Cesar Gracie: Showtime snub led to Jason "Mayhem" Miller's deal with UFC
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Cesar Gracie: Showtime snub led to Jason "Mayhem" Miller's deal with UFC
telnights
4/27/11 5:36:50PM
There's a reason fans didn't see Jason "Mayhem" Miller vs. Nick Diaz or Miller vs. Tim Kennedy, and it has nothing to do with weight or scheduling.
According to Diaz's trainer Cesar Gracie, the move of "Mayhem" from Strikeforce to the UFC was based in part on Showtime's disinterest in putting him on the premium-cable channel.
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I don't buy this at all.
According to Diaz's trainer Cesar Gracie, the move of "Mayhem" from Strikeforce to the UFC was based in part on Showtime's disinterest in putting him on the premium-cable channel.
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I don't buy this at all.
pmoney
4/27/11 6:07:21PM
After reading the article, I would definitely say Cesar Gracie presents a plausible scenario, if things went down as he described. Mayhem being taken off the Kennedy fight was very weird.
telnights
4/27/11 8:00:38PM
Ok found this.
"Dana White confirmed Cesar’s comments from earlier today on MMAJunkie radio that the main reason for signing Jason Miller was that “Mayhem” was banned from fighting on both CBS and Showtime by network brass because of his role in the Nasville brawl (Funny they had no problem with Diaz, who threw the first punch, or Jake Shields and Gilbert Melendez, who were also involved in the skirmish"
"Dana White confirmed Cesar’s comments from earlier today on MMAJunkie radio that the main reason for signing Jason Miller was that “Mayhem” was banned from fighting on both CBS and Showtime by network brass because of his role in the Nasville brawl (Funny they had no problem with Diaz, who threw the first punch, or Jake Shields and Gilbert Melendez, who were also involved in the skirmish"
pmoney
4/27/11 8:21:38PM
That's some fine detective work Lou! I mean, telnights....
RyanC
4/27/11 8:47:41PM
Joe Rogan asked Mayhem on his podcast about why he wasn't fighting Tim Kennedy on that card and Jason essentially said he couldn't answer the question but he suggested that he knew something was going on.
One of the most bogus things I've ever heard. Mayhem had nothing to do with starting the brawl beyond walking into the cage, something he freely admits was a mistake, and he apologized for it immediately. Apologized for trying to hype a rematch and then getting jumped by 3 professional fighters, and getting kicked in the head. Yet somehow all of the others involved don't have any problem continuing to fight for Strikeforce or get on TV.
I've got to wonder what was the motivation behind singling out Mayhem for this incident. I've got a couple ideas, but that's about it. I'd love to hear Mayhem talk about this someday just to see if I'm right.
One of the most bogus things I've ever heard. Mayhem had nothing to do with starting the brawl beyond walking into the cage, something he freely admits was a mistake, and he apologized for it immediately. Apologized for trying to hype a rematch and then getting jumped by 3 professional fighters, and getting kicked in the head. Yet somehow all of the others involved don't have any problem continuing to fight for Strikeforce or get on TV.
I've got to wonder what was the motivation behind singling out Mayhem for this incident. I've got a couple ideas, but that's about it. I'd love to hear Mayhem talk about this someday just to see if I'm right.
grappler0000
4/27/11 8:52:48PM
Posted by RyanC
I've got to wonder what was the motivation behind singling out Mayhem for this incident.
The idea is to throw 1 person under the bus instead of 3 (now 2) champions.
Makaveli158
4/27/11 9:30:44PM
Posted by grappler0000
Posted by RyanC
I've got to wonder what was the motivation behind singling out Mayhem for this incident.
The idea is to throw 1 person under the bus instead of 3 (now 2) champions.
That's the way the world works folks. Throw Miller, who doesn't have too much star power, under the bus and let the money makers walk free. Miller shouldn't have got in the cage in the first place, but the Gracie team didn't react in a professional matter either. It all worked out for Miller though, he is in the UFC now and if he performs well he can welcome a bigger paycheck.
On a side note, Funny how these people make a living off of fighting, are paid to fight, train to fight, promoted as fighters.....but when a situation such as the Nashville Brawl occurs and the FIGHTERS respond like FIGHTERS suddenly there is a big ****** problem for everyone involved....... It's kinda like a tiger that attacks someone in a zoo, the tiger didn't go crazy - the tiger went TIGER. What do you expect?
Should just give everyone a fine and let them go about their business.
pmoney
4/27/11 9:41:30PM
If he was told by the brass not to go in to the cage, and he did so anyhow, anything that would happen afterwards is the direct result of Mayhem's actions. Some would say that is more disrespectful than Kanye upstaging Taylor Swift....
Sure, you wouldn't think a full blown brawl would erupt, but that's on Miller. He jumps in the ring, apparently against the will of the producers, and tries to hype himself and a rematch with Jake? I like Mayhem, but c'mon man! Stepping on toes....
Sure, you wouldn't think a full blown brawl would erupt, but that's on Miller. He jumps in the ring, apparently against the will of the producers, and tries to hype himself and a rematch with Jake? I like Mayhem, but c'mon man! Stepping on toes....
bjj1605
4/27/11 10:35:31PM
Posted by pmoney
If he was told by the brass not to go in to the cage, and he did so anyhow, anything that would happen afterwards is the direct result of Mayhem's actions. Some would say that is more disrespectful than Kanye upstaging Taylor Swift....
Sure, you wouldn't think a full blown brawl would erupt, but that's on Miller. He jumps in the ring, apparently against the will of the producers, and tries to hype himself and a rematch with Jake? I like Mayhem, but c'mon man! Stepping on toes....
I can't believe you just used a Kanye/Taylor Swift reference on an MMA forum...
pmoney
4/27/11 10:47:17PM
Posted by bjj1605
Posted by pmoney
If he was told by the brass not to go in to the cage, and he did so anyhow, anything that would happen afterwards is the direct result of Mayhem's actions. Some would say that is more disrespectful than Kanye upstaging Taylor Swift....
Sure, you wouldn't think a full blown brawl would erupt, but that's on Miller. He jumps in the ring, apparently against the will of the producers, and tries to hype himself and a rematch with Jake? I like Mayhem, but c'mon man! Stepping on toes....
I can't believe you just used a Kanye/Taylor Swift reference on an MMA forum...
I'm here to please
supatolacyl
4/28/11 12:16:20AM
SF bigs can deny it all they want but I still believe without a doubt that Coker told Mayhem to go into the cage and ruffle some feathers. Mayhem can deny it as well, I would just call that being a good employe trying to save face for SF. I find it hard to believe showtime would ban anything from their programing, with some of the shows they air and it not happening on their station.
I think if anything like ceaser said to Mayhem, was said to Nick by someone his responce to that nonsense would be "where I come from you'd get slaped in the mouth for sayin $h!t like that" Showtime blackballen Mayhem isn't the reason the fight with Diaz didn't happen. If Nick wanted to fight Mayhem he wouldn't have let weight or showtime stop him, cuz they could have always signed the fight in DREAM and fought there. It was a lose lose fight for Nick and he new it, if he won so what he just curb stomped him with 3 of his hommies on cbs and if he lost then everyone would have made a big deal about him needing a "Posse" to help him beat 1 guy and garbage like that. So no matter how apealing that fight is, it will always be tanted for Diaz. ( Now before you Diaz junkies get all upitty re-read what I wrote I did not say nick was afraid or anything of that nature so relax and breathe)
I think if anything like ceaser said to Mayhem, was said to Nick by someone his responce to that nonsense would be "where I come from you'd get slaped in the mouth for sayin $h!t like that" Showtime blackballen Mayhem isn't the reason the fight with Diaz didn't happen. If Nick wanted to fight Mayhem he wouldn't have let weight or showtime stop him, cuz they could have always signed the fight in DREAM and fought there. It was a lose lose fight for Nick and he new it, if he won so what he just curb stomped him with 3 of his hommies on cbs and if he lost then everyone would have made a big deal about him needing a "Posse" to help him beat 1 guy and garbage like that. So no matter how apealing that fight is, it will always be tanted for Diaz. ( Now before you Diaz junkies get all upitty re-read what I wrote I did not say nick was afraid or anything of that nature so relax and breathe)
supatolacyl
4/28/11 12:17:17AM
crap double posted it
tcunningham
4/28/11 3:03:23AM
im just glad to see mayhem in the ufc. i think hes a very legit fighter. he's very underrated IMO. i dont think the ufc will let him get away with his crazy entrances though
RearNakedJoke
4/28/11 3:41:28AM
I find this unfair treatment. If Mayhem is banned from CBS and Showtime then they should ban Gus Johnson as well. Its only fair.
BeeR
4/28/11 6:11:23AM
I think the brass totally sent mayhem into the ring, other wise, there is no way in hell he would have got in there, fighter or not, you cant just walk into the cage.
I dont buy it for a minute
I dont buy it for a minute
postman
4/28/11 7:31:24AM
Posted by Makaveli158
That's the way the world works folks. Throw Miller, who doesn't have too much star power, under the bus and let the money makers walk free. Miller shouldn't have got in the cage in the first place, but the Gracie team didn't react in a professional matter either. It all worked out for Miller though, he is in the UFC now and if he performs well he can welcome a bigger paycheck.
Miller is a bigger draw then Gill and Jake and pretty close if not bigger then Nick as well. The guy has a show on MTV thats in its all important 3rd season. Thats why the move to the UFC is so big.
On a side note, Funny how these people make a living off of fighting, are paid to fight, train to fight, promoted as fighters.....but when a situation such as the Nashville Brawl occurs and the FIGHTERS respond like FIGHTERS suddenly there is a big ****** problem for everyone involved....... It's kinda like a tiger that attacks someone in a zoo, the tiger didn't go crazy - the tiger went TIGER. What do you expect?
Should just give everyone a fine and let them go about their business.
A Pro Fighter should never respond to that situation the way the scrap pack did. Pros don't act like that. We see fighters brought into the cage to hype fights all the time and that never happens. Granted Jason kinda just poped in but you still don't act that way. At least not if your a Pro.
jgtribbett
4/30/11 5:42:15PM
something I know from being around bjj academies, is that the brazilians will talk **** and hate other fighters and trainers simply because they aren't affiliated.
With that being said, I don't believe Cesar.
With that being said, I don't believe Cesar.
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