What was Big John warning Jones about??
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What was Big John warning Jones about??
BuffaloDave
9/24/12 9:48:14AM
During the fight Big John had warned Jones a few times about something? I think it was for having an open hand to defend himself, is that true?
shaneTpain
9/24/12 10:14:30AM
I think Big John was just lookin out for Vitor's eye balls
scoozna
9/24/12 10:15:18AM
Yeah...i heard that a couple of times...worried about the eye pokes.
And the ref during the Hamill fight was trying to tell him to "watch the back of the head" when he was doing the hammerfists ...and not trying to be funny here...it's Matt Hamill, you gotta get his attention some way other than repeating yourself louder.
And the ref during the Hamill fight was trying to tell him to "watch the back of the head" when he was doing the hammerfists ...and not trying to be funny here...it's Matt Hamill, you gotta get his attention some way other than repeating yourself louder.
ghandikush
9/24/12 11:36:45AM
Posted by scoozna
Yeah...i heard that a couple of times...worried about the eye pokes.
And the ref during the Hamill fight was trying to tell him to "watch the back of the head" when he was doing the hammerfists ...and not trying to be funny here...it's Matt Hamill, you gotta get his attention some way other than repeating yourself louder.
Idiot moment of the night.
Budgellism
9/24/12 12:37:18PM
Posted by scoozna
Yeah...i heard that a couple of times...worried about the eye pokes.
And the ref during the Hamill fight was trying to tell him to "watch the back of the head" when he was doing the hammerfists ...and not trying to be funny here...it's Matt Hamill, you gotta get his attention some way other than repeating yourself louder.
Very true. It hasn't really been an issue because I don't really remember him hitting the back of the head before but he hit Hollett in the back of the head many times. They weren't big shots by any means and I'm never going to accuse Hamill of doing that purposely, especially in the position he was and how many shots he ended up throwing but more than a few snuck through. I wonder how they'll deal with that in the future. It's not like you can just stop the guy entirely and have him read your lips.
FastKnockout
9/24/12 1:19:17PM
Best part was at the start of the fight when Belfort went for a headkick while Jones was crawling. He tried to get Big John to call it but he said something along the lines of "That's what happens when you wanna play games." 
airkerma
9/24/12 1:21:04PM
Posted by FastKnockout
Best part was at the start of the fight when Belfort went for a headkick while Jones was crawling. He tried to get Big John to call it but he said something along the lines of "That's what happens when you wanna play games."
Haha thanks for jogging my memory, that was great.
State_Champ
9/24/12 3:28:27PM
Posted by FastKnockout
Best part was at the start of the fight when Belfort went for a headkick while Jones was crawling. He tried to get Big John to call it but he said something along the lines of "That's what happens when you wanna play games."
What?
I don't get it.
He didn't warn Belfort for purposely trying to kick a "downed opponent" in the head?
That's some messed up reffing.
I get that what Jones was doing seems silly to many people, but it is well within the rules.
Did Big John at least warn Belfort after expressing his personal distaste for Jones' crawling?
LuckyCharms
9/24/12 4:05:28PM
Posted by State_Champ
What?
I don't get it.
He didn't warn Belfort for purposely trying to kick a "downed opponent" in the head?
That's some messed up reffing.
I didn't watch the main card, but I've seen how Jones starts a match. Jones crawls on his hands and tip-toes. A down opponent is one where the fighter knee is on the ground. Within the rules, Belfort threw a legal kick. That's why Big John didn't warned Belfort of that kick.
tmas
9/24/12 5:36:08PM
Posted by LuckyCharms
Posted by State_Champ
What?
I don't get it.
He didn't warn Belfort for purposely trying to kick a "downed opponent" in the head?
That's some messed up reffing.
I didn't watch the main card, but I've seen how Jones starts a match. Jones crawls on his hands and tip-toes. A down opponent is one where the fighter knee is on the ground. Within the rules, Belfort threw a legal kick. That's why Big John didn't warned Belfort of that kick.
the onl problem with that is a hand is considerded down. thats why jones starts the fight that way so no one can rush him unpreparred with strikes.
voodoo-jitsu
9/24/12 5:37:15PM
Posted by LuckyCharms
Posted by State_Champ
What?
I don't get it.
He didn't warn Belfort for purposely trying to kick a "downed opponent" in the head?
That's some messed up reffing.
I didn't watch the main card, but I've seen how Jones starts a match. Jones crawls on his hands and tip-toes. A down opponent is one where the fighter knee is on the ground. Within the rules, Belfort threw a legal kick. That's why Big John didn't warned Belfort of that kick.
i hope someone would dropkick jones in the face when hes down like that.
kingsmasher
9/24/12 9:22:33PM
Theres just lots of Jon Jones haters..>Even the refs....Hes easy to hate when hes utterly destroyed everyone hes faced...Never been taken down...Never on his back...Hes easy to hate...Hes been my favorite and I knew hed be champ from way before any title shot....but I would like to see him get in trouble...not lose...Only way to beat him is bum rush him with a million punches...and hope you connect...I have said though with his reach he will disrupt any power with his reach...You cant win!!
Get use to it!! He could beat any 2 LHW in the same night if it was a tournament...I mean 2 fresh guys one after the other...
Get use to it!! He could beat any 2 LHW in the same night if it was a tournament...I mean 2 fresh guys one after the other...
LuckyCharms
9/24/12 9:45:04PM
You're right, within the MMA rules ABC Boxing- Association of Boxing
16. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
A grounded opponent is any fighter who has more than just the soles of their feet on the ground. (i.e. could have one shin or one finger down to be considered a downed fighter) If the referee determines that a fighter would be a grounded fighter but is not solely because the ring ropes or cage fence has held fighter from the ground, the referee can instruct the combatants that he is treating the fighter held up solely by the cage or ropes as a grounded fighter
16. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
A grounded opponent is any fighter who has more than just the soles of their feet on the ground. (i.e. could have one shin or one finger down to be considered a downed fighter) If the referee determines that a fighter would be a grounded fighter but is not solely because the ring ropes or cage fence has held fighter from the ground, the referee can instruct the combatants that he is treating the fighter held up solely by the cage or ropes as a grounded fighter
FastKnockout
9/25/12 7:22:36AM
Posted by kingsmasher
Theres just lots of Jon Jones haters..>Even the refs....Hes easy to hate when hes utterly destroyed everyone hes faced...Never been taken down...Never on his back...Hes easy to hate...Hes been my favorite and I knew hed be champ from way before any title shot....but I would like to see him get in trouble...not lose...Only way to beat him is bum rush him with a million punches...and hope you connect...I have said though with his reach he will disrupt any power with his reach...You cant win!!
Get use to it!! He could beat any 2 LHW in the same night if it was a tournament...I mean 2 fresh guys one after the other...
It's true, he is easy to hate but it's only because no one likes a false saint. We all hate guys like Tito and Koscheck because they're villians but IMO it's worse when you can't get an accurate reading on a guy.
bjj1605
9/25/12 10:18:59AM
I actually didn't like the warning for the open hands.
It's one thing if you're striking with open fingers and quite another if you're extending an open hand to push or gauge distance. IMO Jones was obviously doing the later.
It's one thing if you're striking with open fingers and quite another if you're extending an open hand to push or gauge distance. IMO Jones was obviously doing the later.
ghandikush
9/25/12 11:11:32AM
Posted by kingsmasher
Theres just lots of Jon Jones haters..>Even the refs....Hes easy to hate when hes utterly destroyed everyone hes faced...Never been taken down...Never on his back...Hes easy to hate...Hes been my favorite and I knew hed be champ from way before any title shot....but I would like to see him get in trouble...not lose...Only way to beat him is bum rush him with a million punches...and hope you connect...I have said though with his reach he will disrupt any power with his reach...You cant win!!
Get use to it!! He could beat any 2 LHW in the same night if it was a tournament...I mean 2 fresh guys one after the other...
No, his biggest weakness is cardio, second biggest is striking. He has a solid chin, long reach, and superior wrestling so it nullifies someone squarely beating him and his well roundedness saves him from being finished even if hurt.
HOWEVER, his biggest weakness is his 30-35 pound cut to 205 that leaves him usually under 3 rounds of solid cardio. Anyone who could outwrestle, out strike, or overall control him and his tempo can beat him.
Right now Lyoto is all we have, maybe Gustaffson. Bot are faster, better standing technique and unusual very hard to takedown movement. Either could potentially control his tempo and even outscore him for 3 rounds. After that aside from one of Jones' Fedoresque combination finishes (throw takedown and cut elbows, flash submission etc) he wont be more than a slow vulnerable target.
The best challenges at 205 are yet to come, but make no mistake, they are coming.
prophecy033
9/25/12 11:37:55AM
At least Tito and Kos are being themselves while Jones is a fake humble guy. When Jones starts talking all I can do is
Posted by FastKnockout
Posted by kingsmasher
Theres just lots of Jon Jones haters..>Even the refs....Hes easy to hate when hes utterly destroyed everyone hes faced...Never been taken down...Never on his back...Hes easy to hate...Hes been my favorite and I knew hed be champ from way before any title shot....but I would like to see him get in trouble...not lose...Only way to beat him is bum rush him with a million punches...and hope you connect...I have said though with his reach he will disrupt any power with his reach...You cant win!!
Get use to it!! He could beat any 2 LHW in the same night if it was a tournament...I mean 2 fresh guys one after the other...
It's true, he is easy to hate but it's only because no one likes a false saint. We all hate guys like Tito and Koscheck because they're villians but IMO it's worse when you can't get an accurate reading on a guy.
......same thing I do when teh kingsmasher posts
State_Champ
9/25/12 11:58:34AM
Posted by voodoo-jitsu
Posted by LuckyCharms
Posted by State_Champ
What?
I don't get it.
He didn't warn Belfort for purposely trying to kick a "downed opponent" in the head?
That's some messed up reffing.
I didn't watch the main card, but I've seen how Jones starts a match. Jones crawls on his hands and tip-toes. A down opponent is one where the fighter knee is on the ground. Within the rules, Belfort threw a legal kick. That's why Big John didn't warned Belfort of that kick.
i hope someone would dropkick jones in the face when hes down like that.
You mean beyond the general hope we all have that any fighter would get dropkicked during a MMA match?
Because I'm not picky- Personally, I'd like to see more dropkicks to the face in any given fight.
Bubbles
9/25/12 1:07:12PM
Posted by FastKnockout
it's worse when you can't get an accurate reading on a guy.
That's where Brimage's scouter comes in handy
Bubbles
9/25/12 1:10:55PM
Posted by State_Champ
Posted by voodoo-jitsu
i hope someone would dropkick jones in the face when hes down like that.
You mean beyond the general hope we all have that any fighter would get dropkicked during a MMA match?
Because I'm not picky- Personally, I'd like to see more dropkicks to the face in any given fight.
State_Champ
9/25/12 1:26:16PM
Posted by Bubbles
Posted by State_Champ
Posted by voodoo-jitsu
i hope someone would dropkick jones in the face when hes down like that.
You mean beyond the general hope we all have that any fighter would get dropkicked during a MMA match?
Because I'm not picky- Personally, I'd like to see more dropkicks to the face in any given fight.
MOAR!
EDIT: Besides the dropkicks, I did not like that fight.
Still, y'know, dropkicks are cool.
Chael_Sonnen
9/25/12 2:45:21PM
Big John wasn't warning JJ - - -
He was quoting 1 Corinthians 10:31 - - - So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
JJ replied, Hell YAH! I love me some God, so I'm gonna drink me some MGD's and do me some endangering, WOOT-WOOT!
He was quoting 1 Corinthians 10:31 - - - So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
JJ replied, Hell YAH! I love me some God, so I'm gonna drink me some MGD's and do me some endangering, WOOT-WOOT!
ghandikush
9/25/12 2:51:35PM
Posted by State_Champ
Posted by Bubbles
Posted by State_Champ
Posted by voodoo-jitsu
i hope someone would dropkick jones in the face when hes down like that.
You mean beyond the general hope we all have that any fighter would get dropkicked during a MMA match?
Because I'm not picky- Personally, I'd like to see more dropkicks to the face in any given fight.
MOAR!
EDIT: Besides the dropkicks, I did not like that fight.
Still, y'know, dropkicks are cool.
Dropass
BuffaloDave
9/25/12 9:54:14PM
Posted by ghandikush
Posted by kingsmasher
Theres just lots of Jon Jones haters..>Even the refs....Hes easy to hate when hes utterly destroyed everyone hes faced...Never been taken down...Never on his back...Hes easy to hate...Hes been my favorite and I knew hed be champ from way before any title shot....but I would like to see him get in trouble...not lose...Only way to beat him is bum rush him with a million punches...and hope you connect...I have said though with his reach he will disrupt any power with his reach...You cant win!!
Get use to it!! He could beat any 2 LHW in the same night if it was a tournament...I mean 2 fresh guys one after the other...
No, his biggest weakness is cardio, second biggest is striking. He has a solid chin, long reach, and superior wrestling so it nullifies someone squarely beating him and his well roundedness saves him from being finished even if hurt.
HOWEVER, his biggest weakness is his 30-35 pound cut to 205 that leaves him usually under 3 rounds of solid cardio. Anyone who could outwrestle, out strike, or overall control him and his tempo can beat him.
Right now Lyoto is all we have, maybe Gustaffson. Bot are faster, better standing technique and unusual very hard to takedown movement. Either could potentially control his tempo and even outscore him for 3 rounds. After that aside from one of Jones' Fedoresque combination finishes (throw takedown and cut elbows, flash submission etc) he wont be more than a slow vulnerable target.
The best challenges at 205 are yet to come, but make no mistake, they are coming.
His striking is a weakness??? Um no!!!!! He has probably the most devastating elbows in MMA, his kicks in all areas are pretty on point as well.
Bubbles
9/25/12 10:23:05PM
Posted by BuffaloDave
Posted by ghandikush
No, his biggest weakness is cardio, second biggest is striking. He has a solid chin, long reach, and superior wrestling so it nullifies someone squarely beating him and his well roundedness saves him from being finished even if hurt.
His striking is a weakness??? Um no!!!!! He has probably the most devastating elbows in MMA, his kicks in all areas are pretty on point as well.
To be fair, he also has a 10" reach on almost all his opponents. If he had the same striking skill set but did not have such a massive reach advantage, he would not nearly be as effective. Some of the top strikers in the division would be able to expose this. Jones doesn't throw combos either.
I wouldn't call striking a strength, but due to his reach, it's not really a weakness either
prozacnation1978
9/27/12 7:18:40PM
wish belfort would have landed the kick in the start to jones mug
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