Boxer Tommy Morrison To Step In The Cage

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zephead
5/15/07 5:21:49PM
The boxing vs. mixed martial arts debate is nearing a full-blown frenzy of late. Former heavyweight contender Tommy “The Duke” Morrison is the latest to enter the fray, but he has actually signed on the dotted line to back up his talk.




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grappler0000
5/15/07 8:49:23PM
I think he likes the idea of being the first to make the crossover...it'll put him in the spotlight more than any to follow.

It sounded like he to took offense to Chuck wanting to fight him. I don't think Chuck woud've of even mentioned his name, if it wasn't for the doped up state he was in...either way, he should take it as a compliment more than anthing.

Whatever the reason, should be interesting.
chentay2112
5/15/07 9:35:16PM
i can see why he took offense if chuck named him... he's ready to go so after chuck's next title defense lets see if he and dana step up and back up their words
mayweatherjr1
5/15/07 9:41:16PM
he can't beat chuck for christ sakes.....chuck will just take him down if he was smart and gnp...I am so sick of the mma is better...no boxing is better...dana white says boxers won't do well??? NO SHIT DANA...mma wouldn't do well against this guy in the boxing ring either...floyd mayweather jr....it is a stupid argument
Sam_Rothstein
5/16/07 3:29:50AM
the tommy morrison that beat george foreman would of beat the shit out of chuck liddell in a striking match

the tommy that fought john castle is another story though hahahaha
otacon279
5/16/07 10:10:47AM
mma > boxing

grappler0000
5/16/07 1:04:12PM

Posted by Sam_Rothstein

the tommy morrison that beat george foreman would of beat the shit out of chuck liddell in a striking match

the tommy that fought john castle is another story though hahahaha



Striking? I hope you mean boxing...you are forgetting that Chuck is a kickboxer. If he played it straight, he could still stand with him and win. Haven't you seen Butterbean in K-1? What a joke that was.
Sam_Rothstein
5/17/07 2:11:19AM
okay butterbean and tommy morrison were two different fighters

butterbean was a strong man champ, he went and boxed guys in bars and shit and when he fought a out of shape larry holmes he was destroyed

and im not saying that tommy morrison would outstrike chuck liddell

i said in his prime he would mess up liddell in a striking match

thats just what i think though
mkiv9secsupra
5/17/07 3:05:09AM

Posted by Sam_Rothstein
and im not saying that tommy morrison would outstrike chuck liddell
i said in his prime he would mess up liddell in a striking match



HUH?! he wouldnt outstrike chuck but he would be better at striking?

kickboxing is superior to boxing....always has, always will......
Ogre365
5/17/07 3:36:10PM
Stover doesn't really have enough wins, or wins against tough enough fighters to really get a sense of where he is skill and conditioning wise. Morrison is a well conditioned athlete and does have very good hands. If he can learn and stick with the sprawl and brawl tactic I think he can take out Stover. Stover is low on the totem pole as far as fighters go though, and you can't even begin to make any comparison between him and Chuck. Morrison might want to get quite a few wins under his belt before he tries fighting Chuck.
grappler0000
5/17/07 5:47:56PM

Posted by Sam_Rothstein

okay butterbean and tommy morrison were two different fighters

butterbean was a strong man champ, he went and boxed guys in bars and shit and when he fought a out of shape larry holmes he was destroyed

and im not saying that tommy morrison would outstrike chuck liddell

i said in his prime he would mess up liddell in a striking match

thats just what i think though



I wasn't attempting to make a comparison between the fighters, but rather the transition between disciplines.

The point was...before Butterbean could even get a punch in, his leg was beat to a pulp...just one example of many kickboxer strategies that can dominate a boxer. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Sam_Rothstein
5/19/07 2:32:18AM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra


Posted by Sam_Rothstein
and im not saying that tommy morrison would outstrike chuck liddell
i said in his prime he would mess up liddell in a striking match



HUH?! he wouldnt outstrike chuck but he would be better at striking?

kickboxing is superior to boxing....always has, always will......




okay let me explain it for you since you seem a little slow

tommy morrison would get murdered by chuck liddell in present day, he doesnt have the hand speed the chin or coordination he used to and liddell is in his prime minus the fact hes in his late 30's

the tommy morrison in his prime i think would **** up liddell in a striking match, he might not win but he definately would be the toughest striker liddell ever faced
Sam_Rothstein
5/19/07 2:38:28AM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by Sam_Rothstein

okay butterbean and tommy morrison were two different fighters

butterbean was a strong man champ, he went and boxed guys in bars and shit and when he fought a out of shape larry holmes he was destroyed

and im not saying that tommy morrison would outstrike chuck liddell

i said in his prime he would mess up liddell in a striking match

thats just what i think though



I wasn't attempting to make a comparison between the fighters, but rather the transition between disciplines.

The point was...before Butterbean could even get a punch in, his leg was beat to a pulp...just one example of many kickboxer strategies that can dominate a boxer. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.




well i hear what you are saying, but comparing an in prime tommy morrison to butterbean in sense of boxing is similar to comparing randy coutore against some guy who wrestled state in high school 20 years ago

when butterbean started in mma, he was somehow more out of shape then when he was (the 3 round fight king)
-Virus-
5/19/07 2:42:09AM
Hope he does good in mma

Cheers!
grappler0000
5/22/07 7:24:35AM

Posted by Sam_Rothstein


Posted by grappler0000


Posted by Sam_Rothstein

okay butterbean and tommy morrison were two different fighters

butterbean was a strong man champ, he went and boxed guys in bars and shit and when he fought a out of shape larry holmes he was destroyed

and im not saying that tommy morrison would outstrike chuck liddell

i said in his prime he would mess up liddell in a striking match

thats just what i think though



I wasn't attempting to make a comparison between the fighters, but rather the transition between disciplines.

The point was...before Butterbean could even get a punch in, his leg was beat to a pulp...just one example of many kickboxer strategies that can dominate a boxer. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.




well i hear what you are saying, but comparing an in prime tommy morrison to butterbean in sense of boxing is similar to comparing randy coutore against some guy who wrestled state in high school 20 years ago

when butterbean started in mma, he was somehow more out of shape then when he was (the 3 round fight king)



Did you even bother to read what I typed...or did you just disregard it. Also, I wasn't even referring to his MMA fights. I was making reference to the K-1...the MMA was an even bigger joke. Point being (even if he was out of shape), kickboxers were able to keep the distance and Butterbean was hard pressed to just get a single punch in. Again, just an example of how a smart kickboxer can neutralize a boxer...no comparison of ability is being made between Morrison and Butterbean.
Sam_Rothstein
5/24/07 2:28:35AM
okay you must not read what i had said

because what i was trying to say was that comparing butter bean to even the worst professional boxers is still pretty foul

butterbean is not a boxer, hes a guy who beats up people who cant fight good

hell i bet kimbo would even beat up butterbean, thats how shitty of a boxer butterbean is

him sucking at k-1 or mma wouldnt be that big of a surprise to me
grappler0000
5/24/07 2:04:52PM

Posted by Sam_Rothstein

okay you must not read what i had said

because what i was trying to say was that comparing butter bean to even the worst professional boxers is still pretty foul

butterbean is not a boxer, hes a guy who beats up people who cant fight good

hell i bet kimbo would even beat up butterbean, thats how shitty of a boxer butterbean is

him sucking at k-1 or mma wouldnt be that big of a surprise to me



Again, not listening. I used Butterbean as an example of a clash in disciplines. I never made any claim of Butterbeans' ability. If you are too thick skulled to understand it, then take a look at Art Jimmerson's transition to MMA, Ray Mercer's short K-1 career (most importantly against Remy Bonjaski), or Francois Botha's transition to K-1 to know what I'm talking about. All a bunch of jokes...especially considering the talent of the latter two. From the beginning, I was stressing a point about discipline and not talent, but since you somehow thought they were related, I have lowered the bar and given you some better examples of boxers. Do you understand now, or should I continue?
hippysmacker
6/10/07 4:45:09AM
Apparently it was just a boxing match in a cage , with shoving allowed. From Sherdog> i didn't think Molrrison would actually fight an MMa fighter, but apparently he wouldn't even have an MMa fight with a novice.

Morrison Wins Modified Rules Debut
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Morrison Wins Modified Rules DebutSunday, June 10, 2007
by Tommy Messano

CAMP VERDE, Ariz., June 9 -- Nestled in Arizona's red rock mountains, former heavyweight boxing champion Tommy Morrison made what was billed as his mixed martial arts debut Saturday night.

Out of reach of the Arizona State Athletic Commission on the Yavapai-Apache Nation, unheralded John Stover of South Dakota stood as Morrison's first opponent.

In action that took place in the cage, Morrison dispatched Stover at the 2:08 mark of round number one.

Rules prohibited any kind of ground fighting, and as the card at the Cliff Castle Casino was about to commence it was announced that knees, elbows, or kicks of any kind would be disallowed during the Morrison-Stover fight, which was scheduled for three three-minute rounds.

"Yeah they switched up the rules," said the 35-year-old Stover. "At first it was strikes only knees, elbows, and kicks. They switched them up about a half hour before the show. We tried to barter around it, but Tommy, he doesn't want to do MMA. He needs to get paid. He needs his money. He needs to get his name back out there and this is basically all he's doing."
cmill21
6/10/07 5:04:38AM
It all depends, I think if you taught Floyd Mayweather some spralling and a little wrestling he could be a great mma fighter. Look at Cro Cop, one of the best mma fighters, and how much of a ground game does he have? If you can sprall and avoid the take downs you can use your skills to your advantage, and floyd's got some of the quickest hands i've ever seen. The only problem with my comparison is that Mirko is a kickboxing expert, and that makes him 10x more dangerous that a straight boxer. But still you get my point you can succeed in mma with an ok ground game if your strikings good enough.
Sam_Rothstein
6/30/07 2:34:50AM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by Sam_Rothstein

okay you must not read what i had said

because what i was trying to say was that comparing butter bean to even the worst professional boxers is still pretty foul

butterbean is not a boxer, hes a guy who beats up people who cant fight good

hell i bet kimbo would even beat up butterbean, thats how shitty of a boxer butterbean is

him sucking at k-1 or mma wouldnt be that big of a surprise to me



Again, not listening. I used Butterbean as an example of a clash in disciplines. I never made any claim of Butterbeans' ability. If you are too thick skulled to understand it, then take a look at Art Jimmerson's transition to MMA, Ray Mercer's short K-1 career (most importantly against Remy Bonjaski), or Francois Botha's transition to K-1 to know what I'm talking about. All a bunch of jokes...especially considering the talent of the latter two. From the beginning, I was stressing a point about discipline and not talent, but since you somehow thought they were related, I have lowered the bar and given you some better examples of boxers. Do you understand now, or should I continue?




okay obviously you werent listening

because what i was saying is that comparing butterbeans discipline in boxing to anyone else is retarded

eric esch " butterbean" was knocked out by a guy from new york with a 1-7 record in professional boxing, so for you to be like oh well did you see butterbean vs this kick boxer, thats what would happen if any other boxer fought a kick boxer

if you had said ray mercer at the beginning we wouldnt even be having this argument

all i said was that if liddell went head to head with morrison on their feet he would get rocked, i didnt even say would get the better of the exchanges and you have to compare a 300 lb overweight toughman champ who fought johnny knoxville in a department store to a boxer

or lets compare art jimmerson who had 4-13 record following that royce gracie fight or francis botha the guy who got knocked out by mike tyson the fight after he bit off holyfields ear

even those guys would be better to mention then butterbean
grappler0000
6/30/07 7:37:15PM

Posted by Sam_Rothstein

okay obviously you werent listening

because what i was saying is that comparing butterbeans discipline in boxing to anyone else is retarded

eric esch " butterbean" was knocked out by a guy from new york with a 1-7 record in professional boxing, so for you to be like oh well did you see butterbean vs this kick boxer, thats what would happen if any other boxer fought a kick boxer

if you had said ray mercer at the beginning we wouldnt even be having this argument

all i said was that if liddell went head to head with morrison on their feet he would get rocked, i didnt even say would get the better of the exchanges and you have to compare a 300 lb overweight toughman champ who fought johnny knoxville in a department store to a boxer

or lets compare art jimmerson who had 4-13 record following that royce gracie fight or francis botha the guy who got knocked out by mike tyson the fight after he bit off holyfields ear

even those guys would be better to mention then butterbean





First of all, I couldn't have just said Ray Mercer at the beginning of this conversation...this conversation started before Mercer's fight against Kimbo (not to mention the original coversation was based off of a mere transition into Kickboxing, not MMA). Again, you still don't understand the point...it doesn't matter who the example is...boxers are one dimensional. Butterbean, Mercer, Tyson, Jimmerson, or whoever...all one dimensional...so it doesn't matter who I use as an example...it was a comparison of disciplines, not fighters. I guess I can say that until I'm blue in the face and you may still not let it sink in. As time goes on, there will be more and more examples of this. As it happens, I can keep an active list going, so you are able to comprehend the problem that boxers have when transitioning over to Kickboxing or MMA.
Piccosaur
6/30/07 9:22:42PM
He's 38.

That's all.
Lethal
6/30/07 9:52:27PM
I think Morrison will do pretty well, but I don't think he will be Chuck. Didn't he lose to Ray Mercer who recently lost to Kimbo Slice?
Sam_Rothstein
6/30/07 9:56:56PM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by Sam_Rothstein

okay obviously you werent listening

because what i was saying is that comparing butterbeans discipline in boxing to anyone else is retarded

eric esch " butterbean" was knocked out by a guy from new york with a 1-7 record in professional boxing, so for you to be like oh well did you see butterbean vs this kick boxer, thats what would happen if any other boxer fought a kick boxer

if you had said ray mercer at the beginning we wouldnt even be having this argument

all i said was that if liddell went head to head with morrison on their feet he would get rocked, i didnt even say would get the better of the exchanges and you have to compare a 300 lb overweight toughman champ who fought johnny knoxville in a department store to a boxer

or lets compare art jimmerson who had 4-13 record following that royce gracie fight or francis botha the guy who got knocked out by mike tyson the fight after he bit off holyfields ear

even those guys would be better to mention then butterbean





First of all, I couldn't have just said Ray Mercer at the beginning of this conversation...this conversation started before Mercer's fight against Kimbo (not to mention the original coversation was based off of a mere transition into Kickboxing, not MMA). Again, you still don't understand the point...it doesn't matter who the example is...boxers are one dimensional. Butterbean, Mercer, Tyson, Jimmerson, or whoever...all one dimensional...so it doesn't matter who I use as an example...it was a comparison of disciplines, not fighters. I guess I can say that until I'm blue in the face and you may still not let it sink in. As time goes on, there will be more and more examples of this. As it happens, I can keep an active list going, so you are able to comprehend the problem that boxers have when transitioning over to Kickboxing or MMA.





dude i get the point about you comparing disciplines, but what im trying to say is you can't compare one situation to any of them

its like comparing that pro wrestler who challenged rickson gracie, i cant remember his name but the guy basically got his teeth ****** up and choked out

or Karam Ibrahim the olympic wrestler who was knocked out in his first and only fight

does that mean any pro or olympic wrestler will fail at mma?

just because a 46 year old out of shape mercer, and four shitty boxers who won most of their fights against guys with losing records sucked at mma doesnt mean anyone boxer will

chris lytle and jens pulver, two so-so boxers have made great impact on the sport of mma

let me save you the time of reposting this for the third time

yeah yeah you were just comparing disciplines
grappler0000
6/30/07 11:22:34PM

Posted by Sam_Rothstein



dude i get the point about you comparing disciplines, but what im trying to say is you can't compare one situation to any of them

its like comparing that pro wrestler who challenged rickson gracie, i cant remember his name but the guy basically got his teeth ****** up and choked out

or Karam Ibrahim the olympic wrestler who was knocked out in his first and only fight

does that mean any pro or olympic wrestler will fail at mma?

just because a 46 year old out of shape mercer, and four shitty boxers who won most of their fights against guys with losing records sucked at mma doesnt mean anyone boxer will

chris lytle and jens pulver, two so-so boxers have made great impact on the sport of mma

let me save you the time of reposting this for the third time

yeah yeah you were just comparing disciplines



So, now this conversation has taken on a new twist. Let me first state that I originally made a comparison between boxing and kickboxing.

As far as you comparing one wrestler in one match, that's not very convincing...not only is wrestling a key portion of MMA, but several people have done very well in the sport with no other talent...you cannot say that about boxing...kickboxing yes, boxing no. So, your comparison is like apples and oranges.

Yes, Jens Pulver does have a background in boxing...he also has a background in wrestling...guess what, he trains MMA, not just boxing. That is the difference. Yes, Lytle has a decent boxing resume, but he has other skills...or least enough for him to survive the MMA game, but he gets tooled by most good grapplers...and although he's somewhere in the middle of the pack, he has never done all that well against good competition...a little too one dimensional, I would say. And he would even have the mediocre success that he has had if he only trained boxing. No pure boxer has ever had major success in MMA...period. Marcus Davis tried his hardest...and you can ask him...the day he decided that he couldn't make it as a boxer in MMA, was the best day of his career. He now trains all of MMA and has actually been looking pretty good in all aspects of the game.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to stand up for the boxers of the world...unless maybe you are a boxer yourself, which would explain a lot. I'm not trying to discredit boxing as a sport. If you remember, I stated that a smart kickboxer could use certain strategies in a kickboxing match against a boxer, that would put the boxer at a great disadvantage. Again, this wasn't about MMA, it was about boxing vs. kickboxing...but I'm sure you'll remind me once again that you have a horrible short-term memory.

This may help your thinking process along, since it needs some help: Take the best boxer in the world...now teach him to kick. Think that over.

Sam_Rothstein
7/1/07 4:59:22PM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by Sam_Rothstein



dude i get the point about you comparing disciplines, but what im trying to say is you can't compare one situation to any of them

its like comparing that pro wrestler who challenged rickson gracie, i cant remember his name but the guy basically got his teeth ****** up and choked out

or Karam Ibrahim the olympic wrestler who was knocked out in his first and only fight

does that mean any pro or olympic wrestler will fail at mma?

just because a 46 year old out of shape mercer, and four shitty boxers who won most of their fights against guys with losing records sucked at mma doesnt mean anyone boxer will

chris lytle and jens pulver, two so-so boxers have made great impact on the sport of mma

let me save you the time of reposting this for the third time

yeah yeah you were just comparing disciplines



So, now this conversation has taken on a new twist. Let me first state that I originally made a comparison between boxing and kickboxing.

As far as you comparing one wrestler in one match, that's not very convincing...not only is wrestling a key portion of MMA, but several people have done very well in the sport with no other talent...you cannot say that about boxing...kickboxing yes, boxing no. So, your comparison is like apples and oranges.

Yes, Jens Pulver does have a background in boxing...he also has a background in wrestling...guess what, he trains MMA, not just boxing. That is the difference. Yes, Lytle has a decent boxing resume, but he has other skills...or least enough for him to survive the MMA game, but he gets tooled by most good grapplers...and although he's somewhere in the middle of the pack, he has never done all that well against good competition...a little too one dimensional, I would say. And he would even have the mediocre success that he has had if he only trained boxing. No pure boxer has ever had major success in MMA...period. Marcus Davis tried his hardest...and you can ask him...the day he decided that he couldn't make it as a boxer in MMA, was the best day of his career. He now trains all of MMA and has actually been looking pretty good in all aspects of the game.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to stand up for the boxers of the world...unless maybe you are a boxer yourself, which would explain a lot. I'm not trying to discredit boxing as a sport. If you remember, I stated that a smart kickboxer could use certain strategies in a kickboxing match against a boxer, that would put the boxer at a great disadvantage. Again, this wasn't about MMA, it was about boxing vs. kickboxing...but I'm sure you'll remind me once again that you have a horrible short-term memory.

This may help your thinking process along, since it needs some help: Take the best boxer in the world...now teach him to kick. Think that over.




i guess someone didnt get the sarcasm
nastshabast
7/1/07 5:51:28PM
chuck was so f'd up when he said that....u can't take him seriously there
TOMMYAYO05
7/2/07 9:54:30PM
Morrison is a joke
Sam_Rothstein
7/4/07 4:25:45AM
yeah he is a huge joke now, he really needs to retire

but at a time he was a good fighter and a one time heavyweight champ

hell even rocky put him in a movie hahaha

but as soon as he fought Michael Bentt he turned into a c class fighter
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