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tmas
12/31/11 2:34:01AM
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"LAS VEGAS -- Brock Lesnar took one last kick to his stomach and crumpled at the side of the cage, unable to fight back when Alistair Overeem pounced.

Lesnar had been finished by a 6-foot-5 Dutch kick boxer in the first round at UFC 141. A few minutes later, the UFC's former heavyweight champion finished his own meteoric mixed martial arts career.

Lesnar retired from the UFC after Overeem stopped him with one vicious kick to the body at 2:26 of the first round in their heavyweight bout Friday night, leaving the UFC heading into 2012 without its biggest pay-per-view star.

"This is the last time you'll see me in the octagon," Lesnar said."



This is the right move i think for him personally, i dont see him being able to beat top 3 HW so no title he is stuck, and will be nothing more then a title elim fighter...he is no longer truely relevent and doesnt seem to want to fight. Best to stop now keep a respectiableish record. Sucks for UFC a big loss PPV wise.
moob
12/31/11 5:24:10AM
Glad this whole charade is over. Never rated him as a fighter, but as everyone knows, when you're a big heavyweight you always have that chance. I hope this is the last WWE 'fighter' we have imported for ratings.
Geoffo
12/31/11 7:36:02AM
CAN YOU SEE ME NOWWWWWW

CANNNN YOU SEEE ME NOWWWWWWWWWWW

Not anymore apparently.
anthrofighter
12/31/11 8:15:55AM

Posted by moob

Glad this whole charade is over. Never rated him as a fighter, but as everyone knows, when you're a big heavyweight you always have that chance. I hope this is the last WWE 'fighter' we have imported for ratings.



then why did u pick him to win? show some respect man.
BeeR
12/31/11 8:52:25AM

Posted by moob

Glad this whole charade is over. Never rated him as a fighter, but as everyone knows, when you're a big heavyweight you always have that chance. I hope this is the last WWE 'fighter' we have imported for ratings.




well that just makes him even better then you think if he just beat Randy, Mir, Herring and Carwin by fluke right? you dont beat those guys "by chance" and by being big
Im not a Lesnar fan either, but that is absurd and borderline retarded.
mattjonesy
12/31/11 8:58:06AM
Why are people hating on Brock?? The guy was champ and beat some solid competition.
I would have loved to see Brock in his early 20s in MMA. Im surprised he came back at all after such a massive operation.
He brought MMA a ton of new fans and he will be missed, best of luck to him.
Lesnar1
12/31/11 9:39:14AM

Posted by mattjonesy

Why are people hating on Brock?? The guy was champ and beat some solid competition.
I would have loved to see Brock in his early 20s in MMA. Im surprised he came back at all after such a massive operation.
He brought MMA a ton of new fans and he will be missed, best of luck to him.



airkerma
12/31/11 10:22:43AM
Brock didn't look like he had his head in that fight at all. He didnt shoot even once on Overeem. I hope he wasn't just in there to collect a paycheck
moob
12/31/11 10:33:38AM

Posted by anthrofighter


Posted by moob

Glad this whole charade is over. Never rated him as a fighter, but as everyone knows, when you're a big heavyweight you always have that chance. I hope this is the last WWE 'fighter' we have imported for ratings.



then why did u pick him to win? show some respect man.


The answer to that is in my first post...
warglory
12/31/11 10:51:24AM

Posted by moob

Glad this whole charade is over. Never rated him as a fighter, but as everyone knows, when you're a big heavyweight you always have that chance. I hope this is the last WWE 'fighter' we have imported for ratings.



Charade eh? Do you say that about all former UFC champs?
emfleek
12/31/11 11:25:11AM

Posted by warglory


Posted by moob

Glad this whole charade is over. Never rated him as a fighter, but as everyone knows, when you're a big heavyweight you always have that chance. I hope this is the last WWE 'fighter' we have imported for ratings.



Charade eh? Do you say that about all former UFC champs?



Exactly. Shit like that is the reason I hate MMA fans sometimes.

Give me a f'ing break. He beat some of the sport's all-time greats and you're going to call it a charade?
grappler0000
12/31/11 11:52:47AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by warglory


Posted by moob

Glad this whole charade is over. Never rated him as a fighter, but as everyone knows, when you're a big heavyweight you always have that chance. I hope this is the last WWE 'fighter' we have imported for ratings.



Charade eh? Do you say that about all former UFC champs?



Exactly. Shit like that is the reason I hate MMA fans sometimes.

Give me a f'ing break. He beat some of the sport's all-time greats and you're going to call it a charade?



Not to mention taking on the best in the world after no amateur fights and only 1 pro fight. No padding of records, no tune up fights, no taking his time to develop his weaknesses like pretty much everyone else under the sun. Not bad for a charade. Barnett, Big Tim, Peter Aerts, JLB, and Sakuraba all had pro wresting matches last night, so I guess we'll hope those charades also come to an end shortly.
Dberntson
12/31/11 12:16:26PM
So Lesnar lost to the Demolition Man. He's not the first. That liver shot would have put most men down. Lesnar still would run over the majority of heavyweights, be a big gatekeeper and collect big $$. He accomplished a lot in a short career. The man earned a right to retire with no shame. Give the man credit for choosing his health and family over money and fame. The UFC is not a good place to be if your heart isn't in fighting anymore.
cowcatcher
12/31/11 12:24:57PM
Brock is going to have a place in the story when people look back at the sport years from now. He was a huge draw, an incredible athlete, and most impressively he came in and won against a couple of future hall of famers and a couple other guys that were considered near the top of the division at one point or another. The guy was a complete novice in the stand up game and didn't love to get hit, but he won anyways and even landed a couple of memorable strikes while on the feet against Herring and Randy. Those that discredit him only discredit themselves as fans of the sport and maybe as people by saying he was a farce, or a joke or whatever. He accomplished a shit ton in the short time he was in MMA.

Two side notes about the fight last night:
It seems to me that the little voice in Brock's head that was worried about getting hit in the stomach where he's had the surgeries was not so little and contributed to the way he looked out there last night. Having AO across from him may have had something to do with it too. I think it's natural for someone to worry about getting hit in the spot they had surgery on from a disease that could have killed them.

Secondly, when Brock talked, people in the arena STFU and listened. Not many guys carry that kind of power in this sport. Brock's involvement in MMA was a terrific thing for the sport and the UFC. It was a fun ride, we should be grateful.
Poor_Franklin
12/31/11 12:41:23PM

Posted by mattjonesy

Why are people hating on Brock?? The guy was champ and beat some solid competition.
I would have loved to see Brock in his early 20s in MMA. Im surprised he came back at all after such a massive operation.
He brought MMA a ton of new fans and he will be missed, best of luck to him.



keyboard warriors just love to hate
prophecy033
12/31/11 1:16:12PM
Am I the only one that is pissed that we all got screwed outta seeing how good he coulda been had he not been derailed by his disease. This guy had so much potential it was scary. Don't get me wrong, I'm not much for Brock, but hot Damn, this guy was a beast as soon as it hit the ground. I feared for Herring and Mir's lives. The UFC lost a Huge Star and we lost out on seeing what Brock could have done
RhythmAndStyle
12/31/11 1:34:23PM
LMFAO at ppl defending Brock..yeah he beat Carwin, but he didnt do anything impressive..he laid on the f*cking ground and than fill was able to take Carwin down after CARWIN gasd himself out..Randy was WAY past his prime and was STILL giving him trouble..how are u a NCAA champ and not take down a old man like Randy?..cuz he was no good!..please stop saying Mir and Herring..where HERRING??..no where to be found..and MIr?..he has NO TDD..imho, Brock has never shown me skills or any kinda improvement..sorry to be blasting the guy, but this guy was a joke and has been to me all along..sorry say what u want, its freedom of speech..i'm so glad Brock is gone..
warglory
12/31/11 2:59:00PM

Posted by RhythmAndStyle

LMFAO at ppl defending Brock..yeah he beat Carwin, but he didnt do anything impressive..he laid on the f*cking ground and than fill was able to take Carwin down after CARWIN gasd himself out..Randy was WAY past his prime and was STILL giving him trouble..how are u a NCAA champ and not take down a old man like Randy?..cuz he was no good!..please stop saying Mir and Herring..where HERRING??..no where to be found..and MIr?..he has NO TDD..imho, Brock has never shown me skills or any kinda improvement..sorry to be blasting the guy, but this guy was a joke and has been to me all along..sorry say what u want, its freedom of speech..i'm so glad Brock is gone..



1. He finished Carwin, who went 12-0, ALL with finishes in the first round (including Frank Mir and Gonzaga).

2. Randy is one of the best wrestlers in the hw division, because he is one of the best at physically controlling larger, and stronger opponents, which is the hallmark of a gifted wrestler. Randy was arguably an Olympic caliber wrestler at one time, and you question why a collegiate wrestler couldn't take him down? Can you name anyone else who has out-wrestled Randy?

3. Herring was a legit gate keeper at the time, and Brock's SECOND professional fight! The fact that Herring hasn't fought since has nothing to do with his inability to compete.

4. Mir just broke Big Nog's arm, cementing himself as the best HW BJJ practitioner in the world, yet his superb ground skills were no match for Brock, when he made hamburger out of Mir's face in their second encounter.

Any other examples of Brock's inferiority?
DrivenDavies15
12/31/11 3:48:45PM
Big fan of Overeem but it was tough for me to see Brock lose and retire. I kinda saw it coming after the fight because he really didn't look like the same Lesnar and the Diverticulitis surgery and everything. He did a lot for the sport in a short period of time which is amazing whether you like him or not. Dude was a great champion and will be missed!!
Manak
12/31/11 3:53:04PM
one thing he ill give brock is he really did seem real in the interview with joe rogan when he said he was done, it was good to see him show he really cared bout this. but man was anyone surprised at how easily overeem moved him around in the octagon. those body shots must have been brutal
Shawn91111
12/31/11 7:25:39PM
Moob is back in 07' form, I like it.
BuffaloDave
12/31/11 8:33:44PM

Posted by mattjonesy

He brought MMA a ton of new fans and he will be missed, best of luck to him.



I'm one of those fans he brought over, I never really gave mma the time of day until Brock came to the UFC. Ordered that ppv and been hooked ever since.
BuffaloDave
12/31/11 8:35:59PM

Posted by warglory


3. Herring was a legit gate keeper at the time, and Brock's SECOND professional fight! The fact that Herring hasn't fought since has nothing to do with his inability to compete.

Any other examples of Brock's inferiority?



That was his 3rd pro fight, Mir was his 2nd, which is a much tougher fight than Herring.
Cooler
12/31/11 11:29:42PM

Posted by warglory


Posted by RhythmAndStyle

LMFAO at ppl defending Brock..yeah he beat Carwin, but he didnt do anything impressive..he laid on the f*cking ground and than fill was able to take Carwin down after CARWIN gasd himself out..Randy was WAY past his prime and was STILL giving him trouble..how are u a NCAA champ and not take down a old man like Randy?..cuz he was no good!..please stop saying Mir and Herring..where HERRING??..no where to be found..and MIr?..he has NO TDD..imho, Brock has never shown me skills or any kinda improvement..sorry to be blasting the guy, but this guy was a joke and has been to me all along..sorry say what u want, its freedom of speech..i'm so glad Brock is gone..



1. He finished Carwin, who went 12-0, ALL with finishes in the first round (including Frank Mir and Gonzaga).

2. Randy is one of the best wrestlers in the hw division, because he is one of the best at physically controlling larger, and stronger opponents, which is the hallmark of a gifted wrestler. Randy was arguably an Olympic caliber wrestler at one time, and you question why a collegiate wrestler couldn't take him down? Can you name anyone else who has out-wrestled Randy?

3. Herring was a legit gate keeper at the time, and Brock's SECOND professional fight! The fact that Herring hasn't fought since has nothing to do with his inability to compete.

4. Mir just broke Big Nog's arm, cementing himself as the best HW BJJ practitioner in the world, yet his superb ground skills were no match for Brock, when he made hamburger out of Mir's face in their second encounter.

Any other examples of Brock's inferiority?



I'm gonna play 's advocate here.

1) In Carwins defense, if he had been fighting anyone else except the UFC's cash cow then that fight probably gets stopped more often than not can you agree? I like it when fighters come back from beatings and win like Brock did but with different refs you can get vastly different results as well. I personally think the Carwin fight is a legit win for Brock but it is a bit tarnished because of the damage he was allowed to take without a TKO being called.

2) Nog outgrappled Randy. I cant recall if he got taken down but it doesnt make much differnce to me, you were talking about Randy being very technical for his size but then Nog comes along and whips the floor with Randy. I have no doubt Nog would have beaten Brock at any point after seeing both of their fights, along with a lot of other good heavyweights. Its hard not to admit Brock was given the easy road and leapfrogged more worthy contenders for the belt, like Werdum and Nog both of whom I would pick over Brock as well.

3) Lets be real though, Herring has never had good takedown defense even in his prime against Nog, he was taking him down at will. And I like the other posters point about Herring basically retiring after the Brock fight because he was probably coming to the end of his career in that fight. Had he beaten Brock he probably gets a title shot but he's retired now none the less (unless he plans a comeback?) and was never realistically a top guy at HW except back in Pride where he didnt fight strong grapplers as much.

4) I think the other posters point is Brock had been matched up with guys he could take down easily to work his ground and pound. I mean if Maz didnt stop the ground and pound before Mir got the kneebar then Brock maybe wouldve gotten a title shot right after a TKO win over Mir but at least he wouldnt have a 2-1 record going into a title fight. The undeserved title shot with a 2-1 record without avenging the loss before the the title fight was a really strange situation for the HW division. It should have been just been Nog vs. Randy (champ vs interim champ) but the UFC decided they wanted Brock to win the title or go into gatekeeper status and handed him the title shot, forcing Nog to fight Mir to defend an interim belt lol it had shenanigans written all over it.


Sorry, end rant
Pookie
1/1/12 2:05:55AM
2 things i inferred and agreed with in this thread.

1 - Nog is the second best heavyweight ever, by a large margin.

2 - Carwin lost that fight, moreso from his own actions than Brocks. Big men gas. Don't punch yourself out homie.

Lastly, all the credit in the world to Brock. Clearly, he could beat me up. And he took a thunderous ass whoopin from Carwin and rebounded.
kingsmasher
1/1/12 12:05:34PM

Posted by moob

Glad this whole charade is over. Never rated him as a fighter, but as everyone knows, when you're a big heavyweight you always have that chance. I hope this is the last WWE 'fighter' we have imported for ratings.




You got to be kidding...I am all for bringing in WWE peeps and letting them get beat downs...More the merrier...

Brock didnt come to fight....Seriously now I think about it...Why would you train with Pat Barry to prepare yourself for Rheem? Does that sound like somsons serious about winning the fight...I shouldnt of picked Brock and thgouht of that...
kingsmasher
1/1/12 12:11:04PM

Posted by RhythmAndStyle

LMFAO at ppl defending Brock..yeah he beat Carwin, but he didnt do anything impressive..he laid on the f*cking ground and than fill was able to take Carwin down after CARWIN gasd himself out..Randy was WAY past his prime and was STILL giving him trouble..how are u a NCAA champ and not take down a old man like Randy?..cuz he was no good!..please stop saying Mir and Herring..where HERRING??..no where to be found..and MIr?..he has NO TDD..imho, Brock has never shown me skills or any kinda improvement..sorry to be blasting the guy, but this guy was a joke and has been to me all along..sorry say what u want, its freedom of speech..i'm so glad Brock is gone..




lol I would bet you loved Fedor at some point.....
jjeans
1/1/12 12:21:21PM

Posted by Pookie

1 - Nog is the second best heavyweight ever, by a large margin.



Hmmm my HW greatest of all time is close but not quite there

1. Fedor
2. Bas
3. Mir
4. Nog
5th... Is the hardest for me to pick
papercut
1/1/12 12:27:03PM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by moob

Glad this whole charade is over. Never rated him as a fighter, but as everyone knows, when you're a big heavyweight you always have that chance. I hope this is the last WWE 'fighter' we have imported for ratings.




You got to be kidding...I am all for bringing in WWE peeps and letting them get beat downs...More the merrier...

Brock didnt come to fight....Seriously now I think about it...Why would you train with Pat Barry to prepare yourself for Rheem? Does that sound like somsons serious about winning the fight...I shouldnt of picked Brock and thgouht of that...



because pat barry is a former k-1 level kickboxer...?
warglory
1/1/12 1:16:56PM

Posted by BuffaloDave


Posted by warglory


3. Herring was a legit gate keeper at the time, and Brock's SECOND professional fight! The fact that Herring hasn't fought since has nothing to do with his inability to compete.

Any other examples of Brock's inferiority?



That was his 3rd pro fight, Mir was his 2nd, which is a much tougher fight than Herring.



Doh! Yes, you are right. I mixed those two up. But you're correct about it being a more difficult fight.
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