UFC boss says Dan Hardy's fate not sealed with third straight defeat

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pmoney
3/27/11 10:32:11AM
SEATTLE – In the hyper-competitive world of the UFC, two straight defeats almost always leads to a release from the promotion.

Three consecutive defeats? Don't call us; we'll call you.

At Saturday's UFC Fight Night 24 event in Seattle, British slugger Dan Hardy (23-9 MMA, 4-3 UFC) dropped his third straight fight when he was toppled by fellow striking specialist Anthony Johnson. However, UFC president Dana White said "The Outlaw" won't necessarily be flying home with a pink slip.

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jgtribbett
3/27/11 10:52:45AM
good call, that fight wasn't what it should have been imo, but good on rumble for exploiting ang weakness and playing it smart
BeeR
3/27/11 10:54:55AM
hardy is pretty much the new brit ufc poster boy, they cant cut him yet
Twenty20Dollars
3/27/11 11:05:21AM
still a big draw, wont get cut unless he loses his next fight.
Boo_Radley21
3/27/11 11:11:47AM
I was hoping he would get knocked out but it was still entertaining to see him get dominated Give him to Hughes next
FastKnockout
3/27/11 12:36:27PM
Hardy will end up being the U.K's Tito Ortiz. No matter how many times he loses, Dana knows his name still holds value in the U.K and that Hardy will always have support, especially if he keeps his "gunslinger" attitude. Good call by the UFC.


Do I smell a Hardy vs. Sodallah match-up?
Budgellism
3/27/11 1:18:16PM

Posted by FastKnockout

Do I smell a Hardy vs. Sodallah match-up?



Good call! Perfect step up in competition for Sadollah and perfect step down in competition for Hardy. Win - Win.
SmileR
3/27/11 2:39:17PM
If Hardy wants to be taken seriously in MMA he should move to the US to train. Its clearly obvious now that England can't keep up with the US when it comes to wrestling.
Or his team could do what the Wolfslair did and bring in a good American wrestling coach.
FastKnockout
3/27/11 2:56:03PM
What was he doing with Big Country in his corner?
GSPCanada
3/27/11 3:02:05PM
You won't see hardy fight amir. like people already said he's a huge draw in the uk, but they can't keep him around for 4 losses, he will probably draw a guy like paulo thiago, a good fighter with heavy hands but hardy is still the better striker, but thiago has no takedowns. he might even get john howard, don't expect him to get anyone with above average takedowns for the remainder of the year
quezocrema0032
3/27/11 3:17:10PM

Posted by Boo_Radley21

I was hoping he would get knocked out but it was still entertaining to see him get dominated Give him to Hughes next




I like the idea of hughes, we all know based off of keith jardine case he will not receive an easy gimmie fight. I'm thinking maybe chris lytle, paulo thiago, matt serra, or ricardo almeida.
TeamDEY
3/27/11 3:42:37PM
he shouldn't get cut, Johnson is just to big
FastKnockout
3/27/11 3:44:39PM

Posted by quezocrema0032


Posted by Boo_Radley21

I was hoping he would get knocked out but it was still entertaining to see him get dominated Give him to Hughes next




I like the idea of hughes, we all know based off of keith jardine case he will not receive an easy gimmie fight. I'm thinking maybe chris lytle, paulo thiago, matt serra, or ricardo almeida.



I didn't even think about Matt Serra. I can see that happening.
TS92turbo
3/27/11 3:57:11PM
Even after the 127 incident, I would say Bisping is still UK Poster Boy.
Budgellism
3/27/11 4:40:48PM

Posted by GSPCanada

You won't see hardy fight amir. like people already said he's a huge draw in the uk, but they can't keep him around for 4 losses, he will probably draw a guy like paulo thiago, a good fighter with heavy hands but hardy is still the better striker, but thiago has no takedowns. he might even get john howard, don't expect him to get anyone with above average takedowns for the remainder of the year



And who says Amir would even win that fight? You make it sound like it's a guaranteed loss if Hardy fought Amir. I would say Howard has a better chance of beating Hardy than Amir does. He's a talented wrestler with good power, clearly Hardy's kryptonite. Amir isn't known for his takedowns, that's for sure.
sbulldavid
3/27/11 5:11:30PM
I like the though of a fight with Amir, make him(Hardy) fight for his stay, otherwise he can earn his way back elsewhere.
Aether
3/27/11 8:23:43PM
I don't understand why people fail so consistently to take the context of a situation into account when analyzing it.

2 or 3 losses in a row will get you cut if you're a nobody, and/or a blanket fighter. How often do people get cut after 2-3 losses when one of those losses is FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD? Not very often. It's really pretty simple, if you've worked your way up the ladder you have more leeway because you're both a bigger draw AND you're fighting considerably stronger competition, where you should be expected to lose significantly more often unless your name is GSP or Anderson Silva. Why would they cut someone like Dan Hardy when they have people like Matt Brown coming off of 3 losses sitting 5 rungs lower on the ladder, or any number of other fighters picked up from local organizations who have no chance of making it anywhere near the top 10 of the division.

I'm truly baffled that people were even concerned that he would be released. Think about how many guys are in the 170 pound division who deserve to get cut before Hardy. The UFC isn't run by a computer system that instantly deletes your file when you hit a predetermined number of losses, there's situational context involved, he's losing to guys who are either at the top of the division already or who are making their way up there very quickly. Losing to Condit, GSP, and Johnson is not the same as losing to someone they picked up from sharkfights for his UFC debut or someone they ported in from DEEP because he got a few impressive knockouts.
mma4life
3/27/11 8:48:18PM
i wanna see hardy vs. kampman what u guys think tho...
Bubbles
3/27/11 9:13:16PM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by quezocrema0032


Posted by Boo_Radley21

I was hoping he would get knocked out but it was still entertaining to see him get dominated Give him to Hughes next




I like the idea of hughes, we all know based off of keith jardine case he will not receive an easy gimmie fight. I'm thinking maybe chris lytle, paulo thiago, matt serra, or ricardo almeida.



I didn't even think about Matt Serra. I can see that happening.



Hardy trained with Serra for the GSP fight. i dont think thats going to happen.

maybe Hallman?
Bubbles
3/27/11 9:28:23PM

Posted by Aether

I don't understand why people fail so consistently to take the context of a situation into account when analyzing it.

2 or 3 losses in a row will get you cut if you're a nobody, and/or a blanket fighter. How often do people get cut after 2-3 losses when one of those losses is FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD? Not very often. It's really pretty simple, if you've worked your way up the ladder you have more leeway because you're both a bigger draw AND you're fighting considerably stronger competition, where you should be expected to lose significantly more often unless your name is GSP or Anderson Silva. Why would they cut someone like Dan Hardy when they have people like Matt Brown coming off of 3 losses sitting 5 rungs lower on the ladder, or any number of other fighters picked up from local organizations who have no chance of making it anywhere near the top 10 of the division.

I'm truly baffled that people were even concerned that he would be released. Think about how many guys are in the 170 pound division who deserve to get cut before Hardy. The UFC isn't run by a computer system that instantly deletes your file when you hit a predetermined number of losses, there's situational context involved, he's losing to guys who are either at the top of the division already or who are making their way up there very quickly. Losing to Condit, GSP, and Johnson is not the same as losing to someone they picked up from sharkfights for his UFC debut or someone they ported in from DEEP because he got a few impressive knockouts.



Patrick Cote got cut after 3 straight losses....and one was a title fight...and they cut him right before a Montreal card
Gerald Harris got cut after 1 loss after posting 3 impressive consecutive victories
Phil Baroni is a popular fighter and always brings it, but still got cut after 3 losses.
Cro Cop got cut after 2 losses in a row in a very shallow HW division. and im not even going to touch his popularity
Efrain Escudero got cut after 1 loss. hes a TUF winner (and we know how much they are favoured) and had a UFC record of 3-2
Thales Leites got cut after losing 1 fight after his title fight

there are others i can name if i do some research but those are off the top of my head. i know about the varying circumstances, but even so no one really expected the axe to fall so soon on any of them, save Baroni. i agree with your points (like Matt Brown) but there is always reason for concern once a fighter hits the magic number of 3 losses

Hardy, Danzig, Stevenson, Brown, and probably some others currently have/had a 3 fight losing streak and are still employed but are probably 1 loss away from getting the pink slip...so it does go both ways
quezocrema0032
3/27/11 9:53:47PM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by quezocrema0032


Posted by Boo_Radley21

I was hoping he would get knocked out but it was still entertaining to see him get dominated Give him to Hughes next




I like the idea of hughes, we all know based off of keith jardine case he will not receive an easy gimmie fight. I'm thinking maybe chris lytle, paulo thiago, matt serra, or ricardo almeida.



I didn't even think about Matt Serra. I can see that happening.



Hardy trained with Serra for the GSP fight. i dont think thats going to happen.

maybe Hallman?




And Madsen had trained with Russow, and Davis has trained with Little Nog in the past. It doesn't really matter if you have trained with someone they tend not to want to fight each other when there real training partners. Serra and Hardy had one part of a camp together and when Hardy is on a 3 fight losing streak he can't really complain about the opponents he's given.
quezocrema0032
3/27/11 9:56:40PM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Aether

I don't understand why people fail so consistently to take the context of a situation into account when analyzing it.

2 or 3 losses in a row will get you cut if you're a nobody, and/or a blanket fighter. How often do people get cut after 2-3 losses when one of those losses is FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD? Not very often. It's really pretty simple, if you've worked your way up the ladder you have more leeway because you're both a bigger draw AND you're fighting considerably stronger competition, where you should be expected to lose significantly more often unless your name is GSP or Anderson Silva. Why would they cut someone like Dan Hardy when they have people like Matt Brown coming off of 3 losses sitting 5 rungs lower on the ladder, or any number of other fighters picked up from local organizations who have no chance of making it anywhere near the top 10 of the division.

I'm truly baffled that people were even concerned that he would be released. Think about how many guys are in the 170 pound division who deserve to get cut before Hardy. The UFC isn't run by a computer system that instantly deletes your file when you hit a predetermined number of losses, there's situational context involved, he's losing to guys who are either at the top of the division already or who are making their way up there very quickly. Losing to Condit, GSP, and Johnson is not the same as losing to someone they picked up from sharkfights for his UFC debut or someone they ported in from DEEP because he got a few impressive knockouts.



Patrick Cote got cut after 3 straight losses....and one was a title fight...and they cut him right before a Montreal card
Gerald Harris got cut after 1 loss after posting 3 impressive consecutive victories
Phil Baroni is a popular fighter and always brings it, but still got cut after 3 losses.
Cro Cop got cut after 2 losses in a row in a very shallow HW division. and im not even going to touch his popularity
Efrain Escudero got cut after 1 loss. hes a TUF winner (and we know how much they are favoured) and had a UFC record of 3-2
Thales Leites got cut after losing 1 fight after his title fight

there are others i can name if i do some research but those are off the top of my head. i know about the varying circumstances, but even so no one really expected the axe to fall so soon on any of them, save Baroni. i agree with your points (like Matt Brown) but there is always reason for concern once a fighter hits the magic number of 3 losses

Hardy, Danzig, Stevenson, Brown, and probably some others currently have/had a 3 fight losing streak and are still employed but are probably 1 loss away from getting the pink slip...so it does go both ways




Don't forget Thales Letites. He was the first guy to go 5 rounds with the Spider then lost a bs decision agains Alessio and still got his walking papers.
prozacnation1978
3/27/11 10:46:07PM
I didn't think he would
Hardy brings it and besides. He is one of the very few euro stars they have
In europe
GSPCanada
3/28/11 12:46:08AM

Posted by Budgellism


Posted by GSPCanada

You won't see hardy fight amir. like people already said he's a huge draw in the uk, but they can't keep him around for 4 losses, he will probably draw a guy like paulo thiago, a good fighter with heavy hands but hardy is still the better striker, but thiago has no takedowns. he might even get john howard, don't expect him to get anyone with above average takedowns for the remainder of the year



And who says Amir would even win that fight? You make it sound like it's a guaranteed loss if Hardy fought Amir. I would say Howard has a better chance of beating Hardy than Amir does. He's a talented wrestler with good power, clearly Hardy's kryptonite. Amir isn't known for his takedowns, that's for sure.



I'm not sure if he will win that fight, I just think it is too close of a fight for the ufc to schedule, hardy will not be in the ufc after a 4th straight loss, i could see him getting someone else and then getting amir (because it would be a great fight) sadollah is well rounded he's a good striker probably just as good as hardy - hardy probably has better boxing, sodallah better kicks and muay thai - but if sodallah does see the need to take it to the ground he will, mainly because he has a better training team. John howard is a dangerous guy but a good fit for hardy, he is a good wrestler but not a great wrestler and hardy will probably be able to stay on the outside to avoid the takedown and the big power.
scoozna
3/28/11 10:02:57AM

Posted by SmileR

If Hardy wants to be taken seriously in MMA he should move to the US to train. Its clearly obvious now that England can't keep up with the US when it comes to wrestling.
Or his team could do what the Wolfslair did and bring in a good American wrestling coach.



This...and what FastKnockout said. He has value to the UFC as he is, for who he is. He could be a lot better, but even if he doesn't get better he's a draw for UK fans.

I love his brawler attitude, his I-just-want-to-punch-someone-in-the-mouth-attitude, although it's starting to ring hollow. And I love how he plays around with Bruce Buffer as he's being introduced.

He's fun to watch, as you sit on the edge of your seat waiting to see if he'll land the-big-one. But the charm of a fighter like that doesn't last forever...
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