Posted by Pskinner_mma314
This is one of them "you're talkin the talk, you better walk the walk" situations.
The only thing that I keep thinkin is, say his sample B passes and he actually manages to beat JDS. Won't matter how many times he defends and pisses clean, even if its for the rest of his career, random or not, that ONE incident will taint his name for life.
We'll see what happens.
Posted by grappler0000
Posted by Pskinner_mma314
This is one of them "you're talkin the talk, you better walk the walk" situations.
The only thing that I keep thinkin is, say his sample B passes and he actually manages to beat JDS. Won't matter how many times he defends and pisses clean, even if its for the rest of his career, random or not, that ONE incident will taint his name for life.
We'll see what happens.
I don't know that it will taint him for life. Even guys that don't get it overturned are able to move on from it. Vitor and Royce are a couple of examples. If he was cleared, we'd forget about it as soon as he shows us a another beautiful KO.

Posted by Chael_Sonnen
Riddle me this Uber.....how does your head get larger from consuming horse meat![]()
Barry Bonds wants to know that as well.
Posted by Pskinner_mma314
This is one of them "you're talkin the talk, you better walk the walk" situations.
The only thing that I keep thinkin is, say his sample B passes and he actually manages to beat JDS. Won't matter how many times he defends and pisses clean, even if its for the rest of his career, random or not, that ONE incident will taint his name for life.
We'll see what happens.
Posted by postman
It amazes me how misinformed people are about Roids HGH and the like. Barry Bonds still had to make contact with those baseballs and Nothing he put in his body gave him that ability. Reem still has to go to the gym hours on end working the mitts, bags etc. Do they make you stronger yes but you still need to push the weight to grow. Its not like the guy takes a shot and is the Hulk over night. All the health hazzards are way over blow as well. No one ever says you know these guys go to the gym and spar at a level none of us have ever experainced. The contact they take in the gym is greater then most peoples worst street fight. This is a daily thing for them. I'm not going to fault a guy for doing what he needs to do to keep that level of training. The idea that there isn't a level playing field is bull if you ask me. You still have to train.
Posted by crushedbacon
Posted by postman
It amazes me how misinformed people are about Roids HGH and the like. Barry Bonds still had to make contact with those baseballs and Nothing he put in his body gave him that ability. Reem still has to go to the gym hours on end working the mitts, bags etc. Do they make you stronger yes but you still need to push the weight to grow. Its not like the guy takes a shot and is the Hulk over night. All the health hazzards are way over blow as well. No one ever says you know these guys go to the gym and spar at a level none of us have ever experainced. The contact they take in the gym is greater then most peoples worst street fight. This is a daily thing for them. I'm not going to fault a guy for doing what he needs to do to keep that level of training. The idea that there isn't a level playing field is bull if you ask me. You still have to train.
Well I don't think anybody is saying Bonds and his use of PED's was improving his swing and hand/eye coordination. But it was surely giving him artificially enhanced power and a lot of those balls he wasn't hitting flush, that would normally be fly-ball outs, were sailing out of the yard. Not only that, he also had an enhanced ability to physically recover, which other clean athletes did not have. Allowing him to stay fresher over the grueling schedule.... both are current advantages Reem has over his clean opponents which any rational person would conclude as completely unfair. And yeah I'm sure all the health risks that have been correlated to PED use such as liver issues, heart and circulatory problems, psychiatric disorders, gland enlargements etc are all overblown and nothing to be concerned bout....
Bottom Line...The use of PED's is a competitive advantage, alongside a personal health risk and if you can't see that it creates an unfair training environment leading to an unfair competition then I'm not sure what else could be said.

Posted by postman
Posted by crushedbacon
Posted by postman
It amazes me how misinformed people are about Roids HGH and the like. Barry Bonds still had to make contact with those baseballs and Nothing he put in his body gave him that ability. Reem still has to go to the gym hours on end working the mitts, bags etc. Do they make you stronger yes but you still need to push the weight to grow. Its not like the guy takes a shot and is the Hulk over night. All the health hazzards are way over blow as well. No one ever says you know these guys go to the gym and spar at a level none of us have ever experainced. The contact they take in the gym is greater then most peoples worst street fight. This is a daily thing for them. I'm not going to fault a guy for doing what he needs to do to keep that level of training. The idea that there isn't a level playing field is bull if you ask me. You still have to train.
Well I don't think anybody is saying Bonds and his use of PED's was improving his swing and hand/eye coordination. But it was surely giving him artificially enhanced power and a lot of those balls he wasn't hitting flush, that would normally be fly-ball outs, were sailing out of the yard. Not only that, he also had an enhanced ability to physically recover, which other clean athletes did not have. Allowing him to stay fresher over the grueling schedule.... both are current advantages Reem has over his clean opponents which any rational person would conclude as completely unfair. And yeah I'm sure all the health risks that have been correlated to PED use such as liver issues, heart and circulatory problems, psychiatric disorders, gland enlargements etc are all overblown and nothing to be concerned bout....
Bottom Line...The use of PED's is a competitive advantage, alongside a personal health risk and if you can't see that it creates an unfair training environment leading to an unfair competition then I'm not sure what else could be said.
Over use of ped cause the health risks. If used properly the health risks are minimal. You are right the will help you increase power if you go put in the work. They also help you heal quicker. Seems to me that it is stupid not to take them if your a pro athlete.
Most fighters, especially in big camps or big names, are training their asses off. Look at the work the guys in Jackson's camp do for example. Look at how well conditioned the TUF guys come in now compared to years ago. Today's MMA athletes put in tons of training. The only true difference between training with steroids and training without them is results. The roider (especially abusers) will get major results from his training compared to the average fighter in training who isn't using them. Should they all have to abuse roids, and there by endanger their lives, to be on Overeem's level?
Posted by lll-lll
People who deny and lie get the worse scrutiny, just look at baseball.