Carwin: Fedor is going to become irrelevant at Strikeforce

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MMAcca
9/2/09 12:45:36AM
UFC heavyweight number one contender, Shane Carwin gave his thoughts on Fedor Emelianenko recently signing with Strikeforce, saying the Russian could have gone down as the greatest of all time but he chose to seek protection, just as he has done in recent years.

When asked about the recent comments made that Strikeforce offers Fedor a better challenge at heavyweight, Carwin scoffed:










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Copenhagen
9/2/09 1:06:42AM
Fedor is still brought up in just about every interview, especially during other heavyweight's interviews. So I'm sure he will stay relevant.
jae_1833
9/2/09 3:00:42AM
Most definately, you know your at the top of the game when all of your fellow competitors are hatin'!
mentalcase
9/2/09 4:24:58AM
Fedor made the choice to fight lesser quality opponents for less money then he would have made at the UFC, Fedor is just concerned with preserving his record at this point

Aether
9/2/09 4:57:12AM
As far as all of the information indicates, Fedor didn't make any choice because he was not legally capable of doing so, M-1 Global made the decision.

The whole "He's afraid of losing" thing is getting pretty old at this point and we all know that it logically makes no sense at all, because if he were to lose in Strikeforce he would be damaging his reputation infinitely worse than if he lost in a title match in the UFC.

People have been saying the same things for years, and even when he moved to Affliction and fought Sylvia, Arlovski, and signed to fight Barnett people somehow still find a way to fit that he's being protected into their arguments. Randy is a God amongst men when he takes Sylvia to a decision and then Fedor is fighting washed up fighters when he demolishes him in 30 seconds.

Do I think going to strikeforce was a good decision? No. But it seems like he really had little say in the matter since the UFC were negotiating with M-1 and not Fedor himself. They're doing whatever they possibly can to grow their company, and they don't seem to care at all about the fighters they manage, the shadiness that went down with Mousassi and M-1 really reinforces that point.

I don't like him being in strikeforce very much but I'll leave judgment on Fedor himself until his M-1 contract expires and he makes up his own mind on what to do.
Aether
9/2/09 5:06:19AM
As far as Carwin... Well, I had a good laugh reading those words out of an article that is squeezed into half of the page next to a massive picture in bold lettering of Fedor. LOL.
tomp6581
9/2/09 5:19:04AM
Carwin, in the great scheme on things YOU are irrelevant now. The fact that all everyone talks about is Fedor means, by definition, his is not irrelevant.

Fedors last 2 opponents where, at the time, top 5 opponents. Barnett would have been another top 5 opponent. So considering that the last 3 opponents Fedor has trained for were all top 5, how is he even ducking the best guys?

How many top 5 guys has Carwin faced? none.
How many top 10 guys has he faced? One. The highly inconsistent Gonzaga.

The Idea that all because a fighter isn’t with the UFC they suddenly become less skilled and irrelevant is just stupid and I don’t understand it at all.

Look at the best UFC fighter. Anderson Silva.
He has never been challenged in the UFC. Walked through everyone.
Where did he come from? His previous opponents were Tony Fryklund, Okami, Curtis Stout and Jorge Rivera. So that must mean that he is only as skilled these fighters. That is until he signed a UFC contract then (like Popeye eating spinach) he suddenly become a much more skilled fighter.

Should Fedor have signed with the UFC?....Yes.
Is he going to become irrelevant by fighting for Strikeforce 3 times?....No.
Would Fedor beat Carwin. Absolutely.


tomp6581
9/2/09 5:25:56AM

Posted by mentalcase

Fedor made the choice to fight lesser quality opponents for less money then he would have made at the UFC, Fedor is just concerned with preserving his record at this point




Fedor is under a contract with M-1. 3 fights left of a 6 fight contact.

M-1 will only co-promote.

UFC never co-promote.

Strikefore will co-promote.

M-1 do a deal with Strikeforce for the remaining 3 fights of Fedors contract.

The UFC was never an option, because of Fedors contract.

After that, when he IS a free agent. if he then chooses to sign with someone else, then your point is valid. Now, you just look ill-informed.
mentalcase
9/2/09 6:54:21AM

Posted by tomp6581


Posted by mentalcase

Fedor made the choice to fight lesser quality opponents for less money then he would have made at the UFC, Fedor is just concerned with preserving his record at this point




Fedor is under a contract with M-1. 3 fights left of a 6 fight contact.

M-1 will only co-promote.

UFC never co-promote.

Strikefore will co-promote.

M-1 do a deal with Strikeforce for the remaining 3 fights of Fedors contract.

The UFC was never an option, because of Fedors contract.

After that, when he IS a free agent. if he then chooses to sign with someone else, then your point is valid. Now, you just look ill-informed.




Hey do you know that Fedor is part owner of M1 global, if he wanted to fight in the UFC he would have made it happen

this "co-promotion" bullshit is russian for if fedor fights for the UFC he takes half the money

Dana went to talk with fedor to make a deal, he offered him a very reasonable offer but it was clear from the start Fedor (M1 global) did not want to do a deal
AO
9/2/09 7:52:19AM

Posted by mentalcase


Posted by tomp6581


Posted by mentalcase

Fedor made the choice to fight lesser quality opponents for less money then he would have made at the UFC, Fedor is just concerned with preserving his record at this point




Fedor is under a contract with M-1. 3 fights left of a 6 fight contact.

M-1 will only co-promote.

UFC never co-promote.

Strikefore will co-promote.

M-1 do a deal with Strikeforce for the remaining 3 fights of Fedors contract.

The UFC was never an option, because of Fedors contract.

After that, when he IS a free agent. if he then chooses to sign with someone else, then your point is valid. Now, you just look ill-informed.




Hey do you know that Fedor is part owner of M1 global, if he wanted to fight in the UFC he would have made it happen

this "co-promotion" bullshit is russian for if fedor fights for the UFC he takes half the money

Dana went to talk with fedor to make a deal, he offered him a very reasonable offer but it was clear from the start Fedor (M1 global) did not want to do a deal



I still find it crazy that people spout this random speculation as fact. You dont know a god damn thing about what % fedor owns of M1, if any. You dont have a clue what was said in those meetings at ANY level of detail thus making these claims of yours complete unsubstantiated garbage.


Back on topic, Carwin is most likely just talking out of his ass to fill up interview space.


tomp6581
9/2/09 9:26:10AM

Posted by mentalcase


Posted by tomp6581


Posted by mentalcase

Fedor made the choice to fight lesser quality opponents for less money then he would have made at the UFC, Fedor is just concerned with preserving his record at this point




Fedor is under a contract with M-1. 3 fights left of a 6 fight contact.

M-1 will only co-promote.

UFC never co-promote.

Strikefore will co-promote.

M-1 do a deal with Strikeforce for the remaining 3 fights of Fedors contract.

The UFC was never an option, because of Fedors contract.

After that, when he IS a free agent. if he then chooses to sign with someone else, then your point is valid. Now, you just look ill-informed.




Hey do you know that Fedor is part owner of M1 global, if he wanted to fight in the UFC he would have made it happen

this "co-promotion" bullshit is russian for if fedor fights for the UFC he takes half the money

Dana went to talk with fedor to make a deal, he offered him a very reasonable offer but it was clear from the start Fedor (M1 global) did not want to do a deal




SHERDOG

Here is a link to an interview with Fedor.

At about 1:00 in, Fedor is asked something along the lines of...
"do you have to have a co-promotion in order to fight?"
He then replies that he has 3 fights left on his current contract, a contract he is happy with, after that then he will see.

I have no doubt he may own shares in M-1. But that is different to having a fighting contract.
How much equity does he have?
How many other people have shares in m-1?
Can he make important business decisions?
Did he own part of M-1 when he fought in Pride?

There is alot of questions surronding his "ownership" of m-1 that would directly impact on his individual ability to "made it happen".

What we do know is this;

Fedor is under contact a six- fight deal with M-1.
And untill this contract ends, he will never sign with the UFC.

Just imagine for 1 second, that Fedor is desperate to sign with the UFC. I mean absoluteley desperate. From a legal point of view, he couldnt. Unless M-1 gave thier permission...becasuse, he is UNDER CONTRACT.
Rush
9/2/09 9:41:27AM
I find it funny that Carwin says this, but regardless of what happens to Carwin in the UFC and regardless of what happens to Fedor in Strikeforce, I am certain that Carwin would jump at the chance to fight Fedor
Aether
9/2/09 10:21:49AM
I have no doubt he would either, and this really sounds like Dana White induced UFC propaganda. I've never really seen Carwin talk bad about anyone other than Brock, but that's to be expected in pre-fight hype.

It's kind of strange because by repeatedly talking about him in interviews they MAKE him relevant. If the UFC really wants to try to make Fedor irrelevant, they could probably strong-arm most of their fighters into refusing to answer Fedor questions, but I'm sure Dana realizes this is more or less a way to keep him relevant without giving him any credit until he comes to the UFC. This way they can discredit him on condition that he isn't in the UFC, so that if he does come to the UFC, they can flip instantly without sounding like total hypocrites.
Jesse_Canadian_MMA
9/2/09 10:48:40AM
hey did anyone see the animated youtube videos of Dana White talking to Fedor and Fedors management-------hilarious

I was going to post the links but there is swearing and i suppose may be offensive
but they are on youtube uncensored-its a cartoon if you just type dana white negotiates with fedors management, theres about 12 vids all funny
Rush
9/2/09 10:53:28AM

Posted by Aether

I have no doubt he would either, and this really sounds like Dana White induced UFC propaganda. I've never really seen Carwin talk bad about anyone other than Brock, but that's to be expected in pre-fight hype.

It's kind of strange because by repeatedly talking about him in interviews they MAKE him relevant. If the UFC really wants to try to make Fedor irrelevant, they could probably strong-arm most of their fighters into refusing to answer Fedor questions, but I'm sure Dana realizes this is more or less a way to keep him relevant without giving him any credit until he comes to the UFC. This way they can discredit him on condition that he isn't in the UFC, so that if he does come to the UFC, they can flip instantly without sounding like total hypocrites.



I agree with this and your above post.

(now that's a rare event) lol
AnDeRsonDaSiLvA
9/2/09 2:32:48PM

Posted by mentalcase

Fedor made the choice to fight lesser quality opponents for less money then he would have made at the UFC, Fedor is just concerned with preserving his record at this point



Hey do you know that Fedor is part owner of M1 global, if he wanted to fight in the UFC he would have made it happen

this "co-promotion" bullshit is russian for if fedor fights for the UFC he takes half the money

Dana went to talk with fedor to make a deal, he offered him a very reasonable offer but it was clear from the start Fedor (M1 global) did not want to do a deal




So as a PART OWNER , that gives him the authority to choose to abandon the current contracts he's tied up with? I wonder what the other PART OWNERS would think about that? Can you please post your copy of the fedor's contract with M1 ? I think that will clear things up . While your at it , post your copy of the contract offer sent to fedor from the UFC . Thanks


" The best heavyweight in the world is Brock Lesnar. He just beat Frank Mir to prove it. "


who needs fedor when we can bring ian freeman out of retirement .
Hendo67
9/2/09 3:05:24PM
Man i'm so tired of these conversations, there's at least two threads about this per day, and the same comments are shared.

"He's scarred" "He's ducking" "He doesn't want to fight the best"

Gogoplatapus
9/2/09 4:06:49PM
Carwin may just be irrelevant after Lesnar.
mrsmiley
9/2/09 4:06:59PM
A lot of people made great points on this thread.

The bottom line is we will never fully know everything that has went down in the contract negotiations between M-1 and the UFC over Fedor.
Both sides give conflicting stories but I tend to believe what Fedor and Fedor alone says for most of the matter.
That's not saying everything he says is true,but I believe what most of what Fedor is saying he believes to be true.

I think before anyone to come to any concrete conclusion on why Fedor is not with the UFC,we would have to see what happens when his contract with M-1 is up.

But regardless of opinion, I think anyone is going to have an uphill arguement to make in stating Fedor is irrelevant or is becoming irrelevant.
The last 3 fights (though the Barnett fight didn't happen) were against top 10 competition.
It doesn't matter how you want to cut it with big Timmy and AA.
UFC proponnents in the whole "PRIDE war era" were saying for a long time both these guys would take Fedor. Fedor beat both when they sat in the top 10 rankings. Despite what may of happened afterwards.

And it seems like that ever slowly Fedor is attracting more attention..
At his last press conference he was not only sporting the EA logo but also the Nike logo.
He carried the oylmpic torch and also frequently is in the company of Vladmir Putin (spell check).

Even if you make a solid case for why Fedor may not be the best HW in the world,you will certainly have a hard time proving he is not the most distinguished.
Boo_Radley21
9/2/09 4:53:12PM
I agree with Carwin
crushedbacon
9/2/09 6:49:03PM
LOL....Fedor will never become irrelevant. Carwins's mouth is movin too much lately, he's starting to believe his own hype. For a guy that's fought a bunch of nobodies he should shut his mouth. Dudes 34 or 35 years old with one meaningful win to his credit, he should check himself. Fedor has forgotten more about MMA then Carwin will ever know, believe that.
EliasG
9/2/09 7:05:40PM
You are only irrelevent when people STOP talking about you.

Fedor has much more fighting to make him relevant than Carwin will ever get the chance to have in the UFC.

Remember it was only a few months ago that we were ALL saying that the UFC lacked talent and that it was a weak division. Here is the thing, they have some talent, and some unproven talent, and some guys that are aging.

The best ones:
Nog (aging) , Cotoure (aging), Lesnar is young and good but how good? We all see the raging hole and we also see the amazing physical attributes. Carwin--who has won convincingly but has he EVER been tested? He caught Gonzaga and that's his ONLY notable win. Mir--he's ALWAYS been hit or miss and has been KO'able. Kongo--still hasn't put it all together but a fair talent. Jr. Dos Santos? no idea how good he can/will be. Cain? A bit exposed in the Kongo fight IMO. BUT at least we know what he does when tested.

Is that a world beater line up? I think not. Is it some solid talent. Sure. But let's not get carried away and think that it is "DEEP" like the Lt. Heavyweight division is where you can't help but trip over a guy talented enough to be Champ on a given night.
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