Aldo's UFC 142 Cheat

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jfisher
1/17/12 11:26:05AM
I know that Aldo would have probably won anyways but I felt that Aldo's grabbing of the fence was what allowed the fight to be finished in the 1st round. If the fight has gone in the 2nd round, Chad's corner could have given him some pointers to put up more of a fight and although I said at the start that Aldo would have won anyways, I still stand by the fact that it nothing is guaranteed and Chad could have pulled off a miracle.

Reason I weigh the grabbing of fence pretty serious is cause the outcome of the round would have been very wry different. Just some thoughts.

What do you guys think?
KungFuMaster
1/17/12 11:42:34AM
Aldo does not strike me as a cheater like other fighters whose names will not be mentioned. I think the fence grabbing has to do with instinct more than anything. When you get sweep off your feet or when you lose your balance, it is a natural instinct to try and grab a hold of something to prevent the fall.

But anyway, I'm with you. I would have loved to see what could have been - had Mendes completed that takedown. It could have build momentum for Mendes....but we will never know.
postman
1/17/12 12:19:37PM
Or Aldo could have subbed him from the bottom.
Twenty20Dollars
1/17/12 12:26:27PM
Even if Mendes got Aldo down there, don't think Mendes was going to pull off a miracle. He couldn't land much or come close to a takedown.

I do think it would have gone to 2nd round without the cage grab, b/c the fight ended at 4:59.
kopower
1/17/12 12:44:36PM
I think it was a smart move. He avoided the takedown, and didn't get a point deducted. I wasn't thrilled with the move, but it worked.

This type of rule bending happens in almost every sport. You do what you have to in order to get the win. In basketball, players grab jerseys; in football there's all sorts things happening that players do to get an edge. Just the way it goes sometimes.
emfleek
1/17/12 12:47:56PM
It's a natural instinct. I woudn't even put it in the same ballpark as cheating.
pmoney
1/17/12 12:55:58PM
It is impossible to know what might have happened had Mendes secured that takedown. What we do know though, is that after Aldo was warned, he stop grabbing the fence and was taken down. And after he was taken down, he got back up immediately.

Who knows, maybe without the cage grab, Mendes gets KO'ed at 4:50 instead of 4:59, because he doesn't have to work another TD. Maybe Mendes KO's Aldo with some G'N'P. I sincerely doubt it, but you never know.

Fence grabbing is a huge point of debate though. How should it be handled? Point deductions? DQ's? Give the fighter going for the takedown the takedown and start them from guard? How much of it is instinct and how much is blatant cheating?

I don't know the answer to those questions, but I do know that after watching Aldo-Mendes, I don't really have a sour taste in my mouth. Mendes like Urijah Faber, only better in wrestling and worse everywhere else.
Lesnar1
1/17/12 12:56:19PM

Posted by emfleek

It's a natural instinct. I woudn't even put it in the same ballpark as cheating.



Kpro
1/17/12 1:05:47PM
Not as bad as Fedor grabbing the ropes against Lindland causing him to land on top of him..

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cowcatcher
1/17/12 1:07:41PM

Posted by Kpro

Not as bad as Fedor grabbing the ropes against Lindland causing him to land on top of him..

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Lindland just got into the range where his stench starts to overwhelm his opponent too. Not many guys can keep their equilibrium and stay uproght when he's that close. Bum deal for The Law.
kingsmasher
1/17/12 1:49:56PM
The problem I have with fence grabbing is basically Mendes is looking to advance position and grabbing the fence was an instinct that caused Mendes to maybe not get a TD...Bottom line.

Anything after that is speculation...Mendes might have slammed Aldo on his head...Think about it thats his first attempt and using all he has and then you get a resistance...
roadking95th
1/17/12 2:56:35PM
I thought it was pretty blatant. It didn't strike me as an "instinctual" move. Didn't Aldo have ahold of the fence before Mendes pulled him away from the fence?

Also, there was no doubt that there was going to be a takedown. Mendes was lifting and turning.

loonytnt
1/17/12 3:19:23PM
bed ref's that not, nuff said
Budgellism
1/17/12 3:38:45PM

Posted by emfleek

It's a natural instinct. I woudn't even put it in the same ballpark as cheating.



KungFuMaster
1/17/12 3:44:48PM

Posted by KungFuMaster

I think the fence grabbing has to do with instinct more than anything. When you get sweep off your feet or when you lose your balance, it is a natural instinct to try and grab a hold of something to prevent the fall.





I agree with you more, KFM. Keep up the good work.
tmas
1/17/12 4:09:15PM
it clearly wasnt something he did on purpose to cheat. It was an instinctual grabbing of the fence. who knows what would have happened....most likely Aldo would have wall walked and got back to his feet....you could clearly see him making a point of not grabbing the fence later, even when the ref thought he may be doing it again he showed him his hand was not facing the cage so he couldnt grab a hold of it. He did that like two times.....

so it was an accident, and even when mendes did get him down he got right back up as if nothing happened he made it look more of a slip then mendes taking him down (which wasnt the case).
Pookie
1/17/12 5:40:36PM

Posted by Kpro

Not as bad as Fedor grabbing the ropes against Lindland causing him to land on top of him..

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To be fair, Lindland did also grab the ropes in that same fight.
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