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kopower
10/16/12 5:39:12PM

Posted by Edwards

made sense for chael steppin up on short notice but what a slap in the face to the other top fighters at 205, the show will be awesome but not a big fan of this move but i guess its a money move, jus sad



Lucas
10/16/12 5:58:38PM
Sorry but sonnen is nothing but annoying in my eyes so to have to listen to him week after week talk about what he's going to do to Jones only to get an absolute beat down come fight Time does not interest me in the slightest.

To put it into perspective its no different to having a tuf with bisbing and Silva as coaches and listening to bisping talk week after week how he can beat Silva before getting ko within a minute come fight time
prophecy033
10/16/12 6:02:15PM

Posted by Darnok


Posted by postman

God this is dumb


x2

Why?
cowcatcher
10/16/12 6:05:57PM

Posted by Lucas

Sorry but sonnen is nothing but annoying in my eyes so to have to listen to him week after week talk about what he's going to do to Jones only to get an absolute beat down come fight Time does not interest me in the slightest.

To put it into perspective its no different to having a tuf with bisbing and Silva as coaches and listening to bisping talk week after week how he can beat Silva before getting ko within a minute come fight time



Except that Sonnen is great at trash talking and Bisping is terrible. I can understand why someone that isn't a fan of Chael or doesn't find his trash talking amusing would not like this move though, but I personally find him hilarious and he is the undisputed king of MMA one liners.
shaneTpain
10/16/12 6:12:51PM
I watch TUF regardless of whos coaching so I am uber pumped to see Sonnen poke funof Bones while Jonny tries to act like the humble christian selfless nice guy he tries so hard to convince everyone he is.
Chael_Sonnen
10/16/12 6:50:12PM
How does it feel being inches away from greatness?

Are you not mesmerized?

The ratings savior is here - - - - and yes, those chills down your spine are the result of being surrounded by (P)erfection

Hey FX.......YOU are welcome!
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infestructure
10/16/12 7:19:23PM

Posted by BuffaloDave


Posted by bjj1605


Posted by Goatenstein

Show will be fun. Fight will not. This is desperation on Zuffa's part.



Exactly how I feel.

Chael will make it entertaining because that's what he does. But from a sporting perspective it doesn't make any sense.



We all just watched Silva vs. Bonnar clearly the UFC gave up on making sense



Maybe we can get a Bisping/Benavidez grudge match for real


Seriously though, as someone said before; this is a huge slap to to face of the contenders at 205. Machida would have made a great coach, and the two have a history in the ring, not just one man's skill at selling a fight.
Cooler
10/16/12 8:09:10PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by Lucas

Sorry but sonnen is nothing but annoying in my eyes so to have to listen to him week after week talk about what he's going to do to Jones only to get an absolute beat down come fight Time does not interest me in the slightest.

To put it into perspective its no different to having a tuf with bisbing and Silva as coaches and listening to bisping talk week after week how he can beat Silva before getting ko within a minute come fight time



Except that Sonnen is great at trash talking and Bisping is terrible. I can understand why someone that isn't a fan of Chael or doesn't find his trash talking amusing would not like this move though, but I personally find him hilarious and he is the undisputed king of MMA one liners.



If you can understand that people don't like Chael and his mouth why would you assert your opinion as fact as the "King of MMA one liners" as if the sport needs that pseudo-intellectual garbage or that somehow validates his trolling. I would guess that you don't really understand because you dismiss those who think he is just a wind bag.
cowcatcher
10/16/12 8:23:53PM

Posted by Cooler


Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by Lucas

Sorry but sonnen is nothing but annoying in my eyes so to have to listen to him week after week talk about what he's going to do to Jones only to get an absolute beat down come fight Time does not interest me in the slightest.

To put it into perspective its no different to having a tuf with bisbing and Silva as coaches and listening to bisping talk week after week how he can beat Silva before getting ko within a minute come fight time



Except that Sonnen is great at trash talking and Bisping is terrible. I can understand why someone that isn't a fan of Chael or doesn't find his trash talking amusing would not like this move though, but I personally find him hilarious and he is the undisputed king of MMA one liners.



If you can understand that people don't like Chael and his mouth why would you assert your opinion as fact as the "King of MMA one liners" as if the sport needs that pseudo-intellectual garbage or that somehow validates his trolling. I would guess that you don't really understand because you dismiss those who think he is just a wind bag.



I never dismissed anyone that thinks he's a windbag. Read the post you quoted, then find the part where I said "I personally", then find a reason to blame this on religion somehow.
KingCmb
10/16/12 9:23:42PM
Cheal sonnen transcends rankings
Bubbles
10/16/12 9:28:21PM

Posted by Cooler

So Sonnen gets a fight with the LHW champ without a single LHW win? fucking zuffa.


Belfort got a MW and LHW title shot after no recent UFC wins in that division
Franklinfan47
10/16/12 9:34:08PM

Posted by prophecy033


Posted by Darnok


Posted by postman

God this is dumb


x2

Why?



I cant speak for others, but I think its dumb for Chael to get a title shot without winning or even competing at 205 for many years.

With that said, I'll watch it
State_Champ
10/16/12 9:40:55PM
I don't like it for a few reasons:

1) Sonnen's last fight at LHW was a loss, and now he's number one contender?
2) Jones is fighting two middle weights in a row? Neither of them is called Anderson Silva? C'mon.
3) I'm not intrigued by the match-up at all.



EDIT: Moreover, not only was Sonnen's last fight at LHW a loss, but so was his last fight at MW too.

Plus, he's coming off a PED suspension too....

"Let this be a lesson to all you up-and-coming fighters out there: Wearing a fake belt and talking trash on Twitter will do more for your career than legitimate wins ever will." - Cagepotato
Cooler
10/16/12 9:43:12PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by Cooler


Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by Lucas

Sorry but sonnen is nothing but annoying in my eyes so to have to listen to him week after week talk about what he's going to do to Jones only to get an absolute beat down come fight Time does not interest me in the slightest.

To put it into perspective its no different to having a tuf with bisbing and Silva as coaches and listening to bisping talk week after week how he can beat Silva before getting ko within a minute come fight time



Except that Sonnen is great at trash talking and Bisping is terrible. I can understand why someone that isn't a fan of Chael or doesn't find his trash talking amusing would not like this move though, but I personally find him hilarious and he is the undisputed king of MMA one liners.



If you can understand that people don't like Chael and his mouth why would you assert your opinion as fact as the "King of MMA one liners" as if the sport needs that pseudo-intellectual garbage or that somehow validates his trolling. I would guess that you don't really understand because you dismiss those who think he is just a wind bag.



I never dismissed anyone that thinks he's a windbag. Read the post you quoted, then find the part where I said "I personally", then find a reason to blame this on religion somehow.



Putting the disclaimer I personally doesn't excuse anything, it's like the people who say "Don't be offended" right before they say something brutally honest or dishonest. And sure religion skews the other parts of peoples critical thinking skills so it might be to blame here
Chael_Sonnen
10/16/12 9:45:38PM
I keep seeing the word "deserve" and "rankings." I mean those two words go together like "Greatness" and Jon Jones......totally irrelevant....and useless.

Don't you guys get it yet?

- - - In the beginning God created CHAEL, then the heaven and the earth.

This is Chael's world and you all are lucky enough to be a small part of it.

I'm still waiting for Cooler to stop masturbating and rubbing himself with holy water....actually, I want to see if his skin melts.
Cooler
10/16/12 9:46:00PM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Cooler

So Sonnen gets a fight with the LHW champ without a single LHW win? fucking zuffa.


Belfort got a MW and LHW title shot after no recent UFC wins in that division



Vitor beat Franklin the former champ, who cares that it was 10lbs more.

Vitor was the LHW champion and has many wins over legends at 205.

Sonnen is an overrated wrestler with no big name wins and no legacy.

Chael got this fight with his mouth, let's stop avoiding that issue more than his supposed deserving of it.
Bubbles
10/16/12 11:23:57PM

Posted by Cooler


Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Cooler

So Sonnen gets a fight with the LHW champ without a single LHW win? fucking zuffa.


Belfort got a MW and LHW title shot after no recent UFC wins in that division



Vitor beat Franklin the former champ, who cares that it was 10lbs more.

Vitor was the LHW champion and has many wins over legends at 205.

Sonnen is an overrated wrestler with no big name wins and no legacy.

Chael got this fight with his mouth, let's stop avoiding that issue more than his supposed deserving of it.


Franklin was a former champion, what, 6 years ago? Catchweight is not Middleweight and therefore has no effect on MW ranking or title shot implications. Frankling being a former champion 6 years ago (3 years prior to Belfort fight) doesn't mean a whole lot otherwise Koscheck KO'ing Hughes was a massive achievement. Weight divisions are there for a reason, fighting at a catchweight is completely different. If you say "who cares" that its 10 lbs more, then what is the big deal about someone missing weight by a couple pounds?

Vitor was a LHW champion by a cut stoppage eight years ago...pretty irrelevant if you ask me. Sure it's a great marketing line but has nothing to do with fighting for a LHW championship in 2012. What legend has he beat at 205? Wanderlei back in 98? Couture by cut? Is Lindland a legend?

Sonnen is one of the best wrestlers in the sport, how the hell is that overrated? No big name wins yet Bisping, Marquardt, Okami, and arguably Stann all are big name wins and better than anyone else at MW aside the champion. Legacy, you're right he doesn't have one, but neither do 99% of the fighters fighting in the UFC.

I am not going to deny that Chael talking got him this opportunity, but to say Belfort "earned" his shots because of shit that happened years ago is kind of silly
jae_1833
10/17/12 12:40:17AM
I think the UFC just cashed in....they proved it with the "fun fight" between Bonnar and Silva. Tons of ppv buys will come with this match up as 90% of viewers dont k now or even care about weight classes, rules, judging criteria etc. Should Sonnen get a LHW Title shot above Hendo, Machida, Gustaf etc.....no! He hasnt put the work in at LHW, but will it improve the season and ppv ratings? Absolutely! Its like prison sex....fight it and it just hurts....go easy because like it or not it is going to happen.
bjj1605
10/17/12 1:33:39AM

Posted by jae_1833

Absolutely! Its like prison sex....fight it and it just hurts....go easy because like it or not it is going to happen.





Not how I would prefer to have to think of my MMA viewing experience.

frizzzlecake
10/17/12 2:05:14AM
Is anyone else excited for the gifs that this show/fight will make?
Poor_Franklin
10/17/12 4:27:34AM
Think of the shit Chael can come up w/ in the next 6 months. it could be legendary.

Imagine if Chael took a holiday theme to his hate w/ Bones. He can hit Halloween, Thanksgiving, Hannukah, Christmas, New Years Eve & Day, Valentines, St Patrick's Day & April Fools Day all before the fight happens. I'm very excited to see where all of this goes & what all is said.
Cooler
10/17/12 5:31:33AM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Cooler


Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Cooler

So Sonnen gets a fight with the LHW champ without a single LHW win? fucking zuffa.


Belfort got a MW and LHW title shot after no recent UFC wins in that division



Vitor beat Franklin the former champ, who cares that it was 10lbs more.

Vitor was the LHW champion and has many wins over legends at 205.

Sonnen is an overrated wrestler with no big name wins and no legacy.

Chael got this fight with his mouth, let's stop avoiding that issue more than his supposed deserving of it.



Franklin was a former champion, what, 6 years ago? Catchweight is not Middleweight and therefore has no effect on MW ranking or title shot implications. Frankling being a former champion 6 years ago (3 years prior to Belfort fight) doesn't mean a whole lot otherwise Koscheck KO'ing Hughes was a massive achievement. Weight divisions are there for a reason, fighting at a catchweight is completely different. If you say "who cares" that its 10 lbs more, then what is the big deal about someone missing weight by a couple pounds?

Vitor was a LHW champion by a cut stoppage eight years ago...pretty irrelevant if you ask me. Sure it's a great marketing line but has nothing to do with fighting for a LHW championship in 2012. What legend has he beat at 205? Wanderlei back in 98? Couture by cut? Is Lindland a legend?

Sonnen is one of the best wrestlers in the sport, how the hell is that overrated? No big name wins yet Bisping, Marquardt, Okami, and arguably Stann all are big name wins and better than anyone else at MW aside the champion. Legacy, you're right he doesn't have one, but neither do 99% of the fighters fighting in the UFC.

I am not going to deny that Chael talking got him this opportunity, but to say Belfort "earned" his shots because of shit that happened years ago is kind of silly




At least Vitor beat someone relevant and top 10 at the time, basically a MW title contender fight if Vitor had won which he did. Where else was Vitor going to go? Franklin wouldn't fight Belfort at 185 and chose 195. Franklin had the slight advantage he wanted and still got KTFO, didn't matter.

Silva and Couture are still good wins. You forget that Couture proceeded to win by doctor stoppage the next fight, should Couture have not gotten the belt back if Belfort shouldn't have won the belt in the first place.. err what...

Pillow handed, shitty jiu jitsu defense, no finishing skills against competent top guys other than a win over Stann who also needs to work his sub d...

Well yeah those aren't the greatest of names, good names but not great. Chael lost to the really good guys, so it makes my point more clear that he is overrated. He got to the top of his organizations at one point or two but Fhaels every time he gets there. 27-12-1 now that's a record of a champion..seriously though his lowlight will be his legacy, it's great, check it out on youtube.

At least Belfort had something to fall back on, being the former champ of that division where as Chael doesn't have any good LHW wins, and his only LHW UFC fight was a loss to Babalu.

It's silly to be defending Chael Sonnen's shot at the LHW title at all but okay

I wasn't a big fan of Vitor getting the shot either but he was a more credible threat than Cheal will be.
BigBadAl
10/17/12 6:04:01AM
Chael's trash talking will be fun. I personally find him pretty funny.

However the fight is a complete mismatch and shouldn't last more than a few minutes.

Chael's going to need a few stitches after this one.
aussiemma
10/17/12 6:27:33AM
this is going to make for some great tv, but i would rather see chael fight forrest to be honest. im sure most of you agree that jones is going to wreck chael.

who is forrest going to fight now ?
jjeans
10/17/12 6:47:02AM

Posted by aussiemma

this is going to make for some great tv, but i would rather see chael fight forrest to be honest. im sure most of you agree that jones is going to wreck chael.

who is forrest going to fight now ?



Bonnar
emfleek
10/17/12 6:55:32AM

Posted by Cooler

Chael got this fight with his mouth, let's stop avoiding that issue more than his supposed deserving of it.



This.

I don't have the time or patience to read through the thread, but this absolutely sums it up. There are no if's, and's or but's about it.

I love Chael but too much more of this is going to turn me off to the sport. I would've been semi-alright with it had he fought Forrest first (and won) but "the fans want to see it" is weak. Just come out and say "we're going to make a fuck ton of money off this shit" and call a spade a spade.
cowcatcher
10/17/12 9:21:33AM

Posted by jjeans


Posted by aussiemma

this is going to make for some great tv, but i would rather see chael fight forrest to be honest. im sure most of you agree that jones is going to wreck chael.

who is forrest going to fight now ?



Bonnar



According to FrontRowBrian that's happening Jay. Nice call.
cowcatcher
10/17/12 9:26:41AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by Cooler

Chael got this fight with his mouth, let's stop avoiding that issue more than his supposed deserving of it.



This.

I don't have the time or patience to read through the thread, but this absolutely sums it up. There are no if's, and's or but's about it.

I love Chael but too much more of this is going to turn me off to the sport. I would've been semi-alright with it had he fought Forrest first (and won) but "the fans want to see it" is weak. Just come out and say "we're going to make a fuck ton of money off this shit" and call a spade a spade.



C'mon Fleek, you're surprised and upset that a business wants to make money? This move is: 1) going to make TUF relevant again and open it up to a bigger audience and 2) lead to a PPV with a huge number of buys.

I get that people don't like it because Chael is "undeserving", and it's true, he hasn't done a thing to warrant a title shot, except Chael was willing to fight this monster on 8 days notice when guys like Machida wouldn't even do it on 5 weeks. Chael is getting rewarded for being ballsy just as much as he is for running his mouth.

Also, apparently Hendo isn't happy about Chael getting the shot and he tweeted Dana to let him know.

It's also being reported that TUF is being moved to Tuesday nights, which should also help ratings a lot over the Friday night format.
emfleek
10/17/12 9:45:58AM

Posted by cowcatcher

C'mon Fleek, you're surprised and upset that a business wants to make money? This move is: 1) going to make TUF relevant again and open it up to a bigger audience and 2) lead to a PPV with a huge number of buys.

I get that people don't like it because Chael is "undeserving", and it's true, he hasn't done a thing to warrant a title shot, except Chael was willing to fight this monster on 8 days notice when guys like Machida wouldn't even do it on 5 weeks. Chael is getting rewarded for being ballsy just as much as he is for running his mouth.

Also, apparently Hendo isn't happy about Chael getting the shot and he tweeted Dana to let him know.

It's also being reported that TUF is being moved to Tuesday nights, which should also help ratings a lot over the Friday night format.



I'm not surprised and can't say I'm really upset. Just disappointed.

I don't look at this as Chael being "rewarded" for anything. sure, it makes for a good supporting argument in favor of the fight but let's be real; the fight was made for monetary reasons. Had someone like Ryan Bader (instead of Chael) volunteered to take the fight on 8 days notice, do you think he would be rewarded with a TUF gig and a title shot? No way.

It was fun with Anderson both times around and the lead up to this fight will be fun as well. I'm just not all that interested in the actual fight.
emfleek
10/17/12 9:47:45AM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by jjeans


Posted by aussiemma

this is going to make for some great tv, but i would rather see chael fight forrest to be honest. im sure most of you agree that jones is going to wreck chael.

who is forrest going to fight now ?



Bonnar



According to FrontRowBrian that's happening Jay. Nice call.



And supposedly they have a gentlemen's agreement to retire after the fight.

Yet another matchup that I'm not interested in.
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