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emfleek
7/31/08 11:22:24PM
Holy f'ing crap!!!

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(CNN) -- As horrified travelers watched, a Greyhound Canada bus passenger repeatedly stabbed and then decapitated a young man who was sitting and sleeping beside him, a witness said Thursday.

"There was a bloodcurdling scream. I was just reading my book, and all of a sudden, I heard it," Garnet Caton, who was sitting in front of the two men, said of the Wednesday night incident west of Portage la Prairie in Manitoba.

"It was like something between a dog howling and a baby crying, I guess you could say," Caton said. "I don't think it will leave me for a while."

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Jackelope
7/31/08 11:58:56PM
juanez13
8/1/08 12:05:18AM
cmill21
8/1/08 12:05:26AM
Yeah that was a weird one. Kid was apperently only 19 years old. I wish we had the death penalty for things like this but I know that if he ends up in the PA pen he'll get a worse penalty.
Khaos
8/1/08 12:06:31AM
Dude, what the **** is wrong with people today ????
Svartorm
8/1/08 12:09:11AM
Good thing Greyhound has that "No Weapons" policy to keep things like this from happening.......oh wait!

I also like how the police chief commended everyones bravery, for running off the bus and letting a 19 year old kid be killed. He must be related to the guy who gave General MacArthur the Medal of Honor for retreating.
murphy_16
8/1/08 12:46:10AM
holly **** he just chopped the guys head off and just let everyon get off
scottsec
8/1/08 1:30:57AM
That is messed up.....people are ******..
juanez13
8/1/08 9:34:52AM

Posted by Svartorm


I also like how the police chief commended everyones bravery, for running off the bus and letting a 19 year old kid be killed. He must be related to the guy who gave General MacArthur the Medal of Honor for retreating.



I think he was Referring to this->


Passengers exited the bus, and a trucker who stopped provided wrenches and crowbars to several of them so they could keep the suspect on the bus until police came, witnesses told Canadian TV
casey64
8/1/08 1:53:58PM
jiujitsufreak74
8/1/08 2:25:59PM

Posted by juanez13


Posted by Svartorm


I also like how the police chief commended everyones bravery, for running off the bus and letting a 19 year old kid be killed. He must be related to the guy who gave General MacArthur the Medal of Honor for retreating.



I think he was Referring to this->


Passengers exited the bus, and a trucker who stopped provided wrenches and crowbars to several of them so they could keep the suspect on the bus until police came, witnesses told Canadian TV



what i don't get is why they didn't use the wenches and crobars to beat the guy down or why they didn't gang up on the guy to stop him from...ummmm`i don't know...KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BIEING!!! i am sickened about the fact that a bus load of people allowed the guy to continue. if he had a knife, there is no way he can defend himself against 4, 5 people at the same time. incidents like this make me lose faith in or species
mikevolz
8/1/08 2:57:03PM
being in a knife fight is very frightening. especially if you don't have a knife.
gsquat
8/1/08 3:02:08PM

Posted by mikevolz

being in a knife fight is very frightening. especially if you don't have a knife.





But seriously though... as a result of this story I can no longer ride a bus, (never had any intention of doing so anyway) and I can no longer sleep. Especially next to a guy with a butcher knife.
DoTheMMAth
8/1/08 3:55:09PM

Posted by Svartorm

I also like how the police chief commended everyones bravery, for running off the bus and letting a 19 year old kid be killed. He must be related to the guy who gave General MacArthur the Medal of Honor for retreating.



Jesus Christ, QFT
telnights
8/1/08 3:57:27PM
People just make me sick now days. Whats the real crime here is that no one on that bus tried to help the kid. Not a single person they all just ran in fear. In some states this is seen as a crime when you see someone being attacked and you do nothing your just as responsible as the person committing the attack.
DoTheMMAth
8/1/08 4:04:32PM
Kinda funny to see you reply, considering your avatar is a decapitated head spinning in the air lol.

But yeah... where is the common love of neighbor that existed back in the Leave it to Beaver days?

I honestly don't know how I would have reacted. I can't punch my way out of a paper bag but in the back of my mind I would love to think that I'd armbar whatever arm he was knife-wielding with. How f'd up in the head do you have to be to stab someone you don't even know in the neck then take their head off without any provocation on their part? Yet another incident in the un-ending list of items that take away everyone's faith in humanity
Svartorm
8/1/08 11:58:26PM

Posted by juanez13


Posted by Svartorm


I also like how the police chief commended everyones bravery, for running off the bus and letting a 19 year old kid be killed. He must be related to the guy who gave General MacArthur the Medal of Honor for retreating.



I think he was Referring to this->


Passengers exited the bus, and a trucker who stopped provided wrenches and crowbars to several of them so they could keep the suspect on the bus until police came, witnesses told Canadian TV



Great, so 32 ARMED people stood around and waited while someone methodically decapitated a 19 year old boy.

Its odd becuase Hippysmacker and I talked about this on the phone a week or so ago. Honestly, I haven't been in this EXACT situation, but I've been in similar ones, and I can honestly say two things.

1. I never walked away.
2. If I had, I couldn't have lived with myself.
Jackelope
8/2/08 12:40:34AM
There are those who have been trained to stand up against this kind of activity. Those people have the strength of mind and the presence of mind to make the right decision. Unfortunately, those people are few and far between.

I've been in a lot of scary, scary situations where death was on the line and did happen many a times. People get gripped by fear and it's even worse when they don't realize what's going on. The fight or flight reaction kicks in and for a lot of people who've never been trained one way or another the flight reaction is stronger. Survival is the most basic human instinct.

Apply this thought process to this situation. When it's happening to an outsider you don't know and your own life is at risk it's easy to see why people ran in fear. They protected their own hides because self preservation trumps sacrifice- especially in the case of an unknown being harmed. It's sad but it's very true.

All that being said I honestly can't say what I would have done. Even being a trained martial artist and soldier. I can't imagine myself doing anything but trying to help, but then again, that's the outside looking in. For every time I was blown up by an IED or shot at I reacted differently. Sometimes I had a momentary pause and other times I didn't skip a beat in my reactions. I never froze up, but I saw people I respected (and still respect) freeze up. It can happen and especially when general panic strikes the entire crowd. People feed off the emotions of others around them.

It's a sad testament to society that people wouldn't fight, but it's certainly not the people on the bus who are at fault.

ko-kbo130
8/2/08 12:42:25AM
how loud do you have to be snoring to provoke someone to decapitate you..

just kidding.. people are ******* nuts and how does nobody help the poor kid..
Sam_Rothstein
8/2/08 1:20:20AM

Posted by Svartorm



Great, so 32 ARMED people stood around and waited while someone methodically decapitated a 19 year old boy.





LOL no shit, props

Svartorm
8/2/08 3:04:41AM

Posted by Jackelope

There are those who have been trained to stand up against this kind of activity. Those people have the strength of mind and the presence of mind to make the right decision. Unfortunately, those people are few and far between.

I've been in a lot of scary, scary situations where death was on the line and did happen many a times. People get gripped by fear and it's even worse when they don't realize what's going on. The fight or flight reaction kicks in and for a lot of people who've never been trained one way or another the flight reaction is stronger. Survival is the most basic human instinct.

Apply this thought process to this situation. When it's happening to an outsider you don't know and your own life is at risk it's easy to see why people ran in fear. They protected their own hides because self preservation trumps sacrifice- especially in the case of an unknown being harmed. It's sad but it's very true.

All that being said I honestly can't say what I would have done. Even being a trained martial artist and soldier. I can't imagine myself doing anything but trying to help, but then again, that's the outside looking in. For every time I was blown up by an IED or shot at I reacted differently. Sometimes I had a momentary pause and other times I didn't skip a beat in my reactions. I never froze up, but I saw people I respected (and still respect) freeze up. It can happen and especially when general panic strikes the entire crowd. People feed off the emotions of others around them.

It's a sad testament to society that people wouldn't fight, but it's certainly not the people on the bus who are at fault.




I can totally see what you're saying, and you definitely have more high-intensity combative experience than myself, but in a way I do consider it the passengers fault for not helping.

I'm very critical (perhaps overly critical) of people and the time they spend on Earth, and I don't think there are very many people who have never had an opportunity to learn combatives. Damn near every school has a wrestling team, some even have boxing and judo clubs, and there are boxing gyms and martial arts studios everywhere you look. In the same way it would be my fault if I cut myself in my kitchen and bled to death because I never learned basic first aid, its a man or womans fault if something like that happens in their presence and they take no action whatsoever, even after being armed and having a moment to sort themselves out.
jiujitsufreak74
8/2/08 3:16:34AM
the thing is, the guy only had a knife. that's it. you get 2 guys to go up behind him and grab the arm that has the knife and BAM, you got him. i know 100% that i would have done something in that situation and i am sickened that the people left...IN SINGLE FILE!!!!and walked past this mad man as he carved up an innocent boy. that is disgusting to me and i hope that all of those people are haunted by this memory for the rest of their lives. just to imagine the people seeing this happening, deciding to not help and then walk away past the guy while he is calmly murdering another human being is heart wrenching. there is no excuse other than cowardice and selfishness. it is just pathetic. the more and more i think about this the angrier i get.

still can't believe NO ONE did anything on a bus of at least 30 people. really hurts my perspective on the human race.
telnights
8/2/08 3:41:11AM
/rant on/ As a x-cop I can tell you some people help some people run but I find it disturbing that out of 32 people and not one had a spine. We live in a crazy world and I seen the scum of the earth daily during my time as a cop but running away because you claim your were scared is no accuses for not taking any action to help. Let me put this other way do think they knew it was man he was doing this to and if it was a child or a woman do you think they would have acted any different. You see the people didn't help because they were more worried about helping themselves then helping the 19 year old kid from getting his head cut off. 32 armed people sat outside this bus while this kid was getting killed and did nothing other than keep the killer on the bus. Then you also have to look at it from the victims point of view. Do you think if it was you that you would have cared that they stopped this guy from leaving the bus. NO because you would be dead and you might have lived but because no one took any action to help you your now dead. Trained or not trained it was wrong and for someone to commend them for there bravery just makes it even worse. I cant feel more strongly about this because the family of that kid could give a rats ass that they stopped the guy from leaving the bus what they want to know is why no one helped their son and rightfully so. /rant off/


Posted by DoTheMMAth

Kinda funny to see you reply, considering your avatar is a decapitated head spinning in the air lol.

But yeah... where is the common love of neighbor that existed back in the Leave it to Beaver days?

I honestly don't know how I would have reacted. I can't punch my way out of a paper bag but in the back of my mind I would love to think that I'd armbar whatever arm he was knife-wielding with. How f'd up in the head do you have to be to stab someone you don't even know in the neck then take their head off without any provocation on their part? Yet another incident in the un-ending list of items that take away everyone's faith in humanity



My AV is just that an AV its based from the movie 300 which I happen to be a huge fan of and in no way would I ever cut someones head off unless forced to do so by that person to protect myself or others.


Jackelope
8/2/08 10:38:39AM
In all honesty the kid was probably long gone before anybody had a chance to do anything. I'm sure he'd been stabbed in the neck several times before anybody had a chance to react. Especially considering he went about it without precluding his actions with shouting.

Everyone has good points. People SHOULD have done something, but they didn't. You can certainly talk trash about the guy calling them "brave" because they absolutely do not deserve that title, but at the same time (I'm sorry if I'll take heat for this) you can't lay a guilt trip on the people that were there. They're probably going to feel that guilt for the rest of their lives already.

We had a dude in my unit who got into some heavy shit on a guard tower. Once the RPG's started hitting his guard tower he dropped his rifle and ran away. (no shit honest to God truth) This guy was a ******* SGT in the U.S. Army and he left a couple of privates and a specialist to fight for themselves on that guard tower. Now THAT mother ****** deserves every label of coward that could ever be given to him. Because it was his job not only as a soldier, but as a ******* SERGEANT to stand in the face of danger and fight.

The difference in that situation and this situation is that again.. he was trained to deal with these situations. Nobody knows what these 32 people on the bus looked like. 16 of them could have been old bags and another 10 could have been young kids. That still leaves 10 able bodied individuals to deal with this guy, sure, but really it's not like there were 32 in shape 16-35 year old males armed with wrenches and crowbars. Which, by the way, when they were armed with crowbars and wrenches was after they had all escaped the bus and then had the weapons handed to them. (At which point the victim was definitely long gone)

So once again- I'm just trying to shed light on the reality of the situation. Yes, everyone here that watches fighting and 50% of whom are fighters or have trained would like to think they would do something. I'm just saying as F'd up as this situation is it's a whole hell of a lot easier to deal with when you're reading a news story online than when you're actually in the situation. Some people could have had their own little kids with them that they needed to protect and get off the bus, etc. etc. There's a lot of variables and I think what needs to be focused on here is first off- the ****** up dude who did this. Second off- the people who stood by and did nothing. As I said before the whole situation (from all angles) is a sad testament to the society we live in. It's also a reason why I believe in the right to bear arms.
Linye
8/2/08 1:50:25PM
That was a fight between inmortals... a la Highlander.
Naturaldisaster
8/2/08 3:52:57PM
You would think maybe the people behind the guy would grab him! one person grab him another take the knife, then beat the guys ass! people are so dumb these days.
murphy_16
8/2/08 7:37:57PM
wow help him? the asian guy had a butchers knife the kid was dead long gone you go and try help and he just stabs you and you're dead why would you kill yourself to help a kid who is already dead like man come on if it was you you would of fuking ran i know i would have. the dude has a fuking butchers knife i have nothing if i go in im just gonna get killed to for wat to save a dead kid?
Kracker_Jap
8/2/08 7:48:57PM

This is a very horrible story my prayers go out to the young mans family, before I blame the people to scared to act

Whith that being said.....

Every body is different some people do the right thing and others turn there head

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