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POLL: Which statement below do you most agree with?
Rashad clearly won the fight because he used a better gameplan than Rampage. 67% (32)
Rashad just barely won the fight because he was a little bit faster. 2% (1)
Rashad dominated the fight only because his wrestling was superior to Rampage’s. 4% (2)
Rashad and Rampage had an even fight & although Rashad was given the decision, it could ha 0% (0)
Rashad only won the fight because Rampage was much too slow and cautious. 19% (9)
Rashad badly lost round 3 which should have been enough for Rampage to win. 8% (4)
MrMcMachoman
5/31/10 12:23:03PM
Hey guys, this is for everyone who watched Evans v Jackson

Please choose the statement you most agree with. I 'm very interested in seeing the results.,and please be honest. Thanks alot.

Jess

prozacnation1978
5/31/10 12:38:19PM
I am glad evans is back to being his normal self. Boring fights. Going to decisions
And talking a lot but won't trade punches with thiago silva or rampage
I hope shogun knocks him out
Chael_Sonnen
5/31/10 1:04:32PM
Watching this fight really frustrated me....Rampage fought tentatively, especially when he should have went in for the kill in the third round. Though Rashad worked his "game plan" to a T...I still wasn't impressed with how he fought.

Great fight card....disappointing main event.

Really hope Shogun destroys Rashad!

Bloodhound
5/31/10 1:19:09PM
Rashad fought conservatively, stayed away from Rampages power punches and did not want to trade at all, he held Rampage on the cage got a few takedowns and grinded out a win despite almost getting knocked out in the 3rd Round (if Rampage wasnt coming off that long lay off he would have knocked Rashad out imo)...Shogun is gonna kill him
Twenty20Dollars
5/31/10 1:40:55PM
Did anyone reall believe rashad was just going to stand and trade with rampage? No, because of greg jackson and the gameplan they were going to use.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/31/10 2:51:09PM
If Dong Hyun Kim is Captain Lay and Pray, Rashad was Captain Cage and Pray. I was shocked by how easily he was able to hold Rampage against that cage. To think, I was saying Rampage's power would be the difference. Clearly, it was Rashad's.
Bloodhound
5/31/10 2:56:15PM

Posted by BlueSkiesBurn

If Dong Hyun Kim is Captain Lay and Pray, Rashad was Captain Cage and Pray. I was shocked by how easily he was able to hold Rampage against that cage. To think, I was saying Rampage's power would be the difference. Clearly, it was Rashad's.



I don't think it was a matter of power I think it was more Rashad's speed to get Rampage onto the cage and just holding on, alot of the time Rashad would go for a double leg and Rampage would stuff it but Rashad would continue to try for it and keep Rampage pressed against the cage. I honestly think of Rampage was more active and didn't do the movie he would have finished Rashad with that opportunity he had in the 3rd Round
BlueSkiesBurn
5/31/10 2:57:28PM
Well, shoulda, woulda, coulda's didn't get Rampage's hand raised. Rashad fought smart and was the better man.
Pookie
5/31/10 2:59:14PM
It wasnt power so much as leg strength. Pushing him into the cage and keeping him there was possible because of the leg strength rashad built for that fight.

I wasnt impressed with rashad's performance, but he most certainly won.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/31/10 3:10:31PM

Posted by Pookie

It wasnt power so much as leg strength. Pushing him into the cage and keeping him there was possible because of the leg strength rashad built for that fight.

I wasnt impressed with rashad's performance, but he most certainly won.



Aren't they one in the same? I know for me that I don't possess knockout power but my power comes from my legs. I played hockey all my life so my legs are built like a brick sh*thouse. My arms, on the other hand, are minuscule compared to my legs.
Pookie
5/31/10 3:19:38PM
Yeah, explosive power predominantly comes from leg strength. I dont think thats what won him the fight though. Pushing him against the cage won him that fight, and him being able to pin him there was from the leg strength he possessed.

Both come from the same area, but i dont think power had anything to do with him beating rampage.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/31/10 3:25:57PM
I see what you're saying, I guess I just don't differentiate between the two. My power stems from my legs. That's all I know. I've never knocked anyone out with my fists but I have with my legs. I guess it's all relative.
Jackelope
5/31/10 3:28:10PM
I was really, really surprised Rashad was able to keep him pinned against the cage like he did. The wrestling worked out about how I figured it would, though- Rampage defended most of the takedowns and clearly had a strength advantage when he wanted to use it.

I think Rampage was just out of shape flat out. Rashad won via better game plan, but I would probably pick Rampage in a rematch. Rampage isn't known as someone who lacks killer instinct- so it was a bit strange to see what happened in the 3rd round. I think he was just tired as hell and that his mind wasn't really in it.

It was also very clear that Rashad had been on a new and improved strength and conditioning plan. I can't recall ever seeing him look so compact and muscular. Big props to whoever designed that strength program because clearly it worked. Someone also mentioned in the press conference that Rashad for the first time dictated the pace of the fight at the beginning. I noticed this at the start of the fight, too. Rashad usually lets his opponents dictate the pace of the fight but he came out with a bang in this one.

All in all it was just an impressive performance that shows you what a great camp like Greg Jackson's is capable of doing for a fighter. They set Rashad up with the right game plan, with the right training, and kept his mind right throughout the fight. If and when they rematch I expect to see a much more focused and active Rampage who should have no trouble dispatching Rashad.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/31/10 3:36:24PM
It's funny that you mention that because we had mentioned that during the fight as well. I was shocked to see Rashad pushing the pace. Rampage didn't seem to know what to do with that. I'm not a man who eats crow easily but I will in this instance. Rashad looked great Saturday night aside from that shot he took. Which, as I've stated in other threads, doesn't do anything for him in the book I'm writing called "Rashad's Chin Will Eventually Be Exposed"
Chael_Sonnen
5/31/10 3:58:29PM
I just don't understand why Rampage didn't go for broke in the 3rd?? He looked like he didn't want to win....very frustrating
FlashyG
5/31/10 4:05:38PM
Rampage got rocked in the fight too, and he's been knocked out 3 times as many times as Rashad. Will he get a book too?
Bloodhound
5/31/10 4:09:13PM

Posted by Chael_Sonnen

I just don't understand why Rampage didn't go for broke in the 3rd?? He looked like he didn't want to win....very frustrating



like he said he "put all his eggs in one basket" he almost finished Rashad but Rashad got out the way of the GnP and after that Rampage was just too tired to attack anymore
Pookie
5/31/10 4:11:33PM

Posted by FlashyG

Rampage got rocked in the fight too, and he's been knocked out 3 times as many times as Rashad. Will he get a book too?



actually, theyve been knocked out an equal amount of times.

Techincal knock outs are a different story entirely. Ha! you got to love semantics.
BlueSkiesBurn
5/31/10 4:11:47PM

Posted by FlashyG

Rampage got rocked in the fight too, and he's been knocked out 3 times as many times as Rashad. Will he get a book too?



My problem with this topic is that I can't properly articulate why I think this about Rashad. He just has a look when he gets rocked. I guess the best way to state it is that it's like poker. Rashad has a "tell" when he's on the verge of being blanked. Machida saw it and went for the kill. Rampage and Silva just couldn't do it because they were gassed. Rashad will have that look when he fights Rua and Rua will finish him.
Jackelope
5/31/10 11:59:15PM

Posted by BlueSkiesBurn


Posted by FlashyG

Rampage got rocked in the fight too, and he's been knocked out 3 times as many times as Rashad. Will he get a book too?



My problem with this topic is that I can't properly articulate why I think this about Rashad. He just has a look when he gets rocked. I guess the best way to state it is that it's like poker. Rashad has a "tell" when he's on the verge of being blanked. Machida saw it and went for the kill. Rampage and Silva just couldn't do it because they were gassed. Rashad will have that look when he fights Rua and Rua will finish him.



I know what you're talking about and it's not that unusual to be honest. You gotta remember Rashad is a wrestler. He's not used to taking shots in fights. Contrary to what many people may believe you do learn "how to get hit" after years and years of fights. I know I'm nowhere near there yet, but there are certain guys who most definitely are. It's a skill that is developed and Rashad may just not have it yet.

You never really see this kind of thing in boxing because by the time guys are main event status or at least televised they've usually had 20 or 30 amateur boxing matches on top of the 30 pro bouts they've had. They're well versed on taking a shot. In MMA it's a bit different because a lot of these guys, especially those who are used to doing their business on the ground, aren't used to getting popped on the feet.
Bloodhound
6/1/10 12:24:34AM

Posted by FlashyG

Rampage got rocked in the fight too, and he's been knocked out 3 times as many times as Rashad. Will he get a book too?



Rampage got hit and stumbled but stayed composed, rashad in the fight hit the floor went limp for a second and was almost put out. Rampage was only Ko'ed once and TKo'ed twice and all 3 times he took 20-30 vicious knees
Twenty20Dollars
6/1/10 12:28:41AM
Well cleary the fight went wrong for rampage when he didnt get the first punch like rashad said he was going to let rampage do.

what was it, I'll give you the first punch mother effer.
SST
6/1/10 12:47:23AM
I hope we don't have another Greg Jackson fighter holding a belt. Playing it safe will win you fights (GSP) but it's boring has hell to watch, especially if they don't try to finish the fight with submission attempts or gnp.

I really wanted Rampage to win this fight, but had my doubts due to his long layoff period. Rashad's wrestling was the deciding factor in this fight.
State_Champ
6/1/10 9:40:42AM

Posted by BlueSkiesBurn

If Dong Hyun Kim is Captain Lay and Pray,Rashad was Captain Cage and Pray . I was shocked by how easily he was able to hold Rampage against that cage. To think, I was saying Rampage's power would be the difference. Clearly, it was Rashad's.



If Dong Hyun Kim is Captain Lay and Pray, Rashad was Captain Wall and Stall.
While I did not like the gameplan Rashad applied (because I wanted Rampage to KO him) I believe the Wall and Stall title belong to Randy Couture.
BlueSkiesBurn
6/1/10 10:10:34AM

Posted by Jackelope
I know what you're talking about and it's not that unusual to be honest. You gotta remember Rashad is a wrestler. He's not used to taking shots in fights. Contrary to what many people may believe you do learn "how to get hit" after years and years of fights. I know I'm nowhere near there yet, but there are certain guys who most definitely are. It's a skill that is developed and Rashad may just not have it yet.

You never really see this kind of thing in boxing because by the time guys are main event status or at least televised they've usually had 20 or 30 amateur boxing matches on top of the 30 pro bouts they've had. They're well versed on taking a shot. In MMA it's a bit different because a lot of these guys, especially those who are used to doing their business on the ground, aren't used to getting popped on the feet.



Yes, this is what I am talking about. I love that people can say what I am thinking but I can't. Makes me feel retarded.
BlueSkiesBurn
6/1/10 10:21:36AM

Posted by State_Champ


Posted by BlueSkiesBurn

If Dong Hyun Kim is Captain Lay and Pray,Rashad was Captain Cage and Pray . I was shocked by how easily he was able to hold Rampage against that cage. To think, I was saying Rampage's power would be the difference. Clearly, it was Rashad's.



If Dong Hyun Kim is Captain Lay and Pray, Rashad was Captain Wall and Stall.
While I did not like the gameplan Rashad applied (because I wanted Rampage to KO him) I believe the Wall and Stall title belong to Randy Couture.



Randy is more effective up against the cage.
ThereIis
6/1/10 12:22:36PM

Posted by Chael_Sonnen

I just don't understand why Rampage didn't go for broke in the 3rd?? He looked like he didn't want to win....very frustrating


Agreed I thought he had it.. I was reading this recap article and it looks like he just froze up. ttp://www.msg.com/blogs/evans-beats-jackson-bisping-also-wins-at-ufc-114-1.43803
MrMcMachoman
6/21/10 8:44:04PM
I want to thank everyone for posting and voting, the outcome of the vote was pretty much what I predicted and reflects my own personal view. That just goes to show how very important a good gameplan is .

Like him or not, Rashad is a smart fighter and a smart fighter always has a good shot. Dont completely count him out against Shogun, he has a small chance, wouldnt it be a huge upset?



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