who is best tuf winner so far?? worst winner??

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prozacnation1978
3/15/08 12:52:40PM
i know a 7th season is upon us, just curious to see who your best tuf winner is

season one
diego sanchez, forrest griffin

season two
joe stevenson, rashad evans

season three
kendell grove, michael bisping

seaon four ( even though it was for a belt, not contract)
matt serra, travis lutter

season five
nate diaz

season six
mac danzig


we have some good fighters, have alot of arguments, of who was the best. serra won a title, but has not defended it yet,, forrest beat shogun, up for a title shot, stevenson just lost his,, for me the worst on the list has to be kendall grove, i never liked him, i think ed herman is a better fighter right now then him. and for the best i would say griffin and evans. would love to watch those two fight eachother. i know the jury is still out for diaz and danzig. danzig was in a league of his own, curious to see how he will do in the next year. i am surprised that not one has held a title yet besides serra which was just for a title shot but i mean, the others. the tuf series do have alot of excellent fighters that didn't win like florian, kos, hamill, lauzon, and swick to name a few
TimW001
3/15/08 12:54:59PM
Nate and Mac haven't been around long enough to make a splash. So I would say the lowest Tuf winner would be kendall. And the best Tuf winner obviously Forrest.
SpiderSilva
3/15/08 12:56:04PM
as of now Serra do to winning a title fight followed by Stevenson and top three ended with the ever improving unquartinated Griffin
NatedawgThaM
3/15/08 12:59:06PM
Best-The best winner by far is Forrest. The only one that comes close is Rashad but he hasn't even been tested yet but an elite fighter.

Bisping is overrated, Joe's been doing good for himself, Nate needs to be tested, Diego was the best until that BS loss to Kos because of Staph and then the close decision loss to Fitch but he looks like he's back with a vengance. Kendall was doing great until people started aiming for the chin.

Worst- Serra, Lutter, or Bisping. Yeah Serra won the title but he hasn't defended the title in a year which is horrible. He shouldn't even have accepted to be on the TUF6 show without getting in a defense first. Lutter can't even make weight. I hate Bisping because he beat chumps, gets his ass kicked by Hamil and then gets the BS decision from England and then taunts him. F***** B****.
SpiderSilva
3/15/08 1:03:19PM
My wife did remind me that Rashad hasnt lost to anyone even Tito <--Test but didn't lose


Wife exact words"That boring black guy that keeps winning"
Aaronno9
3/15/08 1:20:20PM

Posted by SpiderSilva

My wife did remind me that Rashad hasnt lost to anyone even Tito <--Test but didn't lose


Wife exact words"That boring black guy that keeps winning"




Lol.

I think the best winner is joe stevenson followed closely by griffin. Im expecting big things from mac also, but as he hasnt fought since the show its way to early to say him.

Worst winners where travis and serra. That whole title shot senario was bs imo, and lutter still didnt even make weight for the fight he didnt deserve in the first place. And he hasnt fought since. I still dont rate serra very highly (im no gsp nuthugger before anybody say anything like that) and since hes only had 1 fight since the show i cant see how he can be ranked as one of the best winners.
juanez13
3/15/08 1:33:58PM
Best -Joe daddy, Mac seems pretty good but still untested, diaz seems to be doing pretty well too, forrest is doing good now too, he looks to me improving, and a win over shogun catapulted him to the top of the division.

Worse- Kendall grove, travis lutter......Grove was exposed, and now has a very suspect chin, last to showings having been the best, everyone now has a game plan for when they fight him, Hit him and he will go down........lutter couldnt eve make weight, went from contender to pretender, nothing else on him.
Mayhem13
3/15/08 2:44:38PM
Best-
Forrest
Joe Daddy
Rashad

Worst-
Lutter
Grove
Danzig
bls1919
3/15/08 2:54:47PM
Best TUF winner is a toss up for me between Stevenson and Forrest
Worst i would go with Grove but at least he can make weight, so I'll go with Lutter How do you not make weight in the biggest fight of his carreer

with a little more time i think Diaz will be great as well
keith-hackney1
3/15/08 2:55:07PM
best - forrest ... without a doubt. The tuf produced a fighter who stopped the most feared lhw in shogun, just for that fight he's the best tuf fighter.

Worst - Kendal grove ... He came out and beat a slack under trained ed herman and won, lost to cote, who i think is incredible, then lost to rivera when he was put there to win. I would say im discusted with bisping too, being a brit, he has let us down against hamil and rashad, now dropping down to fight a can !!!! WTF .. ??
xchickox
3/15/08 3:14:24PM
Best....Stevenson....he's top 5 lightweight, has so much talent and keeps getting better and better

worst....lutter....shouldn't be back in the ufc after not making weight for the title fight
Pookie
3/15/08 3:42:59PM
Best is forrest griffin undoubtably

Worst is Kendall grove.
jocksmall
3/15/08 5:03:35PM

Posted by NatedawgThaM

Best-The best winner by far is Forrest. The only one that comes close is Rashad but he hasn't even been tested yet but an elite fighter.

Bisping is overrated, Joe's been doing good for himself, Nate needs to be tested, Diego was the best until that BS loss to Kos because of Staph and then the close decision loss to Fitch but he looks like he's back with a vengance. Kendall was doing great until people started aiming for the chin.

Worst- Serra, Lutter, or Bisping. Yeah Serra won the title but he hasn't defended the title in a year which is horrible. He shouldn't even have accepted to be on the TUF6 show without getting in a defense first. Lutter can't even make weight. I hate Bisping because he beat chumps, gets his ass kicked by Hamil and then gets the BS decision from England and then taunts him. F***** B****.


serra koed the guy who many considered at the time the best pound for pound guy in the world. he was injured thats the reason he didnt defend. your post makes no sense. the guy has been outstanding how can you call him the worst. lutter gave anderson his best fight in the ufc and bisping has been solid.
my best would be serra hes the champ i agree that forrest is also up there
my worst is kendell grove
Kracker_Jap
3/15/08 5:17:29PM

Posted by jocksmall


Posted by NatedawgThaM

Best-The best winner by far is Forrest. The only one that comes close is Rashad but he hasn't even been tested yet but an elite fighter.

Bisping is overrated, Joe's been doing good for himself, Nate needs to be tested, Diego was the best until that BS loss to Kos because of Staph and then the close decision loss to Fitch but he looks like he's back with a vengance. Kendall was doing great until people started aiming for the chin.

Worst- Serra, Lutter, or Bisping. Yeah Serra won the title but he hasn't defended the title in a year which is horrible. He shouldn't even have accepted to be on the TUF6 show without getting in a defense first. Lutter can't even make weight. I hate Bisping because he beat chumps, gets his ass kicked by Hamil and then gets the BS decision from England and then taunts him. F***** B****.


serra koed the guy who many considered at the time the best pound for pound guy in the world. he was injured thats the reason he didnt defend. your post makes no sense. the guy has been outstanding how can you call him the worst. lutter gave anderson his best fight in the ufc and bisping has been solid.
my best would be serra hes the champ i agree that forrest is also up there
my worst is kendell grove



Right on the money
BlazinSaddle
3/15/08 5:31:29PM
best::: Forrest

worst::: Kendall Grove
seanfu
3/15/08 5:37:45PM
Nate and Mac could be argued but not proven. I would have to say Rashad and Bisping are tied fot the #1 spot.

The worst winner is probably Travis Lutter, (I don't feel he'll ever crack the top 5) at MIDDLEWEIGHT.

I think you could say Stevenson deserves that #1 spot but Evans hasn't been derailed yet and Bisping could be a much better fighter at middleweight.
backalley101
3/15/08 6:42:46PM
You really can't consider Serra TUFF winner. That was the comeback show. The best TUFF winner has to be Forrest. He's improved in all aspects of his game. And he's a warrior. The' worst, hands-down, has to be Kendall. Doesn't look good for Kendall.
jae_1833
3/15/08 6:57:58PM
Best Forrest and Joe
Worst Lutter!!!! BY FAR!!!!
Most of the others are in the mix, but just not elite. Bisping, Diego, Rashad...they all look good and show potential.
I have to say that seeing Serra as a champ has been soo cool. The guy is humble, and as real as you can get. I kind of hope he wins again (not betting on it though) just so that I can continue to see him. His attitude has made a fan out of me for sure!!!
Twenty20Dollars
3/15/08 7:05:44PM
I think Kendall grove should rematch Ed Herman after herman's next fight

then after diaz and danzig win, they should fight each other.
Franklinfan47
3/15/08 7:28:33PM
Thus far, this is how I rank the winners:

1. Serra-beat the best ww in the world and captured title.
2. Stevenson-fought for the title against Penn.
3. Griffin-beat Shogun and fighting Rampage for the title.
4.Evans-still undefeated since winning, stepping up to fight liddell.
5. Bisping- only defeated once since winning and that was against undefeated Evans. Dropping to mw and could be a big threat there.
6. Sanchez- almost earned a title shot at ww and despite two losses still remains a force at ww.
7. Diaz- has been undefeated in the octagon and looks better with each fight.
8. Danzig-only time will tell how he does at lw, but looks to be a solid prospect right now.
9. Lutter-although he had silva in trouble in his title shot, he's struggled to make weight time and time again and hasn't really accomplished too much in the octagon.
10. Grove-after two impressive wins he's been knocked out twice in his last two fights and future doesnt look too bright unless he can overcome his weak chin.




warglory
3/15/08 8:21:58PM
Forrest has faced the best competition with the best results, so definitely Forrest.
prozacnation1978
3/15/08 10:19:47PM
serra and lutter are winners for title shots not the same they weren't looking for 6 figure contracts,, anyways i liked tuf 4 i would love to see them do it again with one or two different weight classes, they really need heavyweights maybe frank mir and tim slyvia as coaches.
kofranklin
3/15/08 11:10:41PM
Best-Forrest
Worst-Grove
mkiv9secsupra
3/15/08 11:13:26PM

Ill go ahead and rank them all
1.Forrest Griffin
2.Diego Sanchez
3.Mac Danzig
4.Matt Serra
5.Joe Stevenson
6.Michael Bisping
7.Nate Diaz
8.Rashad Evans
9.Travis Lutter
10.Kendall Grove
RMFG_187
3/15/08 11:18:38PM
for my 400th post, im going with the

#4 LHW Contender

Forrest Griffin, with Honorable mentions too Serra, I mean he is Champ!
NatedawgThaM
3/16/08 12:59:46PM

Posted by jocksmall


Posted by NatedawgThaM

Best-The best winner by far is Forrest. The only one that comes close is Rashad but he hasn't even been tested yet but an elite fighter.

Bisping is overrated, Joe's been doing good for himself, Nate needs to be tested, Diego was the best until that BS loss to Kos because of Staph and then the close decision loss to Fitch but he looks like he's back with a vengance. Kendall was doing great until people started aiming for the chin.

Worst- Serra, Lutter, or Bisping. Yeah Serra won the title but he hasn't defended the title in a year which is horrible. He shouldn't even have accepted to be on the TUF6 show without getting in a defense first. Lutter can't even make weight. I hate Bisping because he beat chumps, gets his ass kicked by Hamil and then gets the BS decision from England and then taunts him. F***** B****.


serra koed the guy who many considered at the time the best pound for pound guy in the world. he was injured thats the reason he didnt defend. your post makes no sense. the guy has been outstanding how can you call him the worst. lutter gave anderson his best fight in the ufc and bisping has been solid.
my best would be serra hes the champ i agree that forrest is also up there
my worst is kendell grove



How can he be one of the best? Yeah one big win, big wow. How did he get that title shot? He beat a bunch of natural lightweights which he is himself who were kicked out of the UFC for a reason. That whole show was pointless. There's reason it was the worst TUF and was the least watched. Yeah he got injured before the Hughes fight, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MONTHS BEFORE THAT FIGHT WAS EVEN ANNOUNCED AND THE MONTHS AFTER HE BEAT GSP??? He should have defended the title and should have never accepted to be on the TUF 6 as a coach because we don't even know if he's for real yet or if he just got lucky.

Your logic makes no sense.
jiujitsufreak74
3/16/08 1:11:24PM

Posted by NatedawgThaM


Posted by jocksmall


Posted by NatedawgThaM

Best-The best winner by far is Forrest. The only one that comes close is Rashad but he hasn't even been tested yet but an elite fighter.

Bisping is overrated, Joe's been doing good for himself, Nate needs to be tested, Diego was the best until that BS loss to Kos because of Staph and then the close decision loss to Fitch but he looks like he's back with a vengance. Kendall was doing great until people started aiming for the chin.

Worst- Serra, Lutter, or Bisping. Yeah Serra won the title but he hasn't defended the title in a year which is horrible. He shouldn't even have accepted to be on the TUF6 show without getting in a defense first. Lutter can't even make weight. I hate Bisping because he beat chumps, gets his ass kicked by Hamil and then gets the BS decision from England and then taunts him. F***** B****.


serra koed the guy who many considered at the time the best pound for pound guy in the world. he was injured thats the reason he didnt defend. your post makes no sense. the guy has been outstanding how can you call him the worst. lutter gave anderson his best fight in the ufc and bisping has been solid.
my best would be serra hes the champ i agree that forrest is also up there
my worst is kendell grove



How can he be one of the best? Yeah one big win, big wow. How did he get that title shot? He beat a bunch of natural lightweights which he is himself who were kicked out of the UFC for a reason. That whole show was pointless. There's reason it was the worst TUF and was the least watched. Yeah he got injured before the Hughes fight, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MONTHS BEFORE THAT FIGHT WAS EVEN ANNOUNCED AND THE MONTHS AFTER HE BEAT GSP??? He should have defended the title and should have never accepted to be on the TUF 6 as a coach because we don't even know if he's for real yet or if he just got lucky.

Your logic makes no sense.



well your logic about him being the worst is also flawed. what is he supposed to do when he is offered to be a coach in TUF. it was for the title and the hype between him and Hughes. it isn't like he had a choice. ranking him the worst because of an injury and TUF isflawed logiv. also, he does have a big win, a huge win, but lets not forget the other great fights he had against Penn (the only one Penn couldn't finish during his reign of dominance), Edwards, Din, and Lytle who is now gaining some momentum. i just can't see how you could rank him the worst. i can understand about not the best...but the worst??? i would like to see Sanchez hold his own against GSP. i don't think Bisping, Herman, Grove, Evans or really anyone from the past couple of seasons are at his level. again, i can see how you rank him as not the best...but the worst is going way too far. anyone who can beat GSP is not the worst by any means.
jocksmall
3/16/08 1:19:40PM

Posted by NatedawgThaM


Posted by jocksmall


Posted by NatedawgThaM

Best-The best winner by far is Forrest. The only one that comes close is Rashad but he hasn't even been tested yet but an elite fighter.

Bisping is overrated, Joe's been doing good for himself, Nate needs to be tested, Diego was the best until that BS loss to Kos because of Staph and then the close decision loss to Fitch but he looks like he's back with a vengance. Kendall was doing great until people started aiming for the chin.

Worst- Serra, Lutter, or Bisping. Yeah Serra won the title but he hasn't defended the title in a year which is horrible. He shouldn't even have accepted to be on the TUF6 show without getting in a defense first. Lutter can't even make weight. I hate Bisping because he beat chumps, gets his ass kicked by Hamil and then gets the BS decision from England and then taunts him. F***** B****.


serra koed the guy who many considered at the time the best pound for pound guy in the world. he was injured thats the reason he didnt defend. your post makes no sense. the guy has been outstanding how can you call him the worst. lutter gave anderson his best fight in the ufc and bisping has been solid.
my best would be serra hes the champ i agree that forrest is also up there
my worst is kendell grove



How can he be one of the best? Yeah one big win, big wow. How did he get that title shot? He beat a bunch of natural lightweights which he is himself who were kicked out of the UFC for a reason. That whole show was pointless. There's reason it was the worst TUF and was the least watched. Yeah he got injured before the Hughes fight, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MONTHS BEFORE THAT FIGHT WAS EVEN ANNOUNCED AND THE MONTHS AFTER HE BEAT GSP??? He should have defended the title and should have never accepted to be on the TUF 6 as a coach because we don't even know if he's for real yet or if he just got lucky.

Your logic makes no sense.


i explained my logic and serra is the champ like it or not. because you didnt like the show has nothing to do with the question who is the best tough winner up till now. its not a popularity show. the ufc makes the fights and they wanted matt vs matt and it took some time then the injury. what does that have to do with the skill level ? because you dont like that show or you dont like serra hes no good? because he didnt fight for months hes no good? he won the show and then won the belt and hes the only tough winner to do so. he beat gsp he destroyed gsp. maybe you think forrest is better thats fine but my point was how can someone have the guy as the worst. by logic makes perfect sense.
whardin19
3/16/08 1:22:27PM
Good question here. I've watched every season of this show so far.

My best(in order): Rashad Evans, Joe Stevenson, Forrest Griffin, Matt Serra, Nate Diaz, Diego Sanchez, Micheal Bisping, and Mac Danzig.

My worst(in order): Kendall Grove and Travis Lutter.

In my opinion all of these fighters have turned out really well so far with the exception of Grove and Lutter. Grove never really impressed me with his win of TUF or his first few wins in the UFC. As for Lutter, not too happy with a guy that couldn't make weight for the biggest fight of his career.
Mastodon2
3/16/08 2:31:44PM

Posted by Mayhem13

Best-
Forrest
Joe Daddy
Rashad

Worst-
Lutter
Grove
Danzig



How can you call Danzig one of the worst? He won a contes for WW's while he normally fights at lightwight, and he beat the WW behemoth Tommy Speer and made it look easy. Danzig has a good career, not amazing names to win against but a good amount of solid experience. I expect Danzig to do well at LW, he is gonna be a success I think.
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