Posted by Cooler
I'm gonna play 's advocate here.
1) In Carwins defense, if he had been fighting anyone else except the UFC's cash cow then that fight probably gets stopped more often than not can you agree? I like it when fighters come back from beatings and win like Brock did but with different refs you can get vastly different results as well. I personally think the Carwin fight is a legit win for Brock but it is a bit tarnished because of the damage he was allowed to take without a TKO being called.
But that's pure speculation. There have any been tons of fights over the years where champions especially have been given the benefit of the doubt when they weren't in serious trouble, and the ref knew they did not want to end the fight unless absolutely necessary.
2) Nog outgrappled Randy. I cant recall if he got taken down but it doesnt make much differnce to me, you were talking about Randy being very technical for his size but then Nog comes along and whips the floor with Randy. I have no doubt Nog would have beaten Brock at any point after seeing both of their fights, along with a lot of other good heavyweights. Its hard not to admit Brock was given the easy road and leapfrogged more worthy contenders for the belt, like Werdum and Nog both of whom I would pick over Brock as well.
It can be argued that Nog outgrappled Randy for sure, but he didn't out-wrestle him. How can you say that Nog would be more successful than Mir? Mir got absolutely obliterated, and he's a pretty good boxer himself. Nog relies on technical boxing (which isn't the fastest in the world btw), and his jits. These are Mir's traits as well, but Lesnar blasted right through him. I think Nog would be mince meat, as would Werdum, easily.
3) Lets be real though, Herring has never had good takedown defense even in his prime against Nog, he was taking him down at will. And I like the other posters point about Herring basically retiring after the Brock fight because he was probably coming to the end of his career in that fight. Had he beaten Brock he probably gets a title shot but he's retired now none the less (unless he plans a comeback?) and was never realistically a top guy at HW except back in Pride where he didnt fight strong grapplers as much
He didn't retire because of Brock though, he went on to make movies after that, and according to Heath himself, hasn't been able to come to agreements with Zuffa about fights. He was scheduled to fight Velasquez in 2009, but got injured.
4) I think the other posters point is Brock had been matched up with guys he could take down easily to work his ground and pound. I mean if Maz didnt stop the ground and pound before Mir got the kneebar then Brock maybe wouldve gotten a title shot right after a TKO win over Mir but at least he wouldnt have a 2-1 record going into a title fight. The undeserved title shot with a 2-1 record without avenging the loss before the the title fight was a really strange situation for the HW division. It should have been just been Nog vs. Randy (champ vs interim champ) but the UFC decided they wanted Brock to win the title or go into gatekeeper status and handed him the title shot, forcing Nog to fight Mir to defend an interim belt lol it had shenanigans written all over it.
Sorry, end rant
What does matchmaking have to do with Lesnar though? Whether it should have been Lesnar or Big Nog is irrelevant, Lesnar got the opportunity, beat the champ, beat the interim champ, and beat Carwin to become the undisputed hw champ.
Whether he was deserving of the title shot or not is moot, because he took advantage of the opportunity and ran with it.