the whole fight. Not to mention, Sonnen was juicin for that fight.



1. Anderson was getting his butt kicked, Anderson was trying to survive for the entire fight.

2. You have no proof Chael was juicing, so please don't speculate.
warglory
9/6/11 5:37:21PM

Posted by kingsmasher

Well IMO he never ever hurt Silva...Silva didnt have a scratch on him after the fight...



He outstruck Silva, and outworked him on the ground. Since when do you need a mashed up face to perceive dominance?
warglory
9/6/11 5:41:13PM

Posted by placente

I've been thinking hard and slow to what the media is saying about the the guy to beat Anderson silva; some say it could be Dan Henderson now or bones jones, or even GSP, but am i too crazy to say that Chael Sonnen was the only dude to ever hurt and dominate Anderson Silva and that he deserves a rematch over all of those guys?

Even before the yushin okami fight i was thinking "UFC what are you doing!!!!!" or Joe silva, give him Chael sonnen again because i believe Anderson's performance that day was really bad, and he really was overwhelmed by Cheal until the miracle Triangle choke.

Anybody feel the same or am i smoking crack? i do not discredit Jones or GSP, i just think before making a super fight like that, give him Chael first then think about other fights.

Thoughts???



Anderson Silva vs. Daiju Takase, the man can get dominated. Granted, Silva is a much better fighter now, but he does have weakness, it's just people don't have the confidence in their stand up to exploit it.
BeeR
9/6/11 6:47:26PM

Posted by kingsmasher

I dont care what anyone says about Silva being hurt...

IMO he was never hurt and was making up for his antics in previous fights...

Come on man...Think about it...Silva was on teh hot seat and really nobody was interested in his fights...The way teh Sonnen fight went down was perfect to create hype for Silva and the UFC...

Of course Silva is not hype but him destroying everyone doesnt help the UFC...Him toying with guys and acting foolish did not help teh UFC...The way the Sonnen fight went down you couldnt write a better script for the UFC in marketing Silva, pay perviews for the rematch and the ongoing hype machine the fight created...


Its funny how he gets triangled in the fifth round all sweaty....he was on whatever but didnt have the strength to pull out...Cmon man...Out of all my years of watching the UFC I have never even heard of something so perfect for building a hype...





how are the nuts. a little salty......?
Chael_Sonnen
9/6/11 6:52:41PM

Posted by BeeR


Posted by kingsmasher

I dont care what anyone says about Silva being hurt...

IMO he was never hurt and was making up for his antics in previous fights...

Come on man...Think about it...Silva was on teh hot seat and really nobody was interested in his fights...The way teh Sonnen fight went down was perfect to create hype for Silva and the UFC...

Of course Silva is not hype but him destroying everyone doesnt help the UFC...Him toying with guys and acting foolish did not help teh UFC...The way the Sonnen fight went down you couldnt write a better script for the UFC in marketing Silva, pay perviews for the rematch and the ongoing hype machine the fight created...


Its funny how he gets triangled in the fifth round all sweaty....he was on whatever but didnt have the strength to pull out...Cmon man...Out of all my years of watching the UFC I have never even heard of something so perfect for building a hype...





how are the nuts. a little salty......?



placente
9/6/11 8:14:09PM
to beat AS in the stand up, a fighter has to be as creative or better than AS, and i think theres no such fighter like that.

we need to make a fight happen where AS fights a mimic cyborg of himself then maybe...... just maybe we could see AS lose by strikes
prozacnation1978
9/6/11 10:10:54PM
That's funny!!
A guy who cheated fought a injured fighter and still couldn't win
ajp10k
9/6/11 10:37:43PM
Silva in the 2nd fight will come in not hurt and with intentions to KO Sonnen instead of submitting him. (that is why he wore the bjj gi). I do not predict a rematch because I think Sonnen will lose to Stann. But if there is a rematch Sonnen will give him the Okami treatment.
ncordless
9/7/11 4:16:28AM
link

Pretty sure I saw him grimace in pain.




Still probably the greatest sub in MMA history.
tmas
9/7/11 3:36:01PM
Chael Rocked Anderson but lets look at facts.....

you cant dominate someone in a loss CHAEL LOST!...
Chael tapped out...in other words he quit! come one it wasnt a ******* decision Anderson had one plan the entire fight sub chael.
Anderson had no intention of finishing the fight standing he said on multiple occasions he only wanted to submit him, or lose trying because of the **** talk by chael about his BJJ. He had a point to prove, and for 5 rounds worked a triangle anyone who knows anything at all about BJJ could see the triange coming a mile away espically since he worked on it for 5 rounds.
Anderson had a broken rib going into the fight
Chael was taking testorone, his levels were elevated past the allowed amount, this is proven in the suspension chael had....

so to sum it up.
Chael hurt anderson, didnt dominate him becasuse he lost the fight by tapping out to a triange that Anderson worked on over and over for 5 rounds, while having a cracked rib and cheal having elevated levels of testorone...

does chael deserve a title shot? no he lost the fight and not by decision he tapped out, thats like saying if jones works rampage over for 3 rounds and then in the 4th gets knocked out by a crazy looping rampage hook that he should get a rematch...wtf.....

ok but i hope HE DOES because this time SIlva wont play around and only go for sub, he will defend the takedowns like in the past, and put his limbs all over wittle chaels chin.....its moot anyway stann will destroy chael, and prolly end anderson's streak. Stann is the future .
Hendo67
9/7/11 3:40:23PM
Since when does Silva have the TDD to stop Chael?

The guy couldn't even stop a gassed Travis Lutter takedown...
Hendo67
9/7/11 3:42:37PM

Posted by tmas

Chael Rocked Anderson but lets look at facts.....

you cant dominate someone in a loss CHAEL LOST!...
Chael tapped out...in other words he quit! come one it wasnt a ******* decision Anderson had one plan the entire fight sub chael.
Anderson had no intention of finishing the fight standing he said on multiple occasions he only wanted to submit him, or lose trying because of the **** talk by chael about his BJJ. He had a point to prove, and for 5 rounds worked a triangle anyone who knows anything at all about BJJ could see the triange coming a mile away espically since he worked on it for 5 rounds.
Anderson had a broken rib going into the fight
Chael was taking testorone, his levels were elevated past the allowed amount, this is proven in the suspension chael had....

so to sum it up.
Chael hurt anderson, didnt dominate him becasuse he lost the fight by tapping out to a triange that Anderson worked on over and over for 5 rounds, while having a cracked rib and cheal having elevated levels of testorone...

does chael deserve a title shot? no he lost the fight and not by decision he tapped out, thats like saying if jones works rampage over for 3 rounds and then in the 4th gets knocked out by a crazy looping rampage hook that he should get a rematch...wtf.....

ok but i hope HE DOES because this time SIlva wont play around and only go for sub, he will defend the takedowns like in the past, and put his limbs all over wittle chaels chin.....its moot anyway stann will destroy chael, and prolly end anderson's streak. Stann is the future .



Come on, that's absolutely ridiculous... I don't know if you're serious or not. Anderson won 13 seconds of the fight Chael won 22 mins, i think that is domination, yeah he came out on the losing end... I guess Carwin didn't dominate Lesnar either, Manhoef didn't dominate Lawler...
prophecy033
9/7/11 3:58:01PM

Posted by Hendo67


Posted by tmas

Chael Rocked Anderson but lets look at facts.....

you cant dominate someone in a loss CHAEL LOST!...
Chael tapped out...in other words he quit! come one it wasnt a ******* decision Anderson had one plan the entire fight sub chael.
Anderson had no intention of finishing the fight standing he said on multiple occasions he only wanted to submit him, or lose trying because of the **** talk by chael about his BJJ. He had a point to prove, and for 5 rounds worked a triangle anyone who knows anything at all about BJJ could see the triange coming a mile away espically since he worked on it for 5 rounds.
Anderson had a broken rib going into the fight
Chael was taking testorone, his levels were elevated past the allowed amount, this is proven in the suspension chael had....

so to sum it up.
Chael hurt anderson, didnt dominate him becasuse he lost the fight by tapping out to a triange that Anderson worked on over and over for 5 rounds, while having a cracked rib and cheal having elevated levels of testorone...

does chael deserve a title shot? no he lost the fight and not by decision he tapped out, thats like saying if jones works rampage over for 3 rounds and then in the 4th gets knocked out by a crazy looping rampage hook that he should get a rematch...wtf.....

ok but i hope HE DOES because this time SIlva wont play around and only go for sub, he will defend the takedowns like in the past, and put his limbs all over wittle chaels chin.....its moot anyway stann will destroy chael, and prolly end anderson's streak. Stann is the future .



Come on, that's absolutely ridiculous... I don't know if you're serious or not. Anderson won 13 seconds of the fight Chael won 22 mins, i think that is domination, yeah he came out on the losing end... I guess Carwin didn't dominate Lesnar either, Manhoef didn't dominate Lawler...

Randy didn't dominate Tito either....even while spanking him
placente
9/7/11 4:46:18PM
Chael deserves a rematch because he has been the only guy to have ever demonstrated that AS is human and he can be hurt, taken down, GnPed. No matter if he juiced or not, that win didnt look like he set up from the beginning, to me it looked like he lucked out.

That was a controversial win and i think it needs to be settled once and for all, because i still don't know who is better than who.
MaxOne
9/7/11 5:58:55PM

Posted by kingsmasher

Well IMO he never ever hurt Silva...Silva didnt have a scratch on him after the fight...



you need to watch that again. He hurt him. Silva was also banged up and swollen after the fight.
kopower
9/7/11 9:30:56PM

Posted by Hendo67


Posted by tmas

Chael Rocked Anderson but lets look at facts.....

you cant dominate someone in a loss CHAEL LOST!...
Chael tapped out...in other words he quit! come one it wasnt a ******* decision Anderson had one plan the entire fight sub chael.
Anderson had no intention of finishing the fight standing he said on multiple occasions he only wanted to submit him, or lose trying because of the **** talk by chael about his BJJ. He had a point to prove, and for 5 rounds worked a triangle anyone who knows anything at all about BJJ could see the triange coming a mile away espically since he worked on it for 5 rounds.
Anderson had a broken rib going into the fight
Chael was taking testorone, his levels were elevated past the allowed amount, this is proven in the suspension chael had....

so to sum it up.
Chael hurt anderson, didnt dominate him becasuse he lost the fight by tapping out to a triange that Anderson worked on over and over for 5 rounds, while having a cracked rib and cheal having elevated levels of testorone...

does chael deserve a title shot? no he lost the fight and not by decision he tapped out, thats like saying if jones works rampage over for 3 rounds and then in the 4th gets knocked out by a crazy looping rampage hook that he should get a rematch...wtf.....

ok but i hope HE DOES because this time SIlva wont play around and only go for sub, he will defend the takedowns like in the past, and put his limbs all over wittle chaels chin.....its moot anyway stann will destroy chael, and prolly end anderson's streak. Stann is the future .



Come on, that's absolutely ridiculous... I don't know if you're serious or not. Anderson won 13 seconds of the fight Chael won 22 mins, i think that is domination, yeah he came out on the losing end... I guess Carwin didn't dominate Lesnar either, Manhoef didn't dominate Lawler...



I agree with Hendo. You can absolutely dominate a fight and end up losing at the end.
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