Who is the best CHAMPION to come from TUF? ...and why?

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Aiden08
2/25/10 7:18:51PM
I would def have to say Matt Serra.

I mean let's face it. He is the real life Rocky Balboa. Nobody gave him a shot against GSP and he desroyed him. I mean sure Forest and Rashad are good but they didn't have to fight argueably the best P4P fighter in the world right after the show for their first fight.
emfleek
2/25/10 7:38:31PM
Well, considering the fact that none of the three successfully defended their title, I'd say it's a 3-way tie, personally. They all get participation trophies.

Mchubb316
2/25/10 7:57:49PM

Posted by emfleek

Well, considering the fact that none of the three successfully defended their title, I'd say it's a 3-way tie, personally. They all get participation trophies.




I personally think it is great the show produced title holder, even if it was for a short time. None of the 3 in my opinion were above and beyond better than each other.
sbulldavid
2/25/10 9:22:22PM
I think Rashad has been the best, he's been competitive against good competition and he's still a contender.
ocho-cinco
2/25/10 9:36:20PM
Well Rashad proved he's better then Forrest when he beat him.... So it's between him and Serra. Yes Serra beat GSP but then he was brutally beaten in a one sided re-match. After that all he's done is lose a close decision to a past his prime Matt Hughes, and KO a waaaay past his prime Frank Trigg. I have a very hard time seeing Serra ever getting another title shot, much less holding the belt. Where as I Think Rashad is going to be top 5-10 LHW for a while, and will probably earn at the very least another crack at the title at some point. Serra has a less then impressive record of 10-6. Rashads record is a sterling 14-1-1. And you can't play the quality of opponents card here for Serra, Rashad has faced quality opponents in almost all his 11 UFC fights, not to mention he fights much more frequently. Serra has also fought a good number of quality opponents but his only win over a truly elite guy was GSP. So for me he hasn't proved he is more then a flash in the pan. He is a quality welterweight, but not much more then that. Rashard is an elite fighter in an equally tough division. For me it's not even close who is the better Champion from TUF, it's Rashad, and it's not really that close.
EvenFlow
2/25/10 10:42:20PM

posted by ocho-cinco

Well Rashad proved he's better then Forrest when he beat him



What fight did you watch bud, Forrest absolutely had his way with Rashad until Rashad caught the leg kick and knocked him out. Does a man who grabs his crotch and blows a kiss in the middle of the fight think he's winning the fight? probably not huh.
Aiden08
2/25/10 10:56:41PM

Posted by EvenFlow


posted by ocho-cinco

Well Rashad proved he's better then Forrest when he beat him



What fight did you watch bud, Forrest absolutely had his way with Rashad until Rashad caught the leg kick and knocked him out. Does a man who grabs his crotch and blows a kiss in the middle of the fight think he's winning the fight? probably not huh.



holy crap i couldn't agree with you more. you took the words right out of my fingers...lol. seriously tho. rashad evans is easier to knock out then "Glass Joe"

the way Matt Serra won the title was such an awesome Cinderella story tho you know. After a so-so UFC career prior to TUF nad then beating the best in the world after winning a show based on has-beens. I thought it really was a modern day ROCKY
tcunningham
2/25/10 11:12:34PM
i was never impressed with serra. hes just not that good. its really hard to answer a question like that when none of them are really not that great of fighters. forest likes a good brawl but lacks the KO power and devastating sub and GnP, rashad is cocky when he fights and thats why hes not a real champ, and serra was a fluke. im not trash talking i just think that a champ should be humble, be a devastating fighter in everyaspect, and everyone should know when hes the champ he really is the best fighter in that division.
tdietel01
2/26/10 12:06:49AM
gotta say rashad. its not whos the most likable but who was the best. def. gotta go with rashad since he beat forrest
Aiden08
2/26/10 12:53:03AM

Posted by tdietel01

gotta say rashad. its not whos the most likable but who was the best. def. gotta go with rashad since he beat forrest



you hava to go with rashad becauese he beat forrest...? not serra because he beat gsp? doesn't make sense to me
kaskd
2/26/10 2:12:07AM
Are we going by accomplishments or skill/ability to compete?

Serra beat a prime GSP. Lucky shot whatever he beat a prime GSP. and then puttered off to lose a lopsided rematch, a decision to an old man and then beat up an old man.

Griffin beat an out of shape killer, and robbed a decision (yeah let's open that can of worms).

Who has Rashad Evans beat that's 'great'? Yeah Chuck, but again it's not the prime chuck, it's the left over chuck.

So if we're going by accomplishments I have to say Serra. But if we're going by who is actually the best, I would pick Rashad. He has the best skill set to keep him competitive in his weight class and continue to pile up wins against top level competition. Griffin and Serra are hard pressed to find big names that they will beat.

ocho-cinco
2/26/10 2:19:55AM

Posted by EvenFlow


posted by ocho-cinco

Well Rashad proved he's better then Forrest when he beat him



What fight did you watch bud, Forrest absolutely had his way with Rashad until Rashad caught the leg kick and knocked him out. Does a man who grabs his crotch and blows a kiss in the middle of the fight think he's winning the fight? probably not huh.



So, by your logic Forrest is a better fighter because he was winning up until he got KO'd? The fact is Rashad won the fight, with a stoppage.... what elce does he need to do to prove he's a better fighter then Forrest? Rashad has a better record 14-1-1, 9-1-1 in the UFC, to Forests 17-6, 7-4 UFC. I like Forrest, I'm always excited to watch his fight, he's a high quality LHW, but I don't see how he can be considered better then Rashad at this point. What am I missing?
tdietel01
2/26/10 1:11:31PM

Posted by Aiden08


Posted by tdietel01

gotta say rashad. its not whos the most likable but who was the best. def. gotta go with rashad since he beat forrest



you hava to go with rashad becauese he beat forrest...? not serra because he beat gsp? doesn't make sense to me



rashad has only lost one UFC fight. he beat forrest and i think would beat him again. ya serra beat GSP but has lost a couple since then including the rematch with GSP. Also rashad has better all around skills i think than either other fighter,
Pookie
2/26/10 1:53:37PM
I dont think beating someone makes you a better fighter than them. As they also probably beat someone that you would have no chance at beating, due to the variance present in stylistic match-ups. In this case of Forrest, you can bring up Rampage.

If the question is who is the best champion, i find the most accurate way of answering that is to assess how each fighter would do against All possible contenders within the division and to assess who would be the most successful.

And from my perspective, the only fighters id pick rashad to beat, are the same fighters i would easily pick Forrest to beat as well. Couture & Franklin.
Aiden08
2/26/10 4:34:10PM

Posted by Pookie

I dont think beating someone makes you a better fighter than them. As they also probably beat someone that you would have no chance at beating, due to the variance present in stylistic match-ups. In this case of Forrest, you can bring up Rampage.

If the question is who is the best champion, i find the most accurate way of answering that is to assess how each fighter would do against All possible contenders within the division and to assess who would be the most successful.

And from my perspective, the only fighters id pick rashad to beat, are the same fighters i would easily pick Forrest to beat as well. Couture & Franklin.






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Boo_Radley21
2/26/10 4:50:01PM
I gotta say Forrest. Serra won the Ultimate Fighter and got his shot right away, and even though he beat GSP, I don't think he earned it as much as Griffin. And Rashad has not faced the same type of competition IMO as Griffin has. Forrest has fought the toughest competition out of all the 3 champs, and even though Evans beat Forrest, it had a lot to do with just getting caught.

Forrest Griffin had to win the very first show and fought is way up to the top, he subbed Rua, and then beat Rampage in one of the best UFC fights I have ever watched. Evans got a few knockouts in fights he was losing, if you think about it Liddell and Griffin both have questionable chins, and were beating Evans until he got the KO. Since none of them have a defense, I'm basing my decision on the title fight and how they got there.

Griffin had the best fight. I'd say going toe to toe with Rampage for 5 rounds and recovering from multiple power shots and knockdowns, and still being able to fight competetivley and win a close decision (which I think was the right one) against one of the best of all time is more impressive than two out of nowhere semi-lucky KOs. I hate to call them lucky but if either of those KO's didnt happen when they did I think the fights would not have resulted in wins for either Serra or Evans..if that makes sense haha
jiujitsufreak74
2/27/10 2:37:34PM

Posted by EvenFlow


posted by ocho-cinco

Well Rashad proved he's better then Forrest when he beat him



until Rashad caught the leg kick and knocked him out.



that would imply that Forrest still lost so i really don't think that is a good argument.
mkiv9secsupra
2/27/10 7:05:38PM
forrest....he whipped rashads a$$ until he got injured, the end. Rashad couldnt KO forrest "glass chin" griffin?!?! rashad isnt worthy of a #1 TUF winner spot
JustizzleFoShizzle
3/1/10 9:41:27AM
I think you'd have to say Serra because like you said he beat the biggest name, but unfortunately, I'm not really sure any of them will be considered great champions years from now because none of them defended the belt after they won it. The only one who will be remembered would be Serra because it was most likely the biggest upset in the history of MMA...oh wait, that was Seth Petruzelli knocking out Kimbo Slice right lol
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