ADCC: Cruz Vs. Monson *controversial*

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richieb19
2/23/07 12:38:17AM
You may have hears about this submission grappling match prior to threir fight at UFC 59, or maybe just through the grapevine. This is the one where Cruz taps to a can-oppener, which is an illegal submission in Abu-Dhabi, however this video shows that Monson wasnt infact trying to win with it, and a glitch in the rules starts a long arguement between the two camps and the ref. Apperantly Monson stripped naked at the end and stormed off, luckily this isn't shown video, but to be honest it's a miracle that he was able to keep a cool head for that long.

Enjoy

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1426h_jeff-monson-vs-pe-de-pano-cruz

RichBoy
2/23/07 1:24:30AM

Posted by richieb19

You may have hears about this submission grappling match prior to threir fight at UFC 59, or maybe just through the grapevine. This is the one where Cruz taps to a can-oppener, which is an illegal submission in Abu-Dhabi, however this video shows that Monson wasnt infact trying to win with it, and a glitch in the rules starts a long arguement between the two camps and the ref. Apperantly Monson stripped naked at the end and stormed off, luckily this isn't shown video, but to be honest it's a miracle that he was able to keep a cool head for that long.

Enjoy

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1426h_jeff-monson-vs-pe-de-pano-cruz



Yea i remeber hearing about that fight prior to there bout in the UFC. Atleast Jeff got revenge and won were it really counted in the UFC.
aceprone
2/23/07 2:22:05AM
You can use a "can opener" in the ADCC? It's used all the time in mma. Doesn't make sense to me. It seemed like there's some sort of discrimpincy with the gaurd being closed. So I really don't understand.
richieb19
2/23/07 2:31:22AM

Posted by aceprone

You can use a "can opener" in the ADCC? It's used all the time in mma. Doesn't make sense to me. It seemed like there's some sort of discrimpincy with the gaurd being closed. So I really don't understand.

Basically the rules (for this specific match anyways) stated that the can-opener can be used to open a closed guard, but not as a finishing submission, Cruz knew this so he kept his guard closed and tapped to get the win. Really cheap on his part IMO, plus his actions afterwards where very childish also.
aceprone
2/23/07 2:33:40AM

Posted by richieb19


Posted by aceprone

You can use a "can opener" in the ADCC? It's used all the time in mma. Doesn't make sense to me. It seemed like there's some sort of discrimpincy with the gaurd being closed. So I really don't understand.

Basically the rules (for this specific match anyways) stated that the can-opener can be used to open a closed guard, but not as a finishing submission, Cruz knew this so he kept his guard closed and tapped to get the win. Really cheap on his part IMO, plus his actions afterwards where very childish also.



I understand now. It's not Monson's fault that Cruz tapped. I think Cruz was just upset that he couldn't out muscle Monson. It's Cruz's fault that he tapped. But whatever, pretty interesting footage.
madmarck
2/23/07 8:17:51AM

Posted by richieb19

You may have hears about this submission grappling match prior to threir fight at UFC 59, or maybe just through the grapevine. This is the one where Cruz taps to a can-oppener, which is an illegal submission in Abu-Dhabi, however this video shows that Monson wasnt infact trying to win with it, and a glitch in the rules starts a long arguement between the two camps and the ref. Apperantly Monson stripped naked at the end and stormed off, luckily this isn't shown video, but to be honest it's a miracle that he was able to keep a cool head for that long.

Enjoy

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1426h_jeff-monson-vs-pe-de-pano-cruz



I read about this. Some offical yelled for Monson to put his clothes back on. Then Monsons coach yelled out "hey man you just f*cked him in the ass you cant f*ck him in the ass with shorts on"'. I laughed when i heard that.


After watching the Video its still uncertain. If it was legal to do that to open the guard why was it illegal to use as a sub. It left open a opprutunity like what happened.
i dont think Moson attacking that random guy afterwards helped.
But if the Can Opener was illegal then Monson should have been DQ'd. He had that cranked on Cruz pretty hard.

By that Way Shonie at the end was the best part.
Manfred
2/23/07 8:43:41AM
So in the end he was DQ'd?

Was it just me or did the Ref look like one of the older Gracies? (Can't remember his name, but he's between Rorion and Rickson, I think)
madmarck
2/23/07 8:48:01AM

Posted by Manfred

So in the end he was DQ'd?

Was it just me or did the Ref look like one of the older Gracies? (Can't remember his name, but he's between Rorion and Rickson, I think)


Wsant the REf the Bald guy? He looked like Wand from Behind without the Tatoo.
The guy at the Camera on the Tripod looked like a older version of Renzo. Im pretty sure i never saw Rickson there. But who knows the Camera was so shakey. It might have been Rorion who knows.

It was weird though. The Ref said to keep fighting and then Cruz flipped until the Ref gave him the win. You can look at both sides and see the truth in both.
Did Cruz cheat? who knows thats like asking Ken if he got KO'd by Sakuraba. Only he knows.
Ydoc
2/23/07 10:30:41AM
That's some lawyer MMA for you. Pano is such a baby.
richieb19
2/23/07 12:00:50PM

Posted by madmarck


Posted by richieb19

You may have hears about this submission grappling match prior to threir fight at UFC 59, or maybe just through the grapevine. This is the one where Cruz taps to a can-oppener, which is an illegal submission in Abu-Dhabi, however this video shows that Monson wasnt infact trying to win with it, and a glitch in the rules starts a long arguement between the two camps and the ref. Apperantly Monson stripped naked at the end and stormed off, luckily this isn't shown video, but to be honest it's a miracle that he was able to keep a cool head for that long.

Enjoy

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1426h_jeff-monson-vs-pe-de-pano-cruz



I read about this. Some offical yelled for Monson to put his clothes back on. Then Monsons coach yelled out "hey man you just f*cked him in the ass you cant f*ck him in the ass with shorts on"'. I laughed when i heard that.


After watching the Video its still uncertain. If it was legal to do that to open the guard why was it illegal to use as a sub. It left open a opprutunity like what happened.
i dont think Moson attacking that random guy afterwards helped.
But if the Can Opener was illegal then Monson should have been DQ'd. He had that cranked on Cruz pretty hard.

By that Way Shonie at the end was the best part.



Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the ref he jumped? Because I remember that Monson and his camp where saying that they were instructed in the dressing room about the can-opener rule, and the ref thought he was being accused of lying so declared PadePano the winner, then Monson lost it...

I could be wrong though...
richieb19
2/23/07 12:04:03PM

Posted by madmarck
It was weird though. The Ref said to keep fighting and then Cruz flipped until the Ref gave him the win. You can look at both sides and see the truth in both.
Did Cruz cheat? who knows thats like asking Ken if he got KO'd by Sakuraba. Only he knows.


Cruz didnt technically cheat, he just won in the cheapest way possible, and him not wanting to continue fighting Monson only proves that he was probably not able to beat him properly in the 1st place. Damn you on the Ken remark, damn you!
madmarck
2/23/07 12:44:23PM

Posted by richieb19


Posted by madmarck
It was weird though. The Ref said to keep fighting and then Cruz flipped until the Ref gave him the win. You can look at both sides and see the truth in both.
Did Cruz cheat? who knows thats like asking Ken if he got KO'd by Sakuraba. Only he knows.


Cruz didnt technically cheat, he just won in the cheapest way possible, and him not wanting to continue fighting Monson only proves that he was probably not able to beat him properly in the 1st place. Damn you on the Ken remark, damn you!


hahaahha i loved it. Monson did have Cruz on his back the entire time. Its fairly clear that Monson was the stronger. He si all muscle and Cruz well he isn't close.
roadking95th
2/23/07 3:11:11PM
Was it ever certified that the Can Opener could be used to open the guard? I am going to base my post on the fact that it was, especially consider Monson's camp was going to show the video proving it.

How could anyone ever root for Cruz again. At the very least, he should have seen the confusion on his or Monson's part and continued the fight. It is not like he had his arm broken. No reason he could not continue except that he did not want to. Not only didn't Cruz open his guard, he used his left hand to pull his legs into a Figure-4 after the Can Opener is applied.

On a side note....what's with all the foreigners having high-pitched voices just kidding...well, actually I have always been curious about that
madmarck
2/23/07 9:05:08PM
Who knows man. I got a friend from France who talks pretty high. I think English is just a deeper language. But then again so is Russian. Who knows man. Anybody on here have a background in Linguistics?
SteedTheDeed
2/25/07 7:56:58PM
why wont cruz take the rematch, he just wants monson DQ'ed. god, i guess beggers can be choosers.
madmarck
2/26/07 9:37:19AM

Posted by SteedTheDeed

why wont cruz take the rematch, he just wants monson DQ'ed. god, i guess beggers can be choosers.



They had one. In the UFC. Monson won by Split Descision.
richieb19
2/26/07 1:40:46PM

Posted by madmarck


Posted by SteedTheDeed

why wont cruz take the rematch, he just wants monson DQ'ed. god, i guess beggers can be choosers.



They had one. In the UFC. Monson won by Split Descision.

I think he meant when the ref asked them if they wanted to continue in that match.