Alistair Overeem Explains Why He Failed Pre-UFC 146 Drug Test

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warglory
4/23/12 9:36:59AM
Alistair Overeem has broken his silence for the first time since the Nevada State Athletic Commission announced earlier this month that he failed a pre-UFC 146 drug test.

http://www.mmafighting.com/ufc/2012/4/23/2968534/alistair-overeem-explains-why-he-failed-pre-ufc-146-drug-test
State_Champ
4/23/12 9:57:35AM
Wish he would specify the anti-inflammatory which caused such high T levels.

I would think that sharing as much information as possible about the situation would help to prove the truth of his statement.

Also, it might be nice for other athletes to know that they ought to be wary of this mystery medication.

KingCmb
4/23/12 10:59:43AM
tired of fighters saying they had no clue whats in there supplements or medicine or w.e thats your job do it
grappler0000
4/23/12 11:13:00AM
Must be a pretty bad doctor not to discuss the benefits/side effects of steroidal vs non steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs prior to prescribing them.
mattjonesy
4/23/12 11:28:08AM
What a terrible excuse. Thought he would have come up with better
prophecy033
4/23/12 11:29:18AM

Posted by grappler0000

Must be a pretty bad doctor not to discuss the benefits/side effects of steroidal vs non steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs prior to prescribing them.

What kind of Doctor gives a know athlete a steroidal anti-inflammatory?
Pskinner_mma314
4/23/12 11:29:33AM

Posted by grappler0000

Must be a pretty bad doctor not to discuss the benefits/side effects of steroidal vs non steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs prior to prescribing them.



This.....

It's known as informed consent. Every time a Doctor/Physician conducts a procedure or prescribes medication, they are supposed to go over the advantages and disadvantages of having it, as well as the advantages and disadvantages of not having it.

It's law here in the states, idk about anywhere else.
scoozna
4/23/12 11:43:44AM
Smells fishy.
TeamDEY
4/23/12 11:45:36AM
For an old rib injury? hahaha. Im sure when they stuck that needle in his ass he didn't know what was in it either.
sparky
4/23/12 11:49:05AM
LoL the man wasnt busted for Roids I think everyone needs to actually pay attention to the situation instead of bashing a fighter for something he hasnt done.

The R33M haters get funnier and funnier everytime a new topic is added about him

" I aggravated an old rib injury on my left side. My doctor prescribed, and I accepted, an anti-inflammatory medication that was mixed with testosterone" NOT STEROIDS

Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs interact with testosterone glucuronidation
mrsmiley
4/23/12 12:19:48PM
How many anti-inflammatory steroids are actually anabolic?
From what I've herd most actually hurt muscle growth rather than promote it.
Manak
4/23/12 12:44:37PM
I have heard these excuses before in every sport so i am not taking much out of this. i really wanna see how the appeal process goes as am a big reem fan so hopefully he clears this up


"Prior to the UFC 146 press conference in March, I aggravated an old rib injury on my left side. My doctor prescribed, and I accepted, an anti-inflammatory medication that was mixed with testosterone. I was completely unaware that testosterone was one of the ingredients in the medication. Although I was unaware, I do realize it is my job to know what I am putting into my body."

at least he man'ed up somewhat saying he should have known what he was putting into his body. just sux if this is the truth cause overeem should know better being a top flight athlete and know everything going into his body in this era of sports

but on a side note, how many ppl have gone to the docs and be prescribed something and knew to the tee what it was??? i guessing no one, ppl trust doctors enough that they don't questions them when told a way to fix their problem. it is logic though, why question the guy who is trying to fix and has been trained years to do so. but like grappler0000 & Pskinner_mma314 said why didn't the doc tell him this could give you high T

DancingDoll
4/23/12 12:49:53PM
He should have taken an NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) instead of corticosteroids... He may not know what was in it, but when you see the word "steroid" in your prescription - heads-up! lol

The doctor should have known all this. I mean I'm assuming he's not going to a walk-in clinic for something like this. But who knows - maybe they didn't know he was a pro-fighter or thought to ask - I mean who would have guessed just by looking at him, right?
postman
4/23/12 12:50:56PM

Posted by Pskinner_mma314


Posted by grappler0000

Must be a pretty bad doctor not to discuss the benefits/side effects of steroidal vs non steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs prior to prescribing them.



This.....

It's known as informed consent. Every time a Doctor/Physician conducts a procedure or prescribes medication, they are supposed to go over the advantages and disadvantages of having it, as well as the advantages and disadvantages of not having it.

It's law here in the states, idk about anywhere else.



I pretty much have never in my memory have had a doctor give me the run down of what a drug will do to myself or my son. When it comes to my kid I always ask myself on the other hand I usually just take whatever they give me.

I have been a corner in both Pro and Amature MMA fights I have fought in Kickboxing and done some sub grappling as well. I can not tell you how many fighters I have talked to that are on PED's. All of my information is on fighters in PA, Ohio and Wv so maybe its just in these states but I highly doubt it. They just all cycle them so they are clean before a fight. The timing of this test is the only reason he was caught. He is the only fighter who has to be sujected to these standards. The entire Hunt to stop PED's in sports is stupid.
Pskinner_mma314
4/23/12 1:06:55PM

Posted by postman


Posted by Pskinner_mma314


Posted by grappler0000

Must be a pretty bad doctor not to discuss the benefits/side effects of steroidal vs non steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs prior to prescribing them.



This.....

It's known as informed consent. Every time a Doctor/Physician conducts a procedure or prescribes medication, they are supposed to go over the advantages and disadvantages of having it, as well as the advantages and disadvantages of not having it.

It's law here in the states, idk about anywhere else.



I pretty much have never in my memory have had a doctor give me the run down of what a drug will do to myself or my son. When it comes to my kid I always ask myself on the other hand I usually just take whatever they give me.

I have been a corner in both Pro and Amature MMA fights I have fought in Kickboxing and done some sub grappling as well. I can not tell you how many fighters I have talked to that are on PED's. All of my information is on fighters in PA, Ohio and Wv so maybe its just in these states but I highly doubt it. They just all cycle them so they are clean before a fight. The timing of this test is the only reason he was caught. He is the only fighter who has to be sujected to these standards. The entire Hunt to stop PED's in sports is stupid.



Its very true that most of the time Doc's won't go over the ins and outs of what they are giving, unless it's majorly serious.. And yes, most people trust them enough to just let them give it to them without questioning it. Working in the medical field, i see this all the time.
For example:

I give childrens vaccines on a daily basis, ya know for the major diseases (Polio, Mumps, Measles, Hepatitis A & B, Meningitis etc.) and one of the things we have to give parents is a pamphlet giving all the information about the vaccine their child is getting.....most of them don't even take it out of the exam room.

Overeem very well could have done the same thing most people do, but at the same time, he does have also what's known as Professional Responsibility. Basically Overeem, your in the spotlight as a world class fighter in the biggest organization, and you're big as FUCK....know what your taking, ask the Doc, by law, he has to tell you.
hashyandy4
4/23/12 1:51:07PM

Posted by the-king

tired of fighters saying they had no clue whats in there supplements or medicine or w.e thats your job do it



Agreed
Bubbles
4/23/12 4:57:05PM

Posted by State_Champ

Wish he would specify the anti-inflammatory which caused such high T levels.

I would think that sharing as much information as possible about the situation would help to prove the truth of his statement.

Also, it might be nice for other athletes to know that they ought to be wary of this mystery medication.



did you ever think that maybe he legally cannot say what it is? How many times has this happened in this sport but the name of the product is not given to the public? Don't you think that at least 1 person by now would have said something? Same thing in other sports
Bubbles
4/23/12 4:59:12PM

Posted by sparky

LoL the man wasnt busted for Roids I think everyone needs to actually pay attention to the situation instead of bashing a fighter for something he hasnt done.

The R33M haters get funnier and funnier everytime a new topic is added about him

" I aggravated an old rib injury on my left side. My doctor prescribed, and I accepted, an anti-inflammatory medication that was mixed with testosterone" NOT STEROIDS

Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs interact with testosterone glucuronidation


I've mentioned this countless times but it falls on deaf ears. Ignorant haters
warglory
4/23/12 5:03:09PM
Does it really make a difference if it's testosterone or steroids? If it's not prescribed for a deficiency, than it's a PED according to the commissions. Technically, if a fighter is provided steroids for pneumonia or something, and he informs the commission ahead of time prior to testing, than taking steroids is a non-issue.

The problem is Overeem, whether he was cheating or not, failed to do his job properly.
sparky
4/23/12 5:51:52PM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by sparky

LoL the man wasnt busted for Roids I think everyone needs to actually pay attention to the situation instead of bashing a fighter for something he hasnt done.

The R33M haters get funnier and funnier everytime a new topic is added about him

" I aggravated an old rib injury on my left side. My doctor prescribed, and I accepted, an anti-inflammatory medication that was mixed with testosterone" NOT STEROIDS

Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs interact with testosterone glucuronidation


I've mentioned this countless times but it falls on deaf ears. Ignorant haters



Gotta spread the love Bubs or you would have props from me
Manak
4/23/12 7:01:05PM

Posted by warglory

Does it really make a difference if it's testosterone or steroids? If it's not prescribed for a deficiency, than it's a PED according to the commissions. Technically, if a fighter is provided steroids for pneumonia or something, and he informs the commission ahead of time prior to testing, than taking steroids is a non-issue.

The problem is Overeem, whether he was cheating or not, failed to do his job properly.



there is a difference, if he was taking a banned substance that is a PED or riod then he would have been cheated to get an edge but if what he says is true as sparky said Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs interact with testosterone glucuronidation, he failed for High T, not a PED, that was caused by medicine. but yes i do agree it still fails on overeem for not making sure it would be ok to take what he did but he says it was prescribed by a doctor, if true it seems he has the proof to avoid being suspended. at least it is a better than saying it is a supplement and he is owing up to it being his fault. unless it is proven he was takin banned stuff then he just BS'en.

As far as clearing his name, i think he is screwed ppl will always be ignorant to the facts if what he says is true. as other athletes have experienced its guilty until proven... wait ppl don't care anyone so you are guilty either way.
bjj1605
4/23/12 8:25:03PM
Seriously guys.....

Every fighter who test positive has an excuse. Invariably they convince some people.

But are we so naive as to believe them?

PED abuse happens. Its not like everyone out there is doing it but its not as rare as we'd like to think either. I know a lot of pro-fighters and (to my knowledge) they're all clean. But someone else said earlier that they know a lot of pro-fighters and athletes that are using PEDs.

They're out there and people aren't exactly going to admit to using them.

I think if you look at Overeem's career as a whole, its hard to believe that he's not using PEDs in some way or another.
Sir_Karl
4/23/12 8:41:22PM
I am so sick of cheating losers with no integrity who use PEDs and I am also sick of their terrible excuses. Overeem is a cheater....bottom line. He is pathetic. I say test these guys every month, fine them $500,000 when they get pinched and suspend them for 5 years. PED usage in MMA would end as we know it. Integrity means nothing nowadays. It is time to get hard on these clowns.
cowcatcher
4/23/12 8:54:54PM

Posted by Sir_Karl

It is time to get hard on these clowns.



The clown porn site I frequent says the same thing.
Manak
4/23/12 9:47:31PM

Posted by bjj1605

Seriously guys.....

Every fighter who test positive has an excuse. Invariably they convince some people.

But are we so naive as to believe them?

PED abuse happens. Its not like everyone out there is doing it but its not as rare as we'd like to think either. I know a lot of pro-fighters and (to my knowledge) they're all clean. But someone else said earlier that they know a lot of pro-fighters and athletes that are using PEDs.

They're out there and people aren't exactly going to admit to using them.

I think if you look at Overeem's career as a whole, its hard to believe that he's not using PEDs in some way or another.



I like i said i am waiting for the appeal process to finish before i brand him a cheater. yes I am an overeem fan but no reason to pass judgment till it is finalized by the NSAC. if they upheld their initial ruling then ill say overeem cheated. what if overeem gets the ok by NSAC, then he is clean. that simple. like i said before to ppl don't care about due process anymore, its guilty no matter what.


Posted by Sir_Karl

I am so sick of cheating losers with no integrity who use PEDs and I am also sick of their terrible excuses. Overeem is a cheater....bottom line. He is pathetic. I say test these guys every month, fine them $500,000 when they get pinched and suspend them for 5 years. PED usage in MMA would end as we know it. Integrity means nothing nowadays. It is time to get hard on these clowns.



I do agree with your punishment because it will end PED use for those not brain dead stupid. but if there is an appeal you have to wait to see if there was something else instead of just them trying to cheat. the are courts for a reason and fighters should be able to use if they have a cause
warglory
4/23/12 10:09:45PM

Posted by Manak


Posted by bjj1605

Seriously guys.....

Every fighter who test positive has an excuse. Invariably they convince some people.

But are we so naive as to believe them?

PED abuse happens. Its not like everyone out there is doing it but its not as rare as we'd like to think either. I know a lot of pro-fighters and (to my knowledge) they're all clean. But someone else said earlier that they know a lot of pro-fighters and athletes that are using PEDs.

They're out there and people aren't exactly going to admit to using them.

I think if you look at Overeem's career as a whole, its hard to believe that he's not using PEDs in some way or another.



I like i said i am waiting for the appeal process to finish before i brand him a cheater. yes I am an overeem fan but no reason to pass judgment till it is finalized by the NSAC. if they upheld their initial ruling then ill say overeem cheated. what if overeem gets the ok by NSAC, then he is clean. that simple. like i said before to ppl don't care about due process anymore, its guilty no matter what.



I'm not really sure how he is going to get out of this unscathed. He has admitted to taking a banned substance without prior approval, whether it was honest or not, and has withdrawn his request for a license. Whether he attempted to cheat the system or not, the result is still the same, and personally my respect for the man has diminished for hurting his employers, JDS, and the fans. If some kind of justification is acquired, than I'll change my tune, but until then, this admission and his withdrawal are damning.
Bubbles
4/23/12 10:18:26PM

Posted by warglory

Does it really make a difference if it's testosterone or steroids? If it's not prescribed for a deficiency, than it's a PED according to the commissions.



do you find a difference between drinking beer and drinking antifreeze? do you find a difference between smoking weed and smoking crack? do you find a difference between driving 60 mph and driving 90 mph in a 50 mph zone? According to your POV, there is no difference because you are either intoxicated, high or speeding.

Pookie
4/23/12 10:25:41PM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by warglory

Does it really make a difference if it's testosterone or steroids? If it's not prescribed for a deficiency, than it's a PED according to the commissions.



do you find a difference between drinking beer and drinking antifreeze? do you find a difference between smoking weed and smoking crack? do you find a difference between driving 60 mph and driving 90 mph in a 50 mph zone? According to your POV, there is no difference because you are either intoxicated, high or speeding.




To be fair, the metaphorical equivalent of a 14:1 ratio makes even the lesser options in each scenario highly unsafe -
-You'll die from Alcohol Poisoning just the same as Antifreeze.
-You're acting just as stupid from weed as some would from crack.
-You're reckless driving at 60 Mph, is just as dangerous as 90 Mph to the kid you ran over on a red light.

Testosterone has the same result as Steroids. They help you put on Mass/continue to train/refine your muscle when a normal person would need to rest.

Now the issue here is whether Overeem's Low Epistestosterone count is valid. If it is, then it is. But if it's not, than yes. He's on PED's just the same as someone on steroids.
Adrenaline
4/24/12 1:24:38AM

Posted by Pookie

-You're reckless driving at 60 Mph, is just as dangerous as 90 Mph to the kid you ran over on a red light.



Well come on now Pookie, we all know that 60 mph = 26.822 m/s and that 90 mph = 40.234 m/s. Surely the 13.412 m/s difference in speed would change the outcome??

That really has nothing to do with anything, I just notice that when my cursor hovered over 60/90 mph, google was kind enough to pop up and break it down for me in m/s. Again, not pertinent at all, kind of cool though.

I'm tired of all of this nonsense. Whether he is right or wrong, the Reem just needs to bend over and take his punishment. Get it over with, and get back to fighting. I'll forgive you, as will most people. Just be a good boy and get back to smashing fools.

Pookie
4/24/12 1:27:51AM

Posted by Adrenaline


Posted by Pookie

-You're reckless driving at 60 Mph, is just as dangerous as 90 Mph to the kid you ran over on a red light.



Well come on now Pookie, we all know that 60 mph = 26.822 m/s and that 90 mph = 40.234 m/s. Surely the 13.412 m/s difference in speed would change the outcome??

That really has nothing to do with anything, I just notice that when my cursor hovered over 60/90 mph, google was kind enough to pop up and break it down for me in m/s. Again, not pertinent at all, kind of cool though.

I'm tired of all of this nonsense. Whether he is right or wrong, the Reem just needs to bend over and take his punishment. Get it over with, and get back to fighting. I'll forgive you, as will most people. Just be a good boy and get back to smashing fools.




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