What's going on with Vera?

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NutBar
1/15/07 5:50:21PM
It seemed like he pretty confident and like was ready to take a crack at the Syvlia and the heavyweight title. Haven't heard a thing about him fighting again in a while. I know he had 1 fight left on his contract, so maybe that has something to do with it? They didn't want to have a potential heavyweight champ who's shopping around somewhere else?
Uchiha
1/15/07 8:42:49PM
i think if he still had 1 fight left they'll feed him some random no namer or someone the ufc think can beat him then just let him leave to pride
waylon_o
1/15/07 8:51:22PM
That's probably right. Brandon Vera has great potential, and I would have picked him to win over Sylvia any day. I'm curious to know what's going on with him. Maybe he's scared of Cro Cop, but going over to Pride and Fedor wouldn't make much sense either.
hippysmacker
1/15/07 9:24:00PM
According to the wrestling observer he asked for a ridiculous signing bonus and contract. Also, he showed up the showtime press conference for thier new promotion and his agent said that the UFC could keep him , but the new promotion had money too. He went on to say the UFC no longer has a US monopoly and they would have to pay to keep him. I think Vera/Sylvia could have gone either way. However, I think he wanted all that money, because he knew he was gonna get KO'oed by crocop regardless if he beat Tim. If he leaves the UFC it probably won't be to pride, because they won't pay him enough to go to a place with a deeper heavyweight division. He probably will go to the Showtime show and be a big fish in a small pond, If he stays in the UFC I'm wrong and he will still have a lot of my respect. I think he should stay and if he gets beat drop to Lightheavy and fight Chuck, The UFC could sell both title fights and it will show he fears no one.
nate22
1/15/07 9:59:34PM
I personally doubt Vera would beat Tim, another example of people jumping on the bandwagon of somebody who is yet to even fight a top ten contender yet can suddenly take out the UFC champ

I'm not exactly saying that he wouldn't or couldn't, just I don't understand the disrespect towards Slyvia who has proved over and over again that he deserves his place at the top (for now), however boring he might be.
hippysmacker
1/15/07 10:03:37PM
I agree Tim is definately a top 5 HVY. However styles make fights, and I think anybody with good leg kicks has a good shot against Tim. So I still give him 50/50 shot. It's sucks for him that so many people don't appreciate the fact that he's always fought hard , and never ducked anybody
thepitbull00
1/15/07 11:39:42PM
I heard he wanted a big signing bonus but Dana said no so he's shopping himself around. They'll put him on an undercard fight later this year to finish out his contract.
TheArtOfWar
1/16/07 2:54:21AM
I hope they ll give him Kongo for his last contract fight
strikefirstgear
1/17/07 3:24:18AM
Vera vs Herring or Arlovski to finish the one fight contract and then we will see where it goes. He would be stupid to leave the UFC now. He has a future there and the money will come in time.

Hope he stays in the UFC.
waylon_o
1/17/07 8:35:30AM
In all of the interviews with Vera that I've read, all he talks about is money...I don't think he wants to put in the time and effort to climb his way up to the top, he's just looking for a quick paycheck.
www-WeLoan-us
1/17/07 9:41:16AM
there has been rumors that Vera wanted more $$ than the UFC was willing to pay and he might end up in pride. Hopefully they can work it out if not expect to see Vera face a lower end fighter on a under card fight.
WaikruMass
1/17/07 10:33:23AM
contract disputes. He only has one fight left on his UFC contract and they wont give him a title fight, and all of that leverage if he wins without a contract. So they're going to sit him for 8 months, give him an undercard and let him go.
NutBar
1/17/07 1:45:55PM

Posted by hippysmacker

If the stalemate continues .they should serve him up to Cro-cop for his 2nd UFC fight.



Man I would LOL if Dana gave Vera his last fight and it was vs CC... man what a parting gift for not agreeing to sign up
strikefirstgear
1/17/07 2:55:29PM

Posted by hippysmacker

If the stalemate continues .they should serve him up to Cro-cop for his 2nd UFC fight. However , I think they want to bury him, and not give him a chance to showcase himself on PPV. I think Cro-cop would KO him, but if he looked good against him for a while it would probably help his career. I'm pretty sure Dana is so pissed he won't even give him that. I'm firmly beleive the only reason they talked Coutre out of retirement is that they needed someone they could market to take Vera's place aginst Sylvia.



Sounds about right. Too bad money gets in the way so much. Alot of good fights could be had if they work it out. I would like to see Vera truly tested. I was very dissapointed in the Mir fight.
roninthomas
1/17/07 4:29:17PM
Vera should drop to lightheavy. he has a good chance of taking the belt from Chuck. With Cro Cop in the ranks of the UFC it would be a good time to drop down.
cowcatcher
1/17/07 5:20:03PM
UFC has a policy that doesn't allow ppl with less than a year left on their contracts to get a title shot, Vera wanted one and when informed of this policy asked for the big $$$$$ so he will get benched for the final 8 months of his contract then move on to pride or possibly, and dont be surprised if it happens, showtime, there is still the outside chance that this guy comes to his senses and sees that all the $ is gonna be in UFC in 5 years the way its going
strikefirstgear
1/17/07 9:09:19PM

Posted by cowcatcher

UFC has a policy that doesn't allow ppl with less than a year left on their contracts to get a title shot, Vera wanted one and when informed of this policy asked for the big $$$$$ so he will get benched for the final 8 months of his contract then move on to pride or possibly, and dont be surprised if it happens, showtime, there is still the outside chance that this guy comes to his senses and sees that all the $ is gonna be in UFC in 5 years the way its going



We can hope he comes to his senses. Money does weird things to people.
nate22
1/17/07 9:20:10PM
I don't know why people think Pride will care about Vera for one second. Think people.
roninthomas
1/18/07 5:59:57AM
I think Vera would bdo will in Pride Stomps and four point attacks, he good with the knees. Muay Thai & kickboxing does will over there.
hippysmacker
1/19/07 3:20:06PM
If the UFC isn't willing to pay him what he wants, I doubt Pride will. Their CEO even said they can't compete with UFC salary wise after the Cro-Cop signing
pv3Hpv3p
1/25/07 3:53:10PM

Posted by strikefirstgear


Posted by cowcatcher

UFC has a policy that doesn't allow ppl with less than a year left on their contracts to get a title shot, Vera wanted one and when informed of this policy asked for the big $$$$$ so he will get benched for the final 8 months of his contract then move on to pride or possibly, and dont be surprised if it happens, showtime, there is still the outside chance that this guy comes to his senses and sees that all the $ is gonna be in UFC in 5 years the way its going



We can hope he comes to his senses. Money does weird things to people.



I hope you are being sarcastic... Why would you ever look down on a guy trying ta make a better living for himself and/or his family? Any one of us would make that decision. Don't be selfish. Just because you and I and any UFC fan wants to see him fight, does not mean that he should take a crap deal and end up getting short changed like Rich Franklin. Vera isn't exactly young (29? late twenties), and he needs to think about his future. I would love to see him stay in the UFC (I think they need more heavyweight talent regardless, but CC and HH were a very good start on building that division back up).

So with that being said, I understand Vera's position, but I also understand the UFC's. The won't give him a title shot for his last fight, or he could leave with the belt like BJ and Tito did. And they think that he should prove himself more before getting the big bucks which is completely understandable (he's like 9-0 against C-B level fighters).

I would like to think that they could give him some sort of pro-rated / incentive based contract that would go up with increasing wins or could be cancelled if he ends up being another flash in the pan. I don't know anything about contract negotiations ect. but you'd think that a guy with Ver's position in the UFC org would try his damndest and that the people at UFC would try their damndest to make things work.
hippysmacker
1/25/07 4:34:45PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by strikefirstgear


Posted by cowcatcher

UFC has a policy that doesn't allow ppl with less than a year left on their contracts to get a title shot, Vera wanted one and when informed of this policy asked for the big $$$$$ so he will get benched for the final 8 months of his contract then move on to pride or possibly, and dont be surprised if it happens, showtime, there is still the outside chance that this guy comes to his senses and sees that all the $ is gonna be in UFC in 5 years the way its going



We can hope he comes to his senses. Money does weird things to people.



I hope you are being sarcastic... Why would you ever look down on a guy trying ta make a better living for himself and/or his family? Any one of us would make that decision. Don't be selfish. Just because you and I and any UFC fan wants to see him fight, does not mean that he should take a crap deal and end up getting short changed like Rich Franklin. Vera isn't exactly young (29? late twenties), and he needs to think about his future. I would love to see him stay in the UFC (I think they need more heavyweight talent regardless, but CC and HH were a very good start on building that division back up).

So with that being said, I understand Vera's position, but I also understand the UFC's. The won't give him a title shot for his last fight, or he could leave with the belt like BJ and Tito did. And they think that he should prove himself more before getting the big bucks which is completely understandable (he's like 9-0 against C-B level fighters).

I would like to think that they could give him some sort of pro-rated / incentive based contract that would go up with increasing wins or could be cancelled if he ends up being another flash in the pan. I don't know anything about contract negotiations ect. but you'd think that a guy with Ver's position in the UFC org would try his damndest and that the people at UFC would try their damndest to make things work.



Good post. Franklin himself said the UFC has taken care of him in other ways(sponsorships, bonuses and such), but he definately deserves a better deal. When he signed with the UFC they were still in the red. I agree Vera needs to look out for himself, but there are rumors( no concrete facts of course) that he asked for a contract similiar to the one Sylvia(huge signing bonus) just signed . "If" this is true, he's outta line in my opinion. Sylvia is a 2-time champ with multiple title defenses and he did beat Arlovski(UFC golden boy). I completley agree that he doesn't have a win against a top tier fighter, and I like the incentive / pro-rated contract idea. However, the one thing I really wonder is if he saw Cro-cop coming and wanted big cash now , thinking he couldn't hold the belt if he won it. I would have offered him the title shot , a pro-rated/incentive contract, and a clause that if he lost to Sylvia or Cro-cop that he could immediately drop to LTHVY and fight for the belt. It's a fight they could sell , and I firmly beleive a good figher at a higher weight has a good shot fighting at a lower weight. Eiher way this all just speculation, especially since we don't know for sure what's been offered or rejected.
ElGuApO91
1/25/07 6:44:21PM
the only real reason i can see him not fighting for the title or the ufc anymore is cro cop hes afraid.
pv3Hpv3p
1/26/07 11:16:45AM
Ya, you're right... It just seems cheap to me that the UFC could get away with paying one of their champs like 35,000 a fight (Around what I heard they paid Franklin), I mean sanchez made that much on Fight Night when he KO'd Riggs, but i guess they did try to make it up to him with the sponsorships etc...

Aas to him being worried about CC, IMHO, I think pro fighters possess a massive amount of confidence in themselves, so I don't think that he would worry about losing the belt. I would hope that he would have his goals firmly set on attaining it first. Big Tim is no pushover...

But you're right this is all just speculation, I just hope to see Vera fighting somewhere (hopefully the UFC) sometime soon. It would be a damn shame if they ended up sitting him for the length of his contract like some people are speculating.
BloodandTears
1/26/07 12:54:51PM

Posted by Uchiha

i think if he still had 1 fight left they'll feed him some random no namer or someone the ufc think can beat him then just let him leave to pride



I think they should give him a title shot if he resigns.
tffdwg38
1/28/07 1:57:32AM
let him fight chuck
pv3Hpv3p
1/28/07 8:03:01AM

Posted by tffdwg38

let him fight chuck



Chuck would tool him right off the bat... gotta let him fight a couple of lesser fighters before he gets a shot at the title... Let him get used to the drop in weight...

And then let Chuck work him over.
aceprone
1/28/07 2:29:00PM
the thing that really bothers me about Vera is how he came out to say he wanted to be the Heavy Weight and Light Heavy Weight champion. And now he talks about how he doesn't want to cut weight and only wants a expedition match with Chuck? It almost sounds like he is scared of looseing and possibly scared of Cro-Cop. But I don't blame him for wanting a bigger pay check, but you also have to be resoniable too. Why would he deserve to get paid what a champion gets paid when he's never been a champion in the big shows? I had a alot of hope for Vera, but lately he has really dissapointed me.
Reignofterror
1/28/07 4:00:31PM
Vera's going to get GSP syndrome if he's put up against Sylvia at this stage, although confident I don't think he'll want to screw up his chance at future contention by walking into a fight with Sylvia or even Crocop (yikes) and get his head kicked off in the first 2 minutes.

Brandon Vera is going to continue to improve and he knows that as well, when he feels ready for a title shot to the point to where he can feel confident being in the ring with veterans such as Crocop or Sylvia he'll gladly step up.
aceprone
1/28/07 5:30:33PM
I think he is ready. I just think he's scared of loosing.
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