UFC 104's Anthony Johnson: "As soon as I didn't make weight, my life changed"

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ThaAxeMurderer7
10/28/09 1:10:59AM
UFC welterweight Anthony Johnson should have left Los Angeles $60,000 richer.

After earning a devastating 43-second TKO win over Yoshiyuki Yoshida on the main card of this past Saturday's UFC 104 event in Los Angeles, Johnson appeared to be a lock for the evening's "Knockout of the Night" award and a $60,000 bonus.

But Johnson missed weight the day before, and UFC president Dana White declared "Rumble" ineligible for the award. Johnson said the penalty was a life-changing moment.

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supatolacyl
10/28/09 2:26:24AM
Yeah this sucked big time, I'm a huge fan of Rumble and there some very exciting fights that could be done at WW (Alves, Fitch, Koscheck, Swick and of course GSP) I don't believe any of those guys would be able to handle Johnson, escept for maybe GSP big fan of his too and would never bet against him. However, after the troubles of not making weight, (even though he had a reason, "some may call it an excuse" but a fighter shouldn't miss weight unless there is a birth or death in the family IMO) I'd like to see him move up to MW. He'd still be bigger then the majority of the fighters and would still flat out beast in the division and some very exciting fights in that division and would add a little more depth there. I know Anderson SIlva is already wanting to turn down a fight with Vitor, so he'd probably never take a fight with Johnson, but I would be excited as hell to see that fight, would be absolutely great and I don't care what any of the Silva nuthuggers say and I am one of them too. Ethier way Johnson decides to go he has a very bright future ahead of him and I hope he can get his weight issues under control.

(Also, was I mistaken or did Joe Rogan say during AJ's fight that he walks around at 220 pounds leading up to his fights?? Damn is all I can say about that and if it's true and he moves up to MW he could tack an extra 15 lbs onto that start weight. I don't know if I believe anyone can cut 50 lbs for a fight though, just seems unbelievable.
seanfu
10/28/09 2:43:24AM
Give him Kos, Fitch, Alves, Swick, Hazelett, or any other A-B level WW and he'll show some problems, give him a year or so to improve though and he'll definantly be competitive with any WW not named GSP.
postman
10/28/09 7:38:27AM

Posted by supatolacyl

Yeah this sucked big time, I'm a huge fan of Rumble and there some very exciting fights that could be done at WW (Alves, Fitch, Koscheck, Swick and of course GSP) I don't believe any of those guys would be able to handle Johnson, escept for maybe GSP big fan of his too and would never bet against him. However, after the troubles of not making weight, (even though he had a reason, "some may call it an excuse" but a fighter shouldn't miss weight unless there is a birth or death in the family IMO) I'd like to see him move up to MW. He'd still be bigger then the majority of the fighters and would still flat out beast in the division and some very exciting fights in that division and would add a little more depth there. I know Anderson SIlva is already wanting to turn down a fight with Vitor, so he'd probably never take a fight with Johnson, but I would be excited as hell to see that fight, would be absolutely great and I don't care what any of the Silva nuthuggers say and I am one of them too. Ethier way Johnson decides to go he has a very bright future ahead of him and I hope he can get his weight issues under control.

(Also, was I mistaken or did Joe Rogan say during AJ's fight that he walks around at 220 pounds leading up to his fights?? Damn is all I can say about that and if it's true and he moves up to MW he could tack an extra 15 lbs onto that start weight. I don't know if I believe anyone can cut 50 lbs for a fight though, just seems unbelievable.



Josh Thompson said he was 225 3 weeks before the fight. (I'm begining to sound like a broken record lol)
tallica62
10/28/09 8:44:09AM

Posted by seanfu

Give him Kos, Fitch, Alves, Swick, Hazelett, or any other A-B level WW and he'll show some problems, give him a year or so to improve though and he'll definantly be competitive with any WW not named GSP.



well it looks like ur prayer was answered...kos vs johnson... im still undecided as to my pick..right now im leaning to johnson very slightly
emfleek
10/28/09 8:47:17AM
What are Johnson's wrestling credentials?
Jackelope
10/28/09 9:28:01AM

Posted by emfleek

What are Johnson's wrestling credentials?



JUCO National Wrestling champion
emfleek
10/28/09 9:31:41AM

Posted by Jackelope


Posted by emfleek

What are Johnson's wrestling credentials?



JUCO National Wrestling champion



Do you think it's safe to assume that Kos will take this to the mat?
postman
10/28/09 9:35:31AM
Wiki says he wrestled for Lassen College but no other info
postman
10/28/09 9:38:41AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by Jackelope


Posted by emfleek

What are Johnson's wrestling credentials?



JUCO National Wrestling champion



Do you think it's safe to assume that Kos will take this to the mat?



You want to say yes but I mean GSP never wrestled and look at his skill on the mat. Kos wants to strike anymore and with Johnson being Juco champ you know taking him down won't be easy. I see this staying on the feet.
emfleek
10/28/09 9:44:43AM

Posted by postman

You want to say yes but I mean GSP never wrestled and look at his skill on the mat. Kos wants to strike anymore and with Johnson being Juco champ you know taking him down won't be easy. I see this staying on the feet.



Yeah, but GSP also trains with the Canadian Olympic team. There are exceptions for every rule and I think it's safe to say that GSP *is* the exception. He's just a freak of nature.

I see Kos wanting to stear clear of Johnson's striking by turning this into a wrestling match. Put Johnson on his back and pound him out.
postman
10/28/09 9:53:19AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by postman

You want to say yes but I mean GSP never wrestled and look at his skill on the mat. Kos wants to strike anymore and with Johnson being Juco champ you know taking him down won't be easy. I see this staying on the feet.



Yeah, but GSP also trains with the Canadian Olympic team. There are exceptions for every rule and I think it's safe to say that GSP *is* the exception. He's just a freak of nature.

I see Kos wanting to stear clear of Johnson's striking by turning this into a wrestling match. Put Johnson on his back and pound him out.



Yeah all im saying is these guys train so much its hard to go off back rounds anymore. GSP was a bad example.
AchillesHeel
10/28/09 9:54:20AM

Posted by emfleek

[...]I think it's safe to say that GSP *is* the exception. He's just a freak of nature.


Exactly. Guys like GSP and Fedor and BJ Penn are worthless as measuring sticks.
Jackelope
10/28/09 11:49:12AM
You know I don't know whether either guy will try to take this to the mat or not. I'd actually expect to see them trade on the feet a bit to feel each other out. After the feeling out is overwith I'd bet on a clinch against the cage for most of the fight. Never know, though
MaxOne
10/28/09 12:13:17PM

Posted by supatolacyl

Yeah this sucked big time, I'm a huge fan of Rumble and there some very exciting fights that could be done at WW (Alves, Fitch, Koscheck, Swick and of course GSP) I don't believe any of those guys would be able to handle Johnson, escept for maybe GSP big fan of his too and would never bet against him. However, after the troubles of not making weight, (even though he had a reason, "some may call it an excuse" but a fighter shouldn't miss weight unless there is a birth or death in the family IMO) I'd like to see him move up to MW. He'd still be bigger then the majority of the fighters and would still flat out beast in the division and some very exciting fights in that division and would add a little more depth there. I know Anderson SIlva is already wanting to turn down a fight with Vitor, so he'd probably never take a fight with Johnson, but I would be excited as hell to see that fight, would be absolutely great and I don't care what any of the Silva nuthuggers say and I am one of them too. Ethier way Johnson decides to go he has a very bright future ahead of him and I hope he can get his weight issues under control.

(Also, was I mistaken or did Joe Rogan say during AJ's fight that he walks around at 220 pounds leading up to his fights?? Damn is all I can say about that and if it's true and he moves up to MW he could tack an extra 15 lbs onto that start weight. I don't know if I believe anyone can cut 50 lbs for a fight though, just seems unbelievable.




Joe did say that but Anthony said different. Anthony said 220 is the highest he's ever been and it was right before this fight. he was sidelined due to an injury and put on extra weight.
Wolf
10/28/09 12:54:57PM

Posted by postman


Posted by emfleek


Posted by Jackelope


Posted by emfleek

What are Johnson's wrestling credentials?



JUCO National Wrestling champion



Do you think it's safe to assume that Kos will take this to the mat?



You want to say yes but I mean GSP never wrestled and look at his skill on the mat. Kos wants to strike anymore and with Johnson being Juco champ you know taking him down won't be easy. I see this staying on the feet.



Kos is a 3 time (maybe 4) D1 All-American. Juco champ is literally NOTHING compared to that. If cos wants to take him down, he will.

edit: he is a 4 time D1 All-American
Jackelope
10/28/09 2:29:02PM
You're right about JUCO being nothing compared to D-1, but there are certain other factors that weigh into the equation. I would say that as far as MMA goes it wouldn't be wise to just assume Koscheck will completely outclass Rumble on the mat. Not going to get into all of them, and I do agree that Koscheck has competed with tons of success at a much higher level in wrestling, but I'd be willing to bet that if circumstances had worked out well for Johnson he would have been fairly competitive at the D-1 level
Rush
10/28/09 2:39:06PM

Posted by Jackelope

You're right about JUCO being nothing compared to D-1, but there are certain other factors that weigh into the equation. I would say that as far as MMA goes it wouldn't be wise to just assume Koscheck will completely outclass Rumble on the mat. Not going to get into all of them, and I do agree that Koscheck has competed with tons of success at a much higher level in wrestling, but I'd be willing to bet that if circumstances had worked out well for Johnson he would have been fairly competitive at the D-1 level




I''ll attack it from a different angle. I don't think Alves has any official wrestling credentials, but Koscheck couldn't take him down.

There are so many factors that can go into this and I think the main one is, how long can Koscheck weather the storm in order to tire AJ out? I think if Koscheck can wrestle AJ in the clich in order to avoid the power shots, I think he can wear him down. However, Koscheck seems to always do the opposite of what I expect him to do, almost as if he is trying to prove a point that he doesn't need his wrestling or something.
Wolf
10/28/09 4:40:43PM
I think he has the ability to easily take him down. The problem is how will he make the attempt. If he goes back to his roots and just sets up a good shot at a double I don't think Rumble will stop him. In his earlier days, when he was still more of a straight wrestler you would watch Kos shoot a textbook double and keep driving all the way to the fence. If he set it up with his hands and drove through like he used to I feel pretty confident that he could dominate Rumble with the takedowns.
Jackelope
10/28/09 7:13:05PM

Posted by Wolf

I think he has the ability to easily take him down. The problem is how will he make the attempt. If he goes back to his roots and just sets up a good shot at a double I don't think Rumble will stop him. In his earlier days, when he was still more of a straight wrestler you would watch Kos shoot a textbook double and keep driving all the way to the fence. If he set it up with his hands and drove through like he used to I feel pretty confident that he could dominate Rumble with the takedowns.



Well that's the beauty of the sport. We'll see how it all plays out. I agree that if Kos gets back to his wrestling roots, uses his hands to set up the takedowns, and drives through them like he used to then he is a definite force to be reckoned with. However, like others have stated Kos seems to be a one track guy whether it's standup or takedowns he'll stick to it.

I think that's why guys like Guida and Sanchez, who aren't the best wrestlers and aren't the best strikers can be highly effective. Mixing it up and keeping a good pace can really change the dynamics of a fight.
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