UFC 151 Cancelled, partial tear to the MCL in Dan Henderson's right knee

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goheels
8/23/12 3:14:04PM
Congrats to Chael Sonnen, the new LHW champion! (winner by forfeit )
jlock003
8/23/12 3:18:36PM

Posted by jlock003


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

UFC shouldn't just rely on one fighter to have the card stay.

Make it free, broadcast it on facebook.


When was the last time a main event fight had to be put together on 8 days notice? I can't remember that far back.



I can't prop, gotta spread the love, but I generally prop if a guy makes a valid comment that's going to be very unpopular. Well said. As far as the last time it's happened it was probably a fight Franklin stepped up for be it the Wandy fight, the Chuck fight or maybe Belfort, but quite honestly I'm not sure the timing. I know Leben took a really short notice fight...thinking maybe that was a spike tv main event?



Bisping vs. Sonnen when Munoz got hurt was 8 days. Obviously not a title fight but did have title implications.
Poor_Franklin
8/23/12 3:18:44PM
having the fights go on w/out the main event at the price the fans originally paid wouldve been even more messed up bc that would have been a horrible card that they couldnt get refunds on
danclarke1992
8/23/12 3:26:28PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

UFC shouldn't just rely on one fighter to have the card stay.

Make it free, broadcast it on facebook.


When was the last time a main event fight had to be put together on 8 days notice? I can't remember that far back.



Charlie Brenneman stepped up on 24 hours notice to fight rick story
prophecy033
8/23/12 3:30:37PM

Posted by danclarke1992


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

UFC shouldn't just rely on one fighter to have the card stay.

Make it free, broadcast it on facebook.


When was the last time a main event fight had to be put together on 8 days notice? I can't remember that far back.



Charlie Brenneman stepped up on 24 hours notice to fight rick story

Wasn't it Leben who fought twice in 2 weeks? I could be wrong
danclarke1992
8/23/12 3:36:35PM

Posted by prophecy033


Posted by danclarke1992


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

UFC shouldn't just rely on one fighter to have the card stay.

Make it free, broadcast it on facebook.


When was the last time a main event fight had to be put together on 8 days notice? I can't remember that far back.



Charlie Brenneman stepped up on 24 hours notice to fight rick story

Wasn't it Leben who fought twice in 2 weeks? I could be wrong



Yeah, i think it was simpson and akiyama he fought
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 3:50:42PM
But those weren't Championship fights. Though, Idk if this was going to be for the title.


I just think blame needs to be spread elsewhere also.

Hendo getting injuried.

UFC not having some other alternatives.
cowcatcher
8/23/12 3:56:50PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

But those weren't Championship fights. Though, Idk if this was going to be for the title.


I just think blame needs to be spread elsewhere also.

Hendo getting injuried.

UFC not having some other alternatives.



Sure there are other places to put some of the blame: the weak card after the main event, the injury, but one guy could have saved this thing and he didn't. That says it all for me.
Dberntson
8/23/12 3:57:25PM
Dont forget that Henderson was trying his best to train and still take the fight with a partial torn MCL. Hendo wasnt scared from the "P4P" champ. Emphasis on the quotation marks, as any P4P fighter should be willing to take on a man at least 20#s smaller. I could see turning down an elite HW - say JDS, Cain, Allistar, but a middle weight? Come on Jon. Grow some.
cowcatcher
8/23/12 3:58:56PM

Posted by goheels

Congrats to Chael Sonnen, the new LHW champion! (winner by forfeit )



I like this, very nice.
thevoodooninja
8/23/12 4:02:40PM
couldnt dana strip him of the belt for not excepting a fight like that? i figure the ferittas and dana are fuming over jones making them lose that kind of money
Chieftan1997
8/23/12 4:05:45PM
Wow, I've been a fan of Jones from the beginning. I saw his pro debut and was impressed with him every since. I've defended him to the haters through everything but it's hard to defend this move. He's cutting his own throat big time and has let the whole MMA world of fans down. Jones needs to take a page out of Hendo's book you're the champ Jones you should fight anyone, anywhere, anytime!!!
calitrees
8/23/12 4:09:35PM
Thats what im saying tell him to fight or lose the Title. Dana acts so tough then gets pushed around by his champions. He talks about how wants to keep MMA away from the path of boxing, Step 1. you make the fights not the fighters.
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 4:15:51PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

But those weren't Championship fights. Though, Idk if this was going to be for the title.


I just think blame needs to be spread elsewhere also.

Hendo getting injuried.

UFC not having some other alternatives.



Sure there are other places to put some of the blame: the weak card after the main event, the injury, but one guy could have saved this thing and he didn't. That says it all for me.



Dana could have let the other guys fight still, not a good business move but still. But probably either way fans won't be happy.
EDIT: I guess I just said this in the other thread. Too many to keep up with.

Jones shouldn't be stripped of the title, that's extreme. I'd strip GSP or Condit before Jones.

I for one, was not overly excited for this card. I got other stuff to watch/do until the next event.
I-GOT-THIS-PICK
8/23/12 4:15:56PM
Why did it have to be Sonnen? Are your telling me not one other LHW would step up and fight Jones for the title.I don't think Sonnen deserves a shot at the LHW champ. I would rather see Jon Jones vs Jeremy Horn
infestructure
8/23/12 4:22:14PM
Jon Jones now gives me Frank Mir face...



tuvok500
8/23/12 4:22:18PM
What a shame

The worst part is the guys who were under the main card, they are not gonna be rescheduled so easily, some if not all are not so rich and this event was literally their pay check for a while.
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 4:23:52PM

Posted by I-GOT-THIS-PICK

Why did it have to be Sonnen? Are your telling me not one other LHW would step up and fight Jones for the title.I don't think Sonnen deserves a shot at the LHW champ. I would rather see Jon Jones vs Jeremy Horn



From what I understood, Jones wasn't going to fight anybody or maybe he was only offered Sonnen or he was the only one to step up.

But, I would like to think someone else in the LHW would have stepped up. Although, I'd rather see a challenger face Jones with more preparation.
lohmann
8/23/12 4:28:28PM

Posted by infestructure

Jon Jones now gives me Frank Mir face...




Jon Jones now gives me Clint Eastwood face:

tallica62
8/23/12 4:30:13PM
Jackson/Jones just shot themselves in the foot with a huge dana white bullet
MMA-San
8/23/12 4:39:07PM
Why can't Dana strip him and book Sonnen vs Machida/Rashad/Shogun for the title?

Make an example Dana, champions don't turn down fights. Anybody is justified in turning down late notice fights except the CHAMPION...it comes with the territory!

Strip him...then strip Silva if he refuses to fight Weidman!
crushedbacon
8/23/12 4:44:04PM
I'm not a huge Jones fan. Never have been. But I can't believe how many people are piling on him today.

So the UFC puts together a dog shit card, one SO bad... that losing the title challenger in the main event forces them to cancel the whole show. But Dana says its Jones fault, for not taking a fight against Sonnen 8 days out....

If I'm Jones, I'm not fighting anybody with 8 days notice.... Way too much too lose, going in unprepared for a specific opponent. I'll take the Dana "are you a real fighter" speech all day long. Because according to Dana real fighters don't have the ability to think critically about anything. They should be just be full of "Yes's" and be willing to fight anywhere for any amount....








cowcatcher
8/23/12 4:53:37PM

Posted by crushedbacon

I'm not a huge Jones fan. Never have been. But I can't believe how many people are piling on him today.

So the UFC puts together a dog shit card, one SO bad... that losing the title challenger in the main event forces them to cancel the whole show. But Dana says its Jones fault, for not taking a fight against Sonnen 8 days out....

If I'm Jones, I'm not fighting anybody with 8 days notice.... Way too much too lose, going in unprepared for a specific opponent. I'll take the Dana "are you a real fighter" speech all day long. Because according to Dana real fighters don't have the ability to think critically about anything. They should be just be full of "Yes's" and be willing to fight anywhere for any amount....




Yeah there's a lot to lose, but what were the chances that Cheal would have won that fight with a one week camp, especially considering Jones just had a full camp. To me there was way more for Jones to gain here as he has been losing fans for months, and this only would have gained the respect of fans and legitimized him as a take on all comers fighter despite the recent comments about not wanting to fight Machida. The only way Jones ever digs himself out of heel status now is to beat a bigger heel, and right now that guy doesn't exist.

Sure, I agree that some blame falls on the UFC for the weak card, but Jones could have stepped up and saved the day, which would have been great in the eyes of the fans, his bosses, and other fighters. Where does this leave him now?

This isn't 100% on him, but he had a 100% chance to save the card.
OnyxShadow
8/23/12 4:56:47PM
Its a combination of bad timing and Dan Henderson's fault here. What the hell is Dan doing training hard enough one week out that he gets himself taken out of an upcoming title fight? What this is not is the fault of Jon Jones. Its in no way reasonable for a defending champion (or any other serious fighter) to be expected to take an entirely different opponent with only a week to prepare for it. Its nice for the fans when they do, but it is certainly not always the most wise move.

So many people are determined to be pissed off at Jon Jones for any little thing.

And please don't me laugh about Jones being afraid of Sonnen. Chael is absolutely zero threat to him.
Shawn91111
8/23/12 4:59:12PM

Posted by tuvok500

What a shame

The worst part is the guys who were under the main card, they are not gonna be rescheduled so easily, some if not all are not so rich and this event was literally their pay check for a while.



Very true indeed. They will be scrapping by for sure.
Shawn91111
8/23/12 5:03:34PM

Posted by OnyxShadow

Its a combination of bad timing and Dan Henderson's fault here. What the hell is Dan doing training hard enough one week out that he gets himself taken out of an upcoming title fight? What this is not is the fault of Jon Jones. Its in no way reasonable for a defending champion (or any other serious fighter) to be expected to take an entirely different opponent with only a week to prepare for it. Its nice for the fans when they do, but it is certainly not always the most wise move.

So many people are determined to be pissed off at Jon Jones for any little thing.

And please don't me laugh about Jones being afraid of Sonnen. Chael is absolutely zero threat to him.



This is Henderson's fault for a grappling session?

george112
8/23/12 5:05:21PM
for hendo

for Jones
prophecy033
8/23/12 5:09:47PM

Posted by crushedbacon

I'm not a huge Jones fan. Never have been. But I can't believe how many people are piling on him today.

So the UFC puts together a dog shit card, one SO bad... that losing the title challenger in the main event forces them to cancel the whole show. But Dana says its Jones fault, for not taking a fight against Sonnen 8 days out....

If I'm Jones, I'm not fighting anybody with 8 days notice.... Way too much too lose, going in unprepared for a specific opponent. I'll take the Dana "are you a real fighter" speech all day long. Because according to Dana real fighters don't have the ability to think critically about anything. They should be just be full of "Yes's" and be willing to fight anywhere for any amount....

Jones had the chance to look like a hero had he said "im not a fan of the short notice fight but you know what, I'm gonna do it". He would have looked real good had he accepted. He would have gained more fans and got that respect he says he deserved. Not just that, he was just saying he doesn't wanna retire broke.....well, you step up and take this...BOOM, big pay day. For a guy so concerned with his image you would think he woulda jumped at this. If he's not willing to take the fight on 8 days notice then I'm sorry, he's not as confident as I thought. It's not like he wasn't training for a fight. All he has to do is change a few things and he should be ok. Greg Jackson can plan for anything.....remember.

It's these types of situations that make you a true superstar in fans eyes. You come up big in these situations. You take on all comers whenever, wherever. Thats why people love Liddell and Hendo and now Chael. Their down for whatever.
Poor_Franklin
8/23/12 5:21:26PM

Posted by OnyxShadow

Its a combination of bad timing and Dan Henderson's fault here. What the hell is Dan doing training hard enough one week out that he gets himself taken out of an upcoming title fight? What this is not is the fault of Jon Jones. Its in no way reasonable for a defending champion (or any other serious fighter) to be expected to take an entirely different opponent with only a week to prepare for it. Its nice for the fans when they do, but it is certainly not always the most wise move.

So many people are determined to be pissed off at Jon Jones for any little thing.

And please don't me laugh about Jones being afraid of Sonnen. Chael is absolutely zero threat to him.



if Henderson is at fault.....
his grappling is the reason the fight was cancelled. JJ is the reason the ppv got cancelled.

also, i wish your boy JJ & Jackson had the same confidence against Chael that you do.
Shawn91111
8/23/12 5:23:38PM
Also interesting that Jones took his first UFC fight on less than 14 days notice, as well as stepped in on short notice to fight Shogun
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