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jakewalters
3/30/13 5:07:10PM
My feelings when I looked over the bids and realized I only got one guy...



but then I was all like

trevail
3/30/13 6:59:55PM

Posted by jae_1833


Posted by jakewalters

1/10?!?! Ffs.


With 3/4 Mil bids how are we going to compete...however all the big named guys have been taken so hopefully it goes back to "normal". Either that or just like in poker the guys with the loot can really bully the pot and screw us all real hard.



yeah its a huge disadvantage for those of us that didn't have big names (washouts ranked worse than top 80) last round. A lot of peoples votes seemed to based solely on name power so its gonna be hard again this round with all the names being scooped up early by huge bids.

Example, a "name" fighter scoring a TKO is more impressive than a lesser known scoring a true KO?

This time around will probably just be a learning experience for me since my original gameplan seems to be shot....
jakewalters
3/30/13 7:53:44PM

Posted by trevail


Posted by jae_1833


Posted by jakewalters

1/10?!?! Ffs.


With 3/4 Mil bids how are we going to compete...however all the big named guys have been taken so hopefully it goes back to "normal". Either that or just like in poker the guys with the loot can really bully the pot and screw us all real hard.



yeah its a huge disadvantage for those of us that didn't have big names (washouts ranked worse than top 80) last round. A lot of peoples votes seemed to based solely on name power so its gonna be hard again this round with all the names being scooped up early by huge bids.

Example, a "name" fighter scoring a TKO is more impressive than a lesser known scoring a true KO?

This time around will probably just be a learning experience for me since my original gameplan seems to be shot....



Couldn't agree more. I tried to judge cards more on entertaining finishes rather than which card had which fighter. It's sort of like giving the best teams from last season the first picks in next year's draft. It perpetuates the good orgs getting better and the bad ones getting worse.

Not that I'm trying to compain, I definitely think good cards should be rewarded, and having good fighters is definitely a part of that. I'd rather see Reem and JDS fight to decision than two no names get a flash KO.

Still though.. I spent 300k on Daron Cruickshank thinking that was a shit load of coin to be spending on one guy. Next thing I know, I see bids for like 3m when they're posted haha wtf
Poor_Franklin
3/30/13 8:16:04PM
lol every draft project ive been in has been a learning experience. i suck at these, but they sure are fun

also, when i vote on cards, the result of the fights do have some say so. the 1st round is always difficult bc of the guys i dont know. lots of the little guys fight to decisions, but i dont know if theyre exciting decisions or boring bc ive never seen a guy fight before.

everyone votes different ways for different reasons, which in my opinion makes the game more fun

i personally vote a little different each time, on both fight cards & fight results, based on my mood that day & how im feeling.

sometimes i would think that guy has a 10% chance of winning a fight, but since anything can happen in mma, i'll give em that win every now & again, just bc that's how the sport works. im sure not everyone does this, but thats how i roll
trevail
3/30/13 9:30:25PM
I agree with you guys fully and I can see where different view points come from. There were a cpl fights I was totally suprised by.
oForrestGriffino
3/31/13 2:19:18AM
This game seems to be about making mistakes which alot of us did from the beginning including myself. Its also about choices. When it comes to voting some ppl know more fighters than others. I was ranked anywhere from 1st to 10th for example when it came to card votes. Its a game of choices, strategy, and making the right decisions.

Im all for it tho, I like the suspense.
jjeans
3/31/13 8:29:00AM

Posted by oForrestGriffino


Posted by Poor_Franklin

This game seems to be about making mistakes which alot of us did from the beginning including myself. Its also about choices. When it comes to voting some ppl know more fighters than others. I was ranked anywhere from 1st to 10th for example when it came to card votes. Its a game of choices, strategy, and making the right decisions.

Im all for it tho, I like the suspense.



everyone votes different ways for different reasons, which in my opinion makes the game more fun





I'm a weird MMA fan. I love Nick Ring, thought Hendo/Machida was exciting, Mike Easton is the least entertaining fighter I've ever seen, I don't hate lay and pray fighters, I hate the opponent for letting them do it. There is no point in trying to please me.


Posted by Poor_Franklin

sometimes i would think that guy has a 10% chance of winning a fight, but since anything can happen in mma, i'll give em that win every now & again, just bc that's how the sport works. im sure not everyone does this, but thats how i roll



I try to do the same thing unless I know nothing about fighters. Also looking back on past projects, people have picked Diego Brandao before TUF and he lost I think every fight in the draft project. TUF comes along and he gets exposed.

EDIT:
Little Draft Project Trivia for you, Diego Brandao was picked by Rabi he was ranked 78th at FW and cost 220k per fight. The draft began in September, Diego made his UFC debut in December His record went like this:

FW Diego Brandao v Tomonari Kanomata - Brandao rd1 tko
FW Title - Joe Soto v Diego Brandao - Soto UD
FW Diego Brandao v Pablo Garza - Garza rd1 tko
FW George Roop v Diego Brandao - Roop rd2 tko
FW Diego Brandao v Jonathan Brookins - Brandao rd1 tko
FW Title (C) George Roop v Diego Brandao - Roop UD
SF 1 FW Jonathan Brookins v Diego Brandao - Brandao rd1 tko
FW GP Final Diego Brandao v Tyson Griffin - Griffin UD

Also he was introduced into the second round of bidding and nobody snatched him up...
jae_1833
3/31/13 11:45:29AM
I have a couple of things I voted on. Yes named fighters was one, but also who they matched up with, how many fights were finished and how, and lastly I gave each guy who posted more than the minimum number of fights an additional rank, just yo reward the player for nabbing up previously unknown fighters and giving them a chance to shine. It is to me more than simply voting on your organization's card, it is voting on your organization.
trevail
3/31/13 12:58:30PM
Yeah my thought process was to acquire prospects on their way up rather than UFC releases on their way down (epic failure). As for voting, I also looked for full cards because let's face it no one is paying to see a 5 fight card in reality, and then I looked at the quality of the fighters and then the match making. One sided beatdowns featuring one name fighter don't really hold much weight in my eyes.
Rabi
3/31/13 1:09:49PM
I rank all the individual fights from the fights I would most enjoy watching down to the least. Names and finishes tend to well with my system.

I love the fact every one uses a different system.

I hope all the new players are enjoying the game, this is my favourite game to run and play in.
oForrestGriffino
3/31/13 1:51:06PM
I judged the cards based off of what cards Id like to see from first to last. The way I ranked my top 3 cards was by seeing that they had name recognition in almost every fight and to me that is a better card than some of the bigger cards with less or no name recognition. I dont like ranking unknowns too high. Ive seen it time and time again when someone is undefeated, joins the UFC, and then loses their first fight. However, if someone has only one or two descent fights on a 5-7 fights card then theres a good chance that I would rank a 10 fight card higher. I felt I ranked pretty accurate for the most part. Its not likely for anyone to have the exact same 10. Anyone can argue to be up or down a rank or two IMO when it comes to how I voted. I really enjoy the game as well and all its surprises.
Budgellism
3/31/13 2:10:46PM

Posted by Rabi

I rank all the individual fights from the fights I would most enjoy watching down to the least. Names and finishes tend to well with my system.



jae_1833
3/31/13 2:32:04PM
Something else I do is in this notebook I have I write down the cards to assist in making picks when the card is announced. If I see an interesting or exciting fight then I just give them a little star, it's very elementary but you want stars in my class.
trevail
3/31/13 2:39:45PM
Absolutely, I thought Rabi did a great job creating a large card with even fights featuring above average name value. Easy number one for me. Brookins vs Bermudez would truly be a sick fight so that also aided the card on top of an easy FOTN pick.
trevail
3/31/13 2:42:48PM
Like I said before its definitely a learning experience for me this time around. Unfortunately even doing average in the first round has severely handicapped me moving forward. It would have cost half my bankroll to secure just a few top names. Then I'd have to try and cover salary on top of that.
Poor_Franklin
3/31/13 3:45:06PM
i bumped trevail up a bit for filling his fight card. i would love to pay to see a fight card w/ 10 as opposed to 5, so gave him bonus points.

also, if i cant decide between a few cards based on the eye test, i will rank each fight 1-5, add the total, & decide that way. if they still end up w/ same #, i decide between, main card, comain & main, or just main, until i dont have a tie
jae_1833
3/31/13 3:50:37PM
For sure, I can't compete with $700K bids right now and then end up actually able to pay for the fights. However when trading becomes important I think it will add an aspect to the game to help even the scores. Nobody ever said that two organizations (or more) couldn't help each other out...in fact I would think that with having it's own thread that it is even encouraged. For example : five to six cards from now out comes the big Anderson Silva bids, you get him but can't afford to put him on...would a temporary loan for some cash be legal? Say a guy has all the other quality MW's, just to put him on have him fight in your or any other org at LHW and if you can afford it then either bring him back home or complete the transaction as an all out purchase for the rest of the loot.
Rabi
3/31/13 4:00:45PM
You can trade but you cant loan, in theory you could do a trade and then trade back, but if the other person doesnt agree to the trade back the your shafted lol.
jjeans
3/31/13 5:31:53PM

Posted by jjeans

I'm a weird MMA fan. I love Nick Ring, thought Hendo/Machida was exciting, Mike Easton is the least entertaining fighter I've ever seen, I don't hate lay and pray fighters, I hate the opponent for letting them do it. There is no point in trying to please me.



THAT MOMENT WHEN YOU REALIZE IF GUS/MOSSASI IS CALLED OFF PICKETT EASTON WILL BE MAIN EVENT.

trevail
3/31/13 6:00:43PM



Posted by jjeans

I'm a weird MMA fan. I love Nick Ring, thought Hendo/Machida was exciting, Mike Easton is the least entertaining fighter I've ever seen, I don't hate lay and pray fighters, I hate the opponent for letting them do it. There is no point in trying to please me.



On the Nick Ring topic, I train Jiu Jitsu at the same gym as Ring has been working his Mauy Thai and he is the humblest nicest guy. If you don't follow MMA you would not guess that he fights in the world's premier organization. The guy gets so much hate online it's pretty insane, he easily would have beat McGee to win his season of TUF. Does he talk with a lisp? yes. Is he gay? No. Does it really fucking matter? No not at all...
jae_1833
3/31/13 10:53:35PM
I never even realized that there was hate getting pushed his way...he doesn't make me jump out of my seat when I hear him announced for a fight but I don't do that for most guys. I certainly would not understand anyone hating on the guy, that's for sure.
jakewalters
3/31/13 11:01:31PM
FUCK NICK RING MAN
jae_1833
3/31/13 11:43:52PM
I see what your saying Ray, that there needs to be either oversight, supervision or straight up trust between the two parties. I think it is shady at best but I was just brainstorming.
Poor_Franklin
4/1/13 1:30:11AM
my friend always says "Nick Ring has a Dick Ring"
trevail
4/1/13 2:18:57AM

Posted by jakewalters

FUCK NICK RING MAN



This is the furthest thing from an intelligent rebuttal but I guess since its in all caps you must win the debate. I bow out because you sir are both a gentleman and a scholar...
trevail
4/1/13 2:25:13AM

Posted by Poor_Franklin

my friend always says "Nick Ring has a Dick Ring"


I totally get that he's a different dude and doesn't come across as your average pugilist but I think all his fights on TUF were entertaining and his UFC tenure has been decent aside from the Camozzi fight. I just find it ridiculous when you come across comments like "I hope Ring loses cuz he's a fag", not so much on here but the sherdog and mmamania forums were littered with these such Bob Arum-isms...
Bubbles
4/1/13 10:30:28AM
I'll send my bids in tonight after work. Sorry for the holdup, I've spent no time on here this weekend due to work and Easter
jjeans
4/1/13 12:48:33PM

Posted by jakewalters

FUCK NICK RING MAN



I MAN FUCK NICK RING
jjeans
4/1/13 1:56:49PM
In future games we need to develop a system of some kind.... Like 3 strikes and your out or something

Maybe like 48 hours to get a pick in and 60 hours to get a bid/card in or else your skipped....

You can give holiday notice etc which'd make you exempt, but sometimes 2 and a half days sounds like a long time.
Rabi
4/1/13 2:31:11PM
We're waiting on Bubbles and hashy, theyve both said they will send me there votes today, once I get them I will update.
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