Anderson Criticizes Wanderlei’s Move to 185

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ncordless
4/10/09 9:07:07AM
They have the same surname, grew up in the same Brazilian city and trained together for years at Chute Boxe. But things have changed, and destiny has put Wanderlei Silva and Anderson Silva on different sides.

“I always helped Wanderlei in training,” Anderson explained in a November 2007 interview with Tatame magazine. “We were really close.”

Anderson eventually left Chute Boxe, though, and in the Tatame interview he said that the team’s coach, Rudimar Fedrigo, forbid him from fighting in Pride, where Wanderlei was a champion.

“Wanderlei didn’t say anything to help me,” Anderson said. “He even knew that I had four children to raise. If it were not for ‘Minotauro’ putting pressure and bringing me to Pride, I would certainly be retired.”

At UFC 79 in December 2007, however, Anderson couldn’t hide his support for Wanderlei against Chuck Liddell. After the fight, he visited Wanderlei’s locker room with Lyoto Machida to congratulate him on a gutsy performance.
I’m free now, whenever you want to train,” said Wanderlei, who had also left Chute Boxe by then and was happy to have the support of Anderson and Machida.

But now the relationship has soured again. Fifteen months after they shook hands in the locker room, Anderson learned that Wanderlei is on his way to the UFC middleweight division, where Anderson is king.
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Edwards
4/10/09 9:28:23AM
I dont think Anderson should be jumping the gun because if theres any fighter with respect its Wanderlei who in the past has stated he does not fight friends.Example being him and shogun.I personally would love to see the fight.
prozacnation1978
4/10/09 9:48:23AM
wandy needs to win some fights first in order to get a title shot i would have to say 3 in a row
Twenty20Dollars
4/10/09 9:54:52AM
Well Anderson is in talks on retiring and it would be a bit before Silva could get a MW title shot.

Also there was a quote on Mania the other day saying that Anderson would like to go back to 205 and fight there again.
Pyrenus
4/10/09 9:55:04AM

Posted by Proz

wandy needs to win some fights first in order to get a title shot i would have to say 3 in a row



To be a legitimate contender for the belt, I agree, but that doesn't mean its what the UFC is going to do. Wandy vs A.Silva would draw huge numbers. And given how A.Silva has cleaned out the division, any fresh blood would immediately get thrown to the top of the heap.

Silva vs Silva would sell a lot more PPVs than Silva vs Marquardt 2
Jackelope
4/10/09 10:38:50AM
So let me get this straight

---Anderson wanted to compete in PRIDE where Wanderlei was the champ at middleweight, but the Chute Boxe camp wouldn't let him.

---When Anderson and Wanderlei were both competing in the UFC, but at separate weight classes, they were friends again.

---Wanderlei wants to compete in the UFC where Anderson is the champ at middleweight, Anderson is mad at Wanderlei. The only difference being that a camp isn't telling either fighter they can't do it.

Tell me that it's not almost the exact same situation only reversed. Anderson is "mad" that Wanderlei wants to do the same thing he wanted to do years back? Sounds like a hater to me. Either that, or just sour grapes. Nearly the same thing in my opinion.

I think Anderson would handily beat Wanderlei, but this is just stupid in my opinion. Sure, Wanderlei could have stood up for Anderson against the Chute Boxe camp. But, how does he know for sure that he didn't? Even if he didn't stand up, how many guys out there at a camp like Chute Boxe was in those days would question their leader? Think of it like soldiers in an Army. It's not good to have Sergeants questioning Generals. I understand the struggles with finances and trying to raise a family, but it sounds to me like Anderson needs to take these things into context.

Besides, when Anderson did make it to PRIDE it's not like he fought well enough to get a shot at Wanderlei anyway.
breakdown5
4/10/09 10:46:27AM

Posted by Jackelope

So let me get this straight

---Anderson wanted to compete in PRIDE where Wanderlei was the champ at middleweight, but the Chute Boxe camp wouldn't let him.

---When Anderson and Wanderlei were both competing in the UFC, but at separate weight classes, they were friends again.

---Wanderlei wants to compete in the UFC where Anderson is the champ at middleweight, Anderson is mad at Wanderlei. The only difference being that a camp isn't telling either fighter they can't do it.

Tell me that it's not almost the exact same situation only reversed. Anderson is "mad" that Wanderlei wants to do the same thing he wanted to do years back? Sounds like a hater to me. Either that, or just sour grapes. Nearly the same thing in my opinion.

I think Anderson would handily beat Wanderlei, but this is just stupid in my opinion. Sure, Wanderlei could have stood up for Anderson against the Chute Boxe camp. But, how does he know for sure that he didn't? Even if he didn't stand up, how many guys out there at a camp like Chute Boxe was in those days would question their leader? Think of it like soldiers in an Army. It's not good to have Sergeants questioning Generals. I understand the struggles with finances and trying to raise a family, but it sounds to me like Anderson needs to take these things into context.

Besides, when Anderson did make it to PRIDE it's not like he fought well enough to get a shot at Wanderlei anyway.



EDIT: Never mind, I misread your post...
Jackelope
4/10/09 11:05:40AM
Right, and Big Nog should be applauded for his efforts, but I don't see how Wanderlei is at fault here. I'm sure he had some sway in the Chute Boxe camp, but was he spearheading the campaign to keep Anderson out? If he was, then by all means it's justified, but if he wasn't I can't really see how he's at fault. I'm sure there were bigger dogs doing all the barking.

In any case I recognize Anderson's plight, but that was the past. This is now. Why criticize someone's moves when what happened in the past is water under the bridge?

roadking95th
4/10/09 11:16:28AM
Anyone know the five opponents that Silva thinks are ready for a title shot? We all have our thoughts, but does anyone know who he said?
CiaoBaby
4/10/09 3:44:10PM
He didn't specify. I'm thinking Leites, Okami, Maia, Marquardt, maybe Kang, Santiago, a Cote rematch, Mousasi...A win over Hendo could make Bispbing a contender in his eyes. Who knows what the guy is thinking? Honestly I can't see anyone beating him right now...
supatolacyl
4/10/09 3:44:48PM
I am as much a fan of Anderson's as anyone, but writing off Maia would be a big mistake. Maia's striking is no where near Anderson's, but his bjj is as good as anyones.
Red-Dragon
4/10/09 6:37:47PM

Posted by breakdown5


Posted by Jackelope

So let me get this straight

---Anderson wanted to compete in PRIDE where Wanderlei was the champ at middleweight, but the Chute Boxe camp wouldn't let him.

---When Anderson and Wanderlei were both competing in the UFC, but at separate weight classes, they were friends again.

---Wanderlei wants to compete in the UFC where Anderson is the champ at middleweight, Anderson is mad at Wanderlei. The only difference being that a camp isn't telling either fighter they can't do it.

Tell me that it's not almost the exact same situation only reversed. Anderson is "mad" that Wanderlei wants to do the same thing he wanted to do years back? Sounds like a hater to me. Either that, or just sour grapes. Nearly the same thing in my opinion.

I think Anderson would handily beat Wanderlei, but this is just stupid in my opinion. Sure, Wanderlei could have stood up for Anderson against the Chute Boxe camp. But, how does he know for sure that he didn't? Even if he didn't stand up, how many guys out there at a camp like Chute Boxe was in those days would question their leader? Think of it like soldiers in an Army. It's not good to have Sergeants questioning Generals. I understand the struggles with finances and trying to raise a family, but it sounds to me like Anderson needs to take these things into context.

Besides, when Anderson did make it to PRIDE it's not like he fought well enough to get a shot at Wanderlei anyway.



EDIT: Never mind, I misread your post...



I am starting to see Anderson believing his own hype (which could be understood) but all this talk of retirement etc says to me that he is saying "no one is worthy, I might as well quit" His lack of fights lately and the disinterest he seemed to show against Cote says 2 things to me. 1) He now believes his own legend. 2) He wants to keep fights to a minimum to reserve that legend.
Now don't get me wrong, in my eyes he is the man right now but he knows as we all do that it only takes one punch. I am starting to hope, that one punch happens soon so that we can all get off his nuts and move on.
Zekeil
4/10/09 7:36:30PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Well Anderson is in talks on retiring and it would be a bit before Silva could get a MW title shot.

Also there was a quote on Mania the other day saying that Anderson would like to go back to 205 and fight there again.



205 is where Anderson needs to be, there isn't any competition in the MW division for him.
If you ask me Thales is just another wasted fight (like the Cote fight) before A.S. retires.
Anderson shouldn't be fighting anyone except for superfights.
Pookie
4/10/09 7:47:08PM
after this hell have 5 fights i believe, if at least 2 of them arent at 205 then its really just a waste of his potential.
Pookie
4/10/09 7:51:54PM

Posted by Red-Dragon


I am starting to see Anderson believing his own hype (which could be understood) but all this talk of retirement etc says to me that he is saying "no one is worthy, I might as well quit" His lack of fights lately and the disinterest he seemed to show against Cote says 2 things to me. 1) He now believes his own legend. 2) He wants to keep fights to a minimum to reserve that legend.
Now don't get me wrong, in my eyes he is the man right now but he knows as we all do that it only takes one punch. I am starting to hope, that one punch happens soon so that we can all get off his nuts and move on.




And you inferred all that from

“Saying that you will beat me up or submit me is very easy, but there have been people trying to do that for some time and are not reaching their goal, Demian.”
and his thoughts of retirement?

Im sorry but thats ridiculous
IriShame
4/11/09 12:28:29AM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by Red-Dragon


I am starting to see Anderson believing his own hype (which could be understood) but all this talk of retirement etc says to me that he is saying "no one is worthy, I might as well quit" His lack of fights lately and the disinterest he seemed to show against Cote says 2 things to me. 1) He now believes his own legend. 2) He wants to keep fights to a minimum to reserve that legend.
Now don't get me wrong, in my eyes he is the man right now but he knows as we all do that it only takes one punch. I am starting to hope, that one punch happens soon so that we can all get off his nuts and move on.




And you inferred all that from

“Saying that you will beat me up or submit me is very easy, but there have been people trying to do that for some time and are not reaching their goal, Demian.”
and his thoughts of retirement?

Im sorry but thats ridiculous



Agreed, he's not going anywhere.
bls1919
4/11/09 12:48:20AM
IMO he doesnt want to fight Wandy, because of their past. That doesnt mean he wouldn't make him suck dust from the floor of the octagon. Wandy wouldnt get near Ando. As for Maia he is a one trick pony. Granted it is one hell of a pony, but he wouldnt get close enought to Andcerson to get him down, and foget about it if Silva catches him in the clinch. Anderson is the best in the world P4P....... and can say what he wants when he wants.
Red-Dragon
4/11/09 4:38:24AM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by Red-Dragon


I am starting to see Anderson believing his own hype (which could be understood) but all this talk of retirement etc says to me that he is saying "no one is worthy, I might as well quit" His lack of fights lately and the disinterest he seemed to show against Cote says 2 things to me. 1) He now believes his own legend. 2) He wants to keep fights to a minimum to reserve that legend.
Now don't get me wrong, in my eyes he is the man right now but he knows as we all do that it only takes one punch. I am starting to hope, that one punch happens soon so that we can all get off his nuts and move on.




And you inferred all that from

“Saying that you will beat me up or submit me is very easy, but there have been people trying to do that for some time and are not reaching their goal, Demian.”
and his thoughts of retirement?

Im sorry but thats ridiculous



I didn't infer all that all that from just that one sentence you chose to quote. I inferred all that from the past few months of quotes, fights, interviews and news.

Not sure why you made that assumption?? Fair enough you disagree though.
EvenFlow
4/11/09 4:48:35AM

Posted by Red-Dragon

I am starting to hope, that one punch happens soon so that we can all get off his nuts and move on.



Better it be Anderson fans than Bisbing nuthuggers.
ncordless
4/11/09 11:20:44AM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by Red-Dragon


I am starting to see Anderson believing his own hype (which could be understood) but all this talk of retirement etc says to me that he is saying "no one is worthy, I might as well quit" His lack of fights lately and the disinterest he seemed to show against Cote says 2 things to me. 1) He now believes his own legend. 2) He wants to keep fights to a minimum to reserve that legend.
Now don't get me wrong, in my eyes he is the man right now but he knows as we all do that it only takes one punch. I am starting to hope, that one punch happens soon so that we can all get off his nuts and move on.




And you inferred all that from

“Saying that you will beat me up or submit me is very easy, but there have been people trying to do that for some time and are not reaching their goal, Demian.”
and his thoughts of retirement?

Im sorry but thats ridiculous



I can infer some of it from studying his fight with Cote. Anderson is one of my favs but in that fight he looked like he was either doing a bad impression of Genki Sudo or had been working on his feinting with Marvin Eastman. Anderson has always been really fun to watch, but in that fight he was getting a little "cute". It is pretty obvious that Anderson believes he is the best in the world (and he may well be). For some people that kind of attitude helps or at least does not effect their performance (think Kobe or MJ). Other people either fold under the pressure of the expectations of being dominant all the time and thrilling the crowd or fail to appreciate the danger of opponents and get suprised.

I think one interesting thing about watching Anderson at this point is seeing how he deals with the expectations. We shall see.
Red-Dragon
4/11/09 11:26:51AM

Posted by ncordless


Posted by Pookie


Posted by Red-Dragon


I am starting to see Anderson believing his own hype (which could be understood) but all this talk of retirement etc says to me that he is saying "no one is worthy, I might as well quit" His lack of fights lately and the disinterest he seemed to show against Cote says 2 things to me. 1) He now believes his own legend. 2) He wants to keep fights to a minimum to reserve that legend.
Now don't get me wrong, in my eyes he is the man right now but he knows as we all do that it only takes one punch. I am starting to hope, that one punch happens soon so that we can all get off his nuts and move on.




And you inferred all that from

“Saying that you will beat me up or submit me is very easy, but there have been people trying to do that for some time and are not reaching their goal, Demian.”
and his thoughts of retirement?

Im sorry but thats ridiculous



I can infer some of it from studying his fight with Cote. Anderson is one of my favs but in that fight he looked like he was either doing a bad impression of Genki Sudo or had been working on his feinting with Marvin Eastman. Anderson has always been really fun to watch, but in that fight he was getting a little "cute". It is pretty obvious that Anderson believes he is the best in the world (and he may well be). For some people that kind of attitude helps or at least does not effect their performance (think Kobe or MJ). Other people either fold under the pressure of the expectations of being dominant all the time and thrilling the crowd or fail to appreciate the danger of opponents and get suprised.

I think one interesting thing about watching Anderson at this point is seeing how he deals with the expectations. We shall see.



Thank you
Pskinner_mma314
4/11/09 2:19:38PM
OR...................

heres another take on it. being a fighter myself, i had the situation once where i had to fight a friend............i did, and won.......barely.

it sucks, but they are fighters for a ****** living, its what they do, you can put a friendship aside for at most 25 minutes.

honestly if i had to get beat, i would rather one of my friends beat me than someone i don't even know.
loonytnt
4/11/09 9:18:39PM
this would be a good fight, dana would make a lot of money
papercut
4/13/09 9:48:41AM
I'd say anderson is walking on thin ice... Wandy isn't someone you'd want to talk trash about, even if you are on of the top P4P fighters. If this keeps up and anderson stays this cocky I'd say he's in for a very rude awakening by some of the most vicious knees in the sport.
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