Airkerma's real time Fantasy UFC game

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airkerma
2/12/12 12:42:03PM
1. Players will draft a fight team at the very beginning of the game, the sooner the better so that it gets more interesting. This will be a snake draft, with draft order selected at random.
2. Teams will be quasi-permanent with certain trading, drafting, releasing allowed but resulting in penalties.
3. You score points based on the fighters you own, but there are no salary related handicaps or restrictions etc. For instance, you may pick anyone you want, but the only way you score points is if they fight and win. This would mean GSP would be a bad choice because despite being the top of the division, he will only fight once this year which will not earn anyone very many points.
4. The scoring is real time. Nothing will be based on past performances other than what factors into picking a team. If you pick Cerrone, you may have a cash cow on your hands because he fights (and wins) very often. His fight against Yves Edwards would be the first choice to score points with him as your fighter.
5. Should your fighter get cut from the UFC or go on an uncomfortable losing streak you can drop them at a point expense and pick up a free agent who was either overlooked or is new to the UFC.
6. Time: The most time intensive portion of this game will be the draft. Until everyone gets the hang of the system, I will tally the points. You will only score points when a fighter you own fights, so updates will only occur after a UFC event. Currently I am planning on keeping this game running for about three months and can reevaluate the game after 6/29/12
Scoring system:
Each player has a team comprised of your drafted fighters.
Gains
1. Your fighter wins a fight: 8 points
2. Your fighter finishes the fight: additional 2 points rd 3, additional 3 points rd 2, additional 5 points rd 1.
3. Your fighter earns S/K/FOTN: additional 8 points
4. Your fighter fights for a title: additional 5 points
5. Your fighter headlines a card: additional 3 points
6. Your fighter is on the main card: additional 1 point

Losses
1. Your fighter loses a fight: -2 points
2. Your fighter gets finished: -2 points rd 3, -3 points rd 2, -5 points rd 1 (in addition to original -2 points)
3. Dropping a fighter is a -5 point penalty when you draft a free agent
airkerma
2/12/12 12:45:41PM
Current Roster

Poor_Franklin
1. Ben Henderson LW
2. Anthony Pettis LW
3. Erik Koch FW
4. Alan Belcher MW
5. Anthony Njokuani LW
6. Eddie Wineland BW
7. Nate Marquardt WW
8. Denis Siver FW
9. Shane del Rosario HW
10. Robert Peralta FW
11. Stanislov Nedkov LHW
12. Terry Etim LW
13. Vaughn Lee BW
14. Leonard Garcia FW

prophecy033
1. Jon Jones LHW
2. Demetrious Johnson FLW
3. Michael McDonald BW
4. George Sotiropoulos LW
5. Maximo Blanco FW
6. Hatsu Hioki FW
7. Paulo Thiago WW
8. Dan Miller WW
9. Shane Carwin HW
10. Chris Leben MW
11. Ben Rothwell HW
12. Felipe Arantes FW
13. Josh Neer WW
14. John Cholish LW

Playground_Samurai
1. Joseph Benavidez FLW
2. Rousimar Palhares MW
3. Brian Stann MW
4. Evan Dunham LW
5. Stipe Miocic HW
6. Antonio Silva HW
7. Mark Bocek LW
8. Jonathan Brookins FW
9. Jacob Volkmann LW
10. Stephan Bonnar LHW
11. Mike Swick WW
12. Rich Franklin MW
13. Alex Caceres BW
14. Tom Lawlor MW

trevail
1. Rick Story WW
2. Johnny Eduardo BW
3. Mike Chiesa
4. Wanderlie Silva
5. Alistair Overeem HW
6. Rani Yahya
7. James Te Huna LHW
8. Kyung Ho Kang
9. Mitch Gagnon
10. Hyun Gyu Lim
11. Mike Ricci
12. Cristiano Marcello
13. Patrick Cote
14. Takeya Mizugaki

TheBudCan
1. Dominick Cruz BW
2. Chael Sonnen MW
3. Erick Silva WW
4. Travis Browne HW
5. Siyar Bahadurzada WW
6. Ryan Bader LHW
7. Tony Ferguson LW
8. Ricardo Lamas FW
9. Papy Abedi WW
10. Georges St. Pierre WW
11. Jeff Curran BW
12. Justin Salas LW
13. Karlos Vemola MW
14. Tim Means LW

danclarke1992
1. Hector Lombard MW
2. Nate Diaz LW
3. Rashad Evans LHW
4. Diego Sanchez LW
5. Chan Sung Jung FW
6. TJ Dillishaw BW
7. Joe Lauzon LW
8. lavar johnson HW
9. Demian Maia WW
10. Daren Elkins FW
11. Nick Diaz
12. Cody Donovan
13. Hugo Viana
14. Brad Scott

shaneTpain
1. Anderson Silva MW
2. Dan Henderson LHW
3. Manny Rodriquez
4. Ian McCall FLW
5. Dave Herman HW
6. Bart Palaszewski FW
7. Cung Le MW
8. Mike Chiesa LW
9. Dong Hyun Kim WW
10. Alessio Sakara MW
11. Erik Perez BW
12. Mike Russow HW
13. Pascal Krauss WW
14. Mike Rio

sparky
1. Jose Aldo FW
2. Cain Velasquez HW
3. Shogun Rua LHW
4. Urijah Faber BW
5. Jon Fitch WW
6. Constantinos Philippou MW
7. Lil Nog LHW
8. TJ Grant LW
9. Mike Pierce WW
10. Matt Hamill LHW
11. Igor Pokrajac LHW
12. Sam Stout LW
13. Hacran Dias FW
14. Ramsey Nijem LW

Budgellism
1. Vitor Belfort LHW
2. Renan Barao BW
3. Jake Ellenberger WW
4. Johnny Hendricks WW
5. John Moraga
6. Marcelo Guimaraes
7. Cyrille Diabate LHW
8. Mizuto Hirota
9. Kazuki Tokudome
10. Mark Hunt HW
11. George Roop
12. Daron Cruickshank LW
13. John Tuck LW
14. Yushin Okami MW

Bubbles
1. Donald Cerrone LW
2. Rory MacDonald
3. Buddy Roberts WW
4. Jordan Mein WW
5. Bobby Green LW
6. Quinton Jackson LHW
7. Philip De Fries
8. Jay Heiron WW
9. Nick Ring
10. Cub Swanson
11. Jon Manley WW
12. LIZ CARMOUCHE BW
13. Montonbu Tezuka BW
14. Brad Tavares

emfleek
1. Makdessi, , , , , ,
2. Riki Fukuda MW
3. Voelker
4. Mulhern
5. Anton Kuivanen (LW)
6. Jabouin
7. Carvalho
8. Danny Castillo LW
9. Shawn Jordan HW
10. Duran
11. Vinny Magalhães
12. Phil Harris (FlyW)
13. Isaac Villie-Flagg
14. Tumura

hashyandy4
1. Junior Dos Santos
2. Chad Mendes
3. Jake Shields
4. Gray Maynard LW
5. Mark Munoz
6. Glover Teixeira
7. Cheick Kongo
8. Cole Miller
9. John Hathaway
10. Duane Ludwig
11. Roy Nelson
12. Chris Cariaso
13. Dennis Bermudez
14. Josh Grispi

Rabi
1. Michael Bisping
2. Alexander Gustaffson
3. Robert Whitaker
4. Clay Guida LW
5. Colton Smith
6. Paul Sass LW
7. Joey Beltran
8. Gabe Gonzaga
9. Edwin Figueroa
10. Dan Hardy
11. Matt Wiman
12. Jimi Manawa
13. Rony Jason
14. Rustam Khabilov

tattflash
1. Carlos Condit
2. Jim Miller LW
3. Tom Watson
4. Stefan Struve
5. John Dodson
6. Phil Davis
7. John Lineker
8. Court Mcgee
9. Colin Fletcher
10. Ross Pearson
11. Todd Duffee
12. Mike Wilkinson
13. Jorge Santiago
14. Manny Gamburyan

airkerma
1. Frankie Edgar FW
2. Chris CamozziMW
3. Gian Villante LHW
4. Charles Oliveira FW
5. Ivan Menjivar BW
6. Jeremy StephensLW
7. Dustin Poirier FW
8. Matt Mitrione HW
9. Scott Jorgensen BW
10. Joe Proctor LW
11. Mike Pyle WW
12. Yuri Villefort WW
13. Raphael Assuncao BW
14. Nick Catone WW
hashyandy4
2/12/12 12:47:33PM
Lets Go!! Super Excited 4 this Airkerma!!
sparky
2/12/12 1:03:55PM
still room for me if so im in
shaneTpain
2/12/12 1:27:50PM
Ill play if theres still a slot
emfleek
2/12/12 1:29:24PM
How long does the game last?
airkerma
2/12/12 1:39:23PM
I edited that now, thanks emfleek. Currently I am planning on letting it go until the end of the year. It will be slower than most games with only a few midgame adjustments for players, so people won't get sick of it over that long of a time span since it will just be a casual fun addition to watching fights and coming to this site.
Bubbles
2/12/12 4:39:08PM
I would do a test run for a few months to see if there are any kinks or tweaks that need to be made. June 29 (UFC Brazil - Sao Paulo) would be a good time to reassess it and if this is running smooth, we can just keep it as is and continue on to the end of the year.

How many fighters on each roster?
Max/min fighters per weigh class?
What site are you using for underdog odds?
I dont agree with being docked points for a trade. No other fantasy league/pool I have played in does so...and in those leagues I talk trade fairly often. It's just my managing style, but if this sticks then I will have to adapt

Personally I think the point layout is a little high. Down the stretch the races wouldnt be as close or interesting with the potential large gaps. Here is how I would adjust it:
Gains
1. Your fighter wins a fight: 5 points
2. Your fighter finishes the fight: additional 2 points rd 3, additional 3 points rd 2, additional 5 points rd 1. imo it should be consistent with the losing fighter
3. Your fighter earns S/K/FOTN: additional 5 points
4. Your fighter fights for a title: additional 5 points
5. Your fighter headlines a card: additional 3 points
6. Your fighter is on the main card: additional 1 point
7. Your fighter is a +300 underdog and wins: additional 2 points underdogs are +, favourites are -
Losses
1. Your fighter loses a fight: -2 points
2. Your fighter gets finished: -2 points rd 3, -3 points rd 2, -5 points rd 1 (in addition to original -2 points)
3. Dropping a fighter is a -3 point penalty when you draft a free agent
4. Trading: should you and another player wish to trade fighters, both parties lose 2 points after completing the transaction.
5. Your fighter is a -300 favourite and loses: -2 points added in to balance the underdog bonus
Playground_Samurai
2/12/12 4:45:12PM
can i still get in on this?
trevail
2/12/12 9:08:52PM
Im in! Just a precaution though.... I did a similar game in my camp with 7 players picking 3 fighters per division and doing two divisions at a time and it took almost 10 days. There is a very high probability that even at 2 fighters each per division we may not finish the draft before the event on wednesday?!?!
Bubbles
2/12/12 11:52:33PM
yeah I think a more realistic goal is for UFC Japan
trevail
2/13/12 12:05:17AM
yeah during the week it really slowed down for us, alot of times guys even missed their picks (12 hour window from the previous pick) but during the weekend it went fast
airkerma
2/13/12 9:24:46AM
I don't have a problem with any of those ideas bubbles. I could consider dropping the trading and drafting penalties, but without them people will play the system. Once your fighter fights drop pick a new one up and get a more recent event on the table. That would kind of ruin the game so I want a safeguard to stop anyone from add/drop a bunch of fighters after every event. As for trading, it's unlikely people will work as a team so it may be far fetched to think they will trade to just benefit one player over and over.

For start time, I meant I wanted to get the game in order and the draft started after Ellenberger vs Sanchez.
trevail
2/13/12 11:29:09AM
I would say if anything that you should increase trade penalties to 5 points to discourage people from manipulating their fosters to suit upcoming events. Specifically, if your fighter is cut from the roster or injured for some length of time you should suffer a significant penalty for picking a questionable fighter.
airkerma
2/13/12 11:34:34AM

Posted by trevail

I would say if anything that you should increase trade penalties to 5 points to discourage people from manipulating their fosters to suit upcoming events. Specifically, if your fighter is cut from the roster or injured for some length of time you should suffer a significant penalty for picking a questionable fighter.


We need to be clear what we're addressing here. A trade would be between two players, so someone trying to manipulate their rosters would have to convince another player to help them stack their roster.
As for adding and dropping, I agree there should be a penalty, perhaps a steep one to avoid the add/drop game from happening every time an event comes up. We may just need to let it play out to see if the penalty needs to be raised or lowered. 5 points doesn't sound outlandish to me though.
Rabi
2/13/12 11:46:01AM
I think 5 pts sounds like a reasonable penalty for dropping a fighter!
trevail
2/13/12 2:07:45PM
Very true. Perhaps the add/drop scenario should be limited to only cuts and extended layoffs (injury or suspension)
Bubbles
2/13/12 9:50:42PM
I agree with the idea of penalizing someone from dropping a fighter, but I dont agree with penalizing people for trading. 5 points should work fine

imo 18 fighters per roster is too large and the draft will take a lot longer than desired. In Rabi's pro wrestling side game, there were 8 people and 10 wrestlers per roster...it took 13 days to complete the draft of 80 picks...currently you have 252 picks. UFC Japan is in 13 days - imo that is quite the stretch to get it done by then. March 3 (UFC on FX 2: Alves vs Kampmann) is more realistic to get this started if you wanna keep the large roster. I have no problem with this size, but I know you want to get this started asap and I am pretty confident that we wont get it done in time for 144
trevail
2/13/12 11:37:44PM
Yeah we went by division for my draft, 7 players and 7 weight classes meant that everyone got a first pick in one class and we did 3 fighters for every class, except only for BW and FW.

Perhaps with 14 players, it would pay to do it by division with two picks per and a rotating order. The following would essentially cut the length of the draft time in half:

For example Player 1 picks first at HW, then Player 2 for HW, and then Player 3 makes what would be the 3rd pick at HW and the 1st at LHW and so on until the two divisions are complete through 2 rounds of 14 players picks. Then Player 5 would start MW, and upon Player 7s turn they would also start WW.

It ends up being a very fair draft this way as well and with trades you could make the rule that trading starts after completion of the entire draft and if agreed upon we could say that you must maintain 1 fighter in each division
airkerma
2/14/12 9:33:05AM
In the interest of saving time let's cut it down to 14 fighters per player. I don't want to cut it down much more because if we need to have 1 fighter per weight class minimum, each player is already cut to 7 free picks. I'll PM everyone and let them know the draft is starting. This will be a snake draft and using my sophisticated methods (small pieces of paper) I will randomly pick the order. Max 4 fighters ina weight class, though I would be surprised if anyone tested this one. Like you said bubbles, I want to get this moving so we can make adjustments as we go. If it happens that we miss Bendo vs Edgar, so be it. It's not like we're really on the clock, if the game sucks then we'll can it early. No trading penalties, as I don't see the point unless later on it turns out everyone is working together or something. Draft/drop penalties still apply. Until someone notices something else wrong, we'll just continue as we are. Draft choices can be any weight class.
airkerma
2/14/12 9:38:09AM
Draft Order
1. Prophecy033
2. airkerma
3. shaneTpain
4. TheBudCan
5. hashyandy4
6. Playground_Samurai
7. sparky
8. danclarke
9. poor_franklin
10. tattflash
11. trevail
12. budgelism
13. bubbles
14. Rabi
Rabi
2/14/12 9:40:56AM

Posted by airkerma

Draft Order
1. Prophecy
2. airkerma
3. shaneTpain
4. TheBudCan
5. hashyandy
6. Playground_Samurai
7. sparky
8. danclarke
9. poor_franklin
10. tattflash
11. trevail
12. budgelism
13. bubbles
14. Rabi



Ouch lol! I hate those little bits of paper!
Bubbles
2/14/12 11:36:21AM
I feel your pain Ray, I'm not much better lol

I declare shenanigans!
prophecy033
2/14/12 1:19:09PM
Let's get this shit started

Jon Jones
airkerma
2/14/12 2:12:03PM
Frankie Edgar
airkerma
2/14/12 2:12:54PM

1. Prophecy033: Jones Jones
2. airkerma: Frankie Edgar
3. shaneTpain: Anderson Silva
4. TheBudCan: dominick cruz
5. hashyandy4: junior dos santos
6. playground samura:i joe benevidez
7. sparky: jose aldo
8. danclarke1992: alistair overeem
9. poor frankling: Benson Henderson
10. tattflash: Carlos Condit
11. trevail: Dustin Poirier
12. Budgellism: vitor belfort
13. bubbles: pick and make up pick
14. Rabi: Michael Bisping MW, Alexander Gustaffson HW
shaneTpain
2/14/12 2:20:03PM
Sorry about the wait boys! I fuckin hate valentines day! haha
Okay so the champs are bein gobbled up early.
hmmmmmm... ill take Spider Silva
prophecy033
2/14/12 2:21:38PM

Posted by shaneTpain

Sorry about the wait boys! I fuckin hate valentines day! haha
Okay so the champs are bein gobbled up early.
hmmmmmm... ill take Spider Silva

You're fine, no waiting really
prophecy033
2/14/12 2:22:52PM
So should we PM then next guy after we make our pick?
airkerma
2/14/12 2:29:10PM
That would be most helpful, prophecy. It might make this draft take less than a month.
No wait at all shane, thanks for that quick bid.
I think I speak for most males on Earth:
Valentines day =
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