what american do u think has the best bjj?

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mikek32293
6/29/08 6:52:38PM
i would say frank mir
Ben_Hutch
6/29/08 7:01:12PM
Eddie Bravo, I say this because not only does he have sick BJJ, but he has great ideas for the sport, and has has taken the sport a long way. Not only can he inspire brazilian jiu-jitsu practicioners but he can portray his ideas so well, he is a great teacher and many aspiring bjj artists look up to him.
xposipx
6/29/08 7:15:47PM
Dean Lister has to be in this conversation.
hotrodttt
6/29/08 7:16:49PM
Robert Drysdale hands down, he beat the Best Grappler of our time in Marcelo Garcia
xposipx
6/29/08 7:20:59PM

Posted by hotrodttt

Robert Drysdale hands down, he beat the Best Grappler of our time in Marcelo Garcia



Thought he was from Portugal....?

Edie: You're right. He was born in the US and moved to S.A. when he was 6. Oh well, he is easily the best American then. Dean Lister is an easy 2nd IMO.
Omega
6/29/08 7:50:43PM
Hellooooooo. BJ Penn Anybody. Then there's Bill Cooper and Jeff Glover, Nick Diaz and remember some of the Gracies have been born in this country.
hotrodttt
6/29/08 7:53:20PM

Posted by xposipx


Posted by hotrodttt

Robert Drysdale hands down, he beat the Best Grappler of our time in Marcelo Garcia



Thought he was from Portugal....?

Edie: You're right. He was born in the US and moved to S.A. when he was 6. Oh well, he is easily the best American then. Dean Lister is an easy 2nd IMO.



And he's also the head Jui Jitsu Coach at Extreme Couture
Omega
6/29/08 8:07:24PM

Posted by xposipx


Posted by hotrodttt

Robert Drysdale hands down, he beat the Best Grappler of our time in Marcelo Garcia



Thought he was from Portugal....?

Edie: You're right. He was born in the US and moved to S.A. when he was 6. Oh well, he is easily the best American then. Dean Lister is an easy 2nd IMO.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbyF02ZoQyg
holt8081
6/29/08 9:52:37PM
I am personally offendend that BJ PENN was not in the first two posts on this thread and for that I put a curse on this thread.
Omega
6/29/08 11:01:35PM
Hey...I said BJ penn....!!!!
holt8081
6/29/08 11:29:01PM

Posted by Omega

Hey...I said BJ penn....!!!!

Ya and I thank you but I was speaking of the first two posts on here. You posted 6th.
Twenty20Dollars
6/30/08 12:20:18AM
i think BJ penn prolly has the best mma bjj transition.
Naturaldisaster
6/30/08 1:59:03AM
BJ PENN!
Pookie
6/30/08 2:06:55AM
in mma bj hands down.
Gipper
6/30/08 1:16:26PM
very easy answer......bj penn.
fedorwins1
6/30/08 4:57:34PM
Dean Lister, BJ Penn

The most underlooked American BJJ practicioner is Dave Terrell IMO.
tepid55
6/30/08 4:57:39PM
Frank Mir BJJ is awesome.
RandyCouture
6/30/08 6:09:22PM
So many penn nuthuggers you cant get into a post without seeing penns name somewhere and people saying something about how godly the guy is lol im gona get a ton of crap for this but it needed to be said.

Frank Mir IMO
bigbubbano23
7/1/08 1:48:51AM
no way it's frank mir, and i wouldn't say bj anymore. idk it's a good question but i know it's def not a ufc fighter
Omega
7/1/08 12:48:42PM

Posted by bigbubbano23

no way it's frank mir, and i wouldn't say bj anymore. idk it's a good question but i know it's def not a ufc fighter



You'll have to enlighten me on this. What exactly do you mean BJ anymore? If you saying it's because he couldn't handle it on the competitive grappling circuit I would argue how long would it take for him to change his game if he decided to actually do competitive grappling. I say BJ because of his ability to adapt but if you have a better choice let me know.
jiujitsufreak74
7/1/08 1:03:14PM

Posted by hotrodttt

Robert Drysdale hands down, he beat the Best Grappler of our time in Marcelo Garcia



WINNER

Drysdale is better than BJ at BJJ, and i don't think it is even that close. Drysdale has accomplished more than BJ in BJJ and grappling and his skill shouldn't be in doubt. look at what he has accomplished at the black belt level:

2007 (Black Belt)

* 1st place in the Abu-Dhabi Submission Wrestling World Championships - Open Division (ADCC)
* 3rd place in the Abu-Dhabi Submission Wrestling World Championships - -99kg Division (ADCC)
* 2nd place in the BJJ World Championships (IBJJF/CBJJ)
* 3rd place in the BJJ World Championships - Open Division (IBJJF/CBJJ)

2006 (Black Belt)

* 1st place in the BJJ Black Belt World Championship (CBJJO)
* 2nd place in the BJJ World Championships (IBJJF/CBJJ)
* 3x times Brazilian National equips Champion (IBJJF/CBJJ)

2005 (Black Belt)

* 3x times BJJ World Champion (IBJJF/CBJJ)
* 1st place Black Belt World Championships (CBJJO)
* 1st place in local Toughman Contest

2004 (Brown/Black Belt)

* 2x National Brazilian National Champion (IBJJF/CBJJ)
* 1st place in the Brazilian National Championship open division (IBJJF/CBJJ)
* 3rd place World Championship (IBJJf/CBJJ)
* 1st place in the Scandinavian open
* 1st place in the Scandinavian open absolute division

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Now BJ was the first American to win a gold medal at the Mundials, but that was back in 2000 and his BJJ accolades don't even come close to Drysdale's. i realize that BJ has been focusing on MMA since 2000 so he hasn't had the opportunity bit that is just another reason why Drysdale is better at BJJ than BJ.
fedorwins1
7/1/08 1:32:33PM
Honorable mention goes to Jeff Monson.
ncordless
7/1/08 4:02:12PM
USA Wrestling Grappling Rankings
Date Ranked:05/28/2008
Ranked By USA Wrestling


Men’s Grappling

136.5
1. Darren Uyenoyama (Fogtown Jiu Jitsu)
2. Matt Sanchez (Ultimate Fitness)
3. Shaine Jamie (unattached)
4. Mike Cusi (Roy Harris Academy)
5. Brian Peterson (JJ Machado)
6. Jimmy Kirkemo (Team Titan)
7. Chris Holdsworth (Cobra Kai)
8. Ulysseys Gomez (Cobra Kai)
9. Alejandro Zeas (Team Yamasaki)
10. Johnny Ramirez (New Breed Jiu Jitsu)

154
1. Ricky Lundell (Pedro Sauer Team)
2. Jeff Glover (Paragon Jiu-Jitsu)
3. Alberto Crane (No Limits)
4. David Edwards (NYMAG)
5. Scott Bieri (Cobra Kai)
6. Shannon Slack (No Limits)
7. Cub Swanson (Combat Submission Wrestling)
8. Denny Prokopos (10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu)
9. Shane Roller (Team Takedown)
10. Jacob Hey (H.I.T. Squad)

176
1. Don Ortega (No Limits)
2. Bill Cooper (Paragon Jiu Jitsu)
3. Mike Kelly (Gilbert Grappling)
4. Cory Devela (Victory Athletics)
5. Dennis Hallman (Victory Athletics)
6. Sean Spangler (Cobra Kai)
7. Rylan Lizares (Pedro Sauer Team)
8. Johny Hendricks (Team Takedown)
9. Joseph Gutierrez (Showtime BJJ)
10. tie; Keith Wilson (Colorado Fight Factory)
James Clay (Cebell)

202.5
1. Malcolm Havens (Grappler’s Edge)
2. Matt Horwich (Team Quest)
3. Cameron Diffley (Las Vegas Combat Club)
4. Ryan Gillespie (The Boxing Club)
5. Rick MacCauley (Balance Studios)
6. Timothy Bond (Street Sport BJJ)
7. Chaun Sims (Easton BJJ)
8. Jake Rosholt (Team Takedown)
9. Rafael Lovato Jr. (Team Lovato)
10. Dan Clark (MMA Institute)

275
1. Jeff Monson (Victory Athletics)
2. Bryan Vetell (Team Renzo Gracie)
3. Bruce Hoyer (Action MMA)
4. Aaron Hayes (Team Quest)
5. Ramon Diaz (No Limits)
6. Brandon Ruiz (Grappler’s Edge)
7. Bobak Ranjbaran (Demon Jiu Jitsu)
8. Ray “Kong” Seralle (Undisputed)
9. James Horne (Cobra Kai)
10. Lloyd Marshbanks (Team Kadillac)

Women’s Grappling

105.5
1. Lisa Ward (United Fight Team)
2, Hillary Witt (Saulo Ribeiro BJJ)
3. Van Mines (unattached)
4. Amanda Milner (unattached)
5. Van Do (unattached)

121
1. Felicia Oh (JJ Machado)
2. Bahar Shahidi (Grappler’s Edge)
3. Christina Rodriguez (Gracie Tampa)
4. Carla O’Connell (No Limits)
5. Bethany Marshall (Modern American MMA)

138
1. Tara Larosa (unattached)
2. Ginele Marquez-Lee (Combat Submission Wrestling)
3. Shayna Baszler (Action MMA)
4. Crystina Coats (The Boxing Club)
5. Tori Adams (Sunkist Kids)

158.5
1. Valerie Worthington (New Breed Jiu-Jitsu)
2. Elaina Maxwell (unattached)
3. Milda Shibonis (Pedro Sauer Team)
4. Shannon Hooper (No Limits)
5. Erin Toughill (unattached)

This isn't pure BJJ, but I thought it was kind of interesting.
xposipx
7/1/08 4:39:21PM
Yeah BJ may be in the top 5 if he's lucky. Definitely not even close to #1 or 2. The question is about bjj, not mma.
Omega
7/1/08 5:03:45PM
Truthfully speaking guys I'll bow down to your knowledge of BJJ. My grappling is geared toward MMA. Most BJJ rules drive me crazy. Too much politics too much ego and poor sportsmanship. I'm a bigger fan of free grappling, much higher pace and exciting but that's like comparing football and rugby. Lots of similar action but still a different sport.
warglory
11/15/08 6:14:20PM
Outside of MMA pratitioners, it's hard to say since I am not very familiar with BJJ as an individual sport.
Jackelope
11/15/08 7:58:22PM
Yeah, I think there has to be a clear distinction between MMA and regular BJJ or maybe even for submission wrestling.

For BJJ it's got to be Drysdale. I don't see how people can argue that. If he continues with MMA it may very soon be him in MMA, as well.

For MMA it's debatable. It also depends on how you judge jiu jitsu. If you look at basic BJJ used for control and occasionally some submissions then BJ Penn is a pretty easy answer. I do agree, however, that Dean Lister needs to be ranked very close to the top, and if his MMA accolades were as great as BJ's then he would easily take the top spot... IMO, of course.


Wolfenstein
11/15/08 8:18:45PM
Eddie Bravo is the most innovative BJJ instructor, and Robert Drysdale is the best US BJJ practitioner.
Jackelope
11/15/08 8:25:53PM

Posted by Wolfenstein

Eddie Bravo is the most innovative BJJ instructor, and Robert Drysdale is the best US BJJ practitioner.



About that (and I know I'll catch hell for it)- I think he gets far too much credit for the rubber guard. It hasn't proven to be any more effective than traditional forms of BJJ. Granted it's got some cool stuff involved with it, and certainly Bravo has come up with innovative ideas, but I don't think his name deserves mention on a modern best BJJ practicioners list.

If you want my dead honest opinion, too- I don't think he's a very good trainer considering he hasn't been able to push any of his guys up to the highest level. His time clock is wearing thin when it comes to arguments that say "Give it a few years for a master of rubber guard to join the sport" He's been in it for quite a while now and if you ask me there's other trainers who have done far better things within the given time frame.

I think the dude smokes far too much pot and parties far too much

copcopps
11/16/08 12:27:57AM
Dean Lister, BJ Penn and Jeff Monson
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