Posted by billfold9
k ill rub it in ur face when it happens.cause u guys are dumb enough to think cain will win.
It's not a matter of "being dumb enough" although that's not really a logic argument and borderlines on you attempting to start a flamewar with myself and DosBox, it's a matter of setting aside your fan bias and examine this fight for what it's worth.
Cain took Lesnar down. Lesnar was unable to keep Cain on the ground or advance any sort of position on either take-down he "scored" on Velasquez. I put scored in emphasis because I don't even know if the judges would have considered the second one a take-down.
Of the three of them, Lesnar had the toughest "competition" in his collegiate day. This doesn't mean he faced the toughest consistent competition, however, as DosBox pointed out, Cain wrestled Mocco, Konrad, Wagner and more. The biggest test Lesnar faced was Stephen Neal. Neal is by far the best wrestler out of anyone that any of the three faced. Matter of fact, Neal is an alum of my University and a regular contributor to our program. I'm not going to list Neal's accomplishments here because if you're making this claim that Carwin could out wrestle Velasquez then I assume you have some working knowledge of collegiate wrestling.
Mocco or Konrad were the best that Velasquez face, but neither one of those two men saw the success in amateur wrestling that Neal saw.
As for striking, I don't understand on what you're basing your opinion of Carwin's striking being better than Velasquez's striking. Cain has great head movement, good footwork, mixes his kicks with his punches, and changes levels when needed.
As DosBox stated, Carwin plods forward and utilizes fairly limited head movement and footwork.
I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the possibility of a one-punch knockout delivered by Carwin. You seem to be forgetting that Velasquez has power behind his shots as well. Velasquez was featured on a segment of sports science and these were the results:
Velasquez's heart rate maxes out at 167 BPM, very low, on par with elite endurance athletes -
Velasquez's punch registers at 2230 lbs of force, a harder punch than any boxer ever measured in the Sport Science lab -
Velasquez's takedown generates 5000 watts of power in his hips and 2700 lbs of force, on par with NFL defensive pro Dwight Freeney
James Toney only punched with 1300 lbs of force. Cain Velasquez had almost a thousand pounds of force more behind one of his punches than James Toney does.
It's absurd to think that Cain can't deliver the same knockout blow that Carwin can. Cain can clearly wrestle with the biggest men in the HW division. Carwin is nowhere near as explosive with his wrestling as Lesnar. Carwin's power is negated when he's on his back, just like most power punchers and Cain possesses more than enough wrestling ability to put him on his back.
To say Carwin would win is fine, to dismiss the skill-set of Velasquez and say he has no chance against Carwin is poor analysis. Also, I don't know what training regiments you've ever employed, or how old you are, but you do NOT improve your cardio much more than Carwin already has at his age. Carwin is a man who constantly stays in shape and works out, it's not like he suddenly forgot what cardio training was once he left college. You may just have to face the simple fact that cardiovascular system does not get better with age as you get older.
You can hope and pray to your little heart's content that Carwin is a miracle athlete who gets better with age, but I'm thinking his body is probably close to about as prime as it can be, and he's just too big of a guy to sustain that level of energy at his age for a 25 minute fight. Science is against your opinions, but believe whatever you want.