Who's next for Randy Couture?

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babytater03
8/28/07 12:43:09PM



Oh and anyone who thinks Tito is still a top LHW contender is living in fantasy land.



AMEN!
alvin
8/28/07 12:58:25PM
bezun, is that wandy and arona in a bubble bath together?
Junior24
8/28/07 1:29:07PM
Randy is on medical suspension, so he is not fighting for at least 6 months (Broken Arm). That gives plenty of time for Fedor to be signed. CC and Vera will both win. Then the following four will be fighting for #1 contender.

1. CC
2. Vera
3. Big Nog
4. Arlovski

Possible matchups:

1. CC vs. Arlovski
2. Vera vs. Big Nog
3. CC vs. Vera
4. Big Nog vs. Arlovski
5. CC vs. Big Nog
6. Vera vs. Arlovski

The one that comes out a head will either #1 contender or fighting the winner of Fedor/Randy.

You still have the following as well:

1. Herring
2. Werdum
3. Kongo
4. Lesnar (Yes! I said it)
5. Timmy (Just 'cause)
6. Alexsander Emelinko (???)
7. Alistar Overeem (Heard is moving to HW and staying!!!)
loller90278
8/28/07 1:35:30PM
arlovksi wont fight anytime soon because of a contract dispute (he wants a lot of money for new contract, fertittas aint havin it..)
nubby
8/28/07 2:58:08PM

Posted by roman


Posted by nubby


Posted by roman

Big Nog should be Randy's next opponent. His only lost in a year was to Barnett and he revenged that loss already (and Barnett beat Randy you can market the fight that way). He is considered the 2nd best heavyweight in the world so I have no idea why you people think he needs another fight.

If Big Nog is Randys next test I would say (although I have been wrong the past two times) that Big Nog would pretty much be the worst match up for Randy. Great BJJ, awesome chin, and crisp good boxing skills.

Now Randy has been a bulldozer his past two fights, coming in strong and fast and not letting his opponent get in his game. His takedowns and ground and pound have been off the chain and his standup has looked awesome (espeically from the clinch). But Nog is as experienced, if not more, then Randy. We have seen him take brutal BRUTAL gnp punishment from Fedor and his standup is way better then big Tims and Gabes. When he does get takendown, or he gets the takedown, his BJJ is bar none (I know he didn't have his best performance against Heath but Heath is a tough dude).

So if this fight does take place I have Nog over Randy and this time I am positive about it. Lets pray to Satan that this fight does in fact come together cause I would love to see it.



So many people were positive that Gonzaga was going to overpower Randy and beat him senseless. Not me, I learned my lesson when he destroyed Sylvia. His age is irrelevant at this point. His abilities are undeniable. Anyone who says Big Nog is going to whip his ass after the showing that Nog had against Herring, is living in fantasy land.



No way. Nog is on a whole other level then Gonzaga and big Tim. Herring is no chump (only god knows what he was doing against O'Brian) and Nog would take it to Randy. I'm not saying it would be a down right smack down but there is no way I would pick against Nog in that match up.

Oh and anyone who thinks Tito is still a top LHW contender is living in fantasy land.



WRONG! Heath Herring is a chump and he proven it with a horrible performance against Obrian and then a shameful performance against Nog where he had the fight won but refused to go to the ground and pound Nog out. If Herring, Werdum, Nog, and CC are the only proof that the heavy weight division in pride was worth a damn and two of these guys have recent wins over Barnett, what does that say about the depth of pride's heavy weight competition. The more and more I see these guys fight, the more and more I'm convinced Pride heavy wieghts are crap. If you want to call Randy out because of his loss to Barnett, that's fine go ahead, but 1) Randy is way better than he was in 2002, and 2) Barnett was juicing.

And for all you guys that want to discount Gonzaga, thats fine but then you gotta drop your boy CC down a notch because he was schooled by Gonzaga on his feet and on the ground. And if you have to drop CC down a notch than you have to drop Nog as well because most people feel that CC is better than Nog. FACE IT PRIDE HEAVYWEIGHTS ARE OVERRATED!

As for Tito, when did I say he was a contender? He's on my Top ten list but can you name 10 fighters better than him in the UFC LHW division? You'll be hard pressed to do so.
keith-hackney1
8/28/07 3:36:20PM
If mirko beats a sloppy kongo and gets an immediate title shot against couture dispite the fact that in his fight before he got ko'd by GG, then that is ****** up !!
At the moment, CC isnt in the top 4 for contendership. If any of you out there think he is, then that must mean that if kongo was to pull off the upset, He then would get an automatic titlle shot. That aint right is it ??
CC needs to fight the winner of sylvia/vera. And gonzaga Gets noguiera. Then the two winners square off, then that winner getys couture for the belt !!!
nubby
8/28/07 3:42:03PM

Posted by keith-hackney1

If mirko beats a sloppy kongo and gets an immediate title shot against couture dispite the fact that in his fight before he got ko'd by GG, then that is ****** up !!
At the moment, CC isnt in the top 4 for contendership. If any of you out there think he is, then that must mean that if kongo was to pull off the upset, He then would get an automatic titlle shot. That aint right is it ??
CC needs to fight the winner of sylvia/vera. And gonzaga Gets noguiera. Then the two winners square off, then that winner getys couture for the belt !!!


Damn thats a long time to wait for a heavy weight title fight. But I agree. The only one who should get a title match any time soon is Fedor.
jocksmall
8/28/07 10:16:11PM

Posted by nickcuc547


Posted by StorminYourman

My Big Nog




i dont think big nog should get it because of his performance against herring, and it would only be his second ufc fight, in my opinion arlovski deserves it but he wont get it, maybe vera if he beats sylva (which i dont think will happen)?


how is big nog less deserving than randy was coming into the big tim fight? randy was coming off a loss at lhw and then gets a hw title shot
nubby
8/28/07 11:34:02PM
Because when Randy came there were no other heavy wieghts to fight Tim.
roman
8/28/07 11:46:06PM

Posted by nubby


Posted by roman


Posted by nubby


Posted by roman

Big Nog should be Randy's next opponent. His only lost in a year was to Barnett and he revenged that loss already (and Barnett beat Randy you can market the fight that way). He is considered the 2nd best heavyweight in the world so I have no idea why you people think he needs another fight.

If Big Nog is Randys next test I would say (although I have been wrong the past two times) that Big Nog would pretty much be the worst match up for Randy. Great BJJ, awesome chin, and crisp good boxing skills.

Now Randy has been a bulldozer his past two fights, coming in strong and fast and not letting his opponent get in his game. His takedowns and ground and pound have been off the chain and his standup has looked awesome (espeically from the clinch). But Nog is as experienced, if not more, then Randy. We have seen him take brutal BRUTAL gnp punishment from Fedor and his standup is way better then big Tims and Gabes. When he does get takendown, or he gets the takedown, his BJJ is bar none (I know he didn't have his best performance against Heath but Heath is a tough dude).

So if this fight does take place I have Nog over Randy and this time I am positive about it. Lets pray to Satan that this fight does in fact come together cause I would love to see it.



So many people were positive that Gonzaga was going to overpower Randy and beat him senseless. Not me, I learned my lesson when he destroyed Sylvia. His age is irrelevant at this point. His abilities are undeniable. Anyone who says Big Nog is going to whip his ass after the showing that Nog had against Herring, is living in fantasy land.



No way. Nog is on a whole other level then Gonzaga and big Tim. Herring is no chump (only god knows what he was doing against O'Brian) and Nog would take it to Randy. I'm not saying it would be a down right smack down but there is no way I would pick against Nog in that match up.

Oh and anyone who thinks Tito is still a top LHW contender is living in fantasy land.



WRONG! Heath Herring is a chump and he proven it with a horrible performance against Obrian and then a shameful performance against Nog where he had the fight won but refused to go to the ground and pound Nog out. If Herring, Werdum, Nog, and CC are the only proof that the heavy weight division in pride was worth a damn and two of these guys have recent wins over Barnett, what does that say about the depth of pride's heavy weight competition. The more and more I see these guys fight, the more and more I'm convinced Pride heavy wieghts are crap. If you want to call Randy out because of his loss to Barnett, that's fine go ahead, but 1) Randy is way better than he was in 2002, and 2) Barnett was juicing.

And for all you guys that want to discount Gonzaga, thats fine but then you gotta drop your boy CC down a notch because he was schooled by Gonzaga on his feet and on the ground. And if you have to drop CC down a notch than you have to drop Nog as well because most people feel that CC is better than Nog. FACE IT PRIDE HEAVYWEIGHTS ARE OVERRATED!

As for Tito, when did I say he was a contender? He's on my Top ten list but can you name 10 fighters better than him in the UFC LHW division? You'll be hard pressed to do so.



I love Couture he is my favorite fighter just below Henderson. All I'm saying is Nog deserves to fight him and Nog will beat him if they do fight. Werdum had a boring match with AA, Werdum is scared to bang and AA was scared to get taken down. Cro Cop got knocked out from one of his worst showings, he will be back mark my words. And Nog had a war with Herring, his third war with him. I don't think they are overrated at all and you saying that is very arrogant. 1) I think Barnett would still beat him today, Randy can't push him around like that, and 2) Wheter Barnett was on the juice or not he still won.

1.Henderson 2.Shogun 3.Jackson 4.Chuck 5.Silva 6.Sokoudjou 7.Arona 8.Nog 9. Nakamura 10.Sobral 11.Machida. Titos not even in my top 11 lol
nubby
8/29/07 12:14:59AM

Posted by roman


Posted by nubby


Posted by roman


Posted by nubby


Posted by roman

Big Nog should be Randy's next opponent. His only lost in a year was to Barnett and he revenged that loss already (and Barnett beat Randy you can market the fight that way). He is considered the 2nd best heavyweight in the world so I have no idea why you people think he needs another fight.

If Big Nog is Randys next test I would say (although I have been wrong the past two times) that Big Nog would pretty much be the worst match up for Randy. Great BJJ, awesome chin, and crisp good boxing skills.

Now Randy has been a bulldozer his past two fights, coming in strong and fast and not letting his opponent get in his game. His takedowns and ground and pound have been off the chain and his standup has looked awesome (espeically from the clinch). But Nog is as experienced, if not more, then Randy. We have seen him take brutal BRUTAL gnp punishment from Fedor and his standup is way better then big Tims and Gabes. When he does get takendown, or he gets the takedown, his BJJ is bar none (I know he didn't have his best performance against Heath but Heath is a tough dude).

So if this fight does take place I have Nog over Randy and this time I am positive about it. Lets pray to Satan that this fight does in fact come together cause I would love to see it.



So many people were positive that Gonzaga was going to overpower Randy and beat him senseless. Not me, I learned my lesson when he destroyed Sylvia. His age is irrelevant at this point. His abilities are undeniable. Anyone who says Big Nog is going to whip his ass after the showing that Nog had against Herring, is living in fantasy land.



No way. Nog is on a whole other level then Gonzaga and big Tim. Herring is no chump (only god knows what he was doing against O'Brian) and Nog would take it to Randy. I'm not saying it would be a down right smack down but there is no way I would pick against Nog in that match up.

Oh and anyone who thinks Tito is still a top LHW contender is living in fantasy land.



WRONG! Heath Herring is a chump and he proven it with a horrible performance against Obrian and then a shameful performance against Nog where he had the fight won but refused to go to the ground and pound Nog out. If Herring, Werdum, Nog, and CC are the only proof that the heavy weight division in pride was worth a damn and two of these guys have recent wins over Barnett, what does that say about the depth of pride's heavy weight competition. The more and more I see these guys fight, the more and more I'm convinced Pride heavy wieghts are crap. If you want to call Randy out because of his loss to Barnett, that's fine go ahead, but 1) Randy is way better than he was in 2002, and 2) Barnett was juicing.

And for all you guys that want to discount Gonzaga, thats fine but then you gotta drop your boy CC down a notch because he was schooled by Gonzaga on his feet and on the ground. And if you have to drop CC down a notch than you have to drop Nog as well because most people feel that CC is better than Nog. FACE IT PRIDE HEAVYWEIGHTS ARE OVERRATED!

As for Tito, when did I say he was a contender? He's on my Top ten list but can you name 10 fighters better than him in the UFC LHW division? You'll be hard pressed to do so.



I love Couture he is my favorite fighter just below Henderson. All I'm saying is Nog deserves to fight him and Nog will beat him if they do fight. Werdum had a boring match with AA, Werdum is scared to bang and AA was scared to get taken down. Cro Cop got knocked out from one of his worst showings, he will be back mark my words. And Nog had a war with Herring, his third war with him. I don't think they are overrated at all and you saying that is very arrogant. 1) I think Barnett would still beat him today, Randy can't push him around like that, and 2) Wheter Barnett was on the juice or not he still won.

1.Henderson 2.Shogun 3.Jackson 4.Chuck 5.Silva 6.Sokoudjou 7.Arona 8.Nog 9. Nakamura 10.Sobral 11.Machida. Titos not even in my top 11 lol



Yeah too bad I said name 10 in the UFC and Nakamura and Machida better than Tito... HAHAHA! I bet Tito would beat 5-11 with ease.
duniek1
8/29/07 7:12:37PM
I do not agrre that BiG Nog should or even deserve a title shot right now. He won with Herring just because Herring refused to win ... CC ? After a knock out like that?? Please. Maybe winner of Arlovski / BIG NOG or Vera / Sylvia but none of those guyes as their next fight. CC in my opinion should climb back up before being considered a contender , Kongo ? Who is it :))) But that's just my opinion.
P.s. I am not trying to take anything from C. KOngo , but he hasn't had a winning streak to go for a crown just yet.
ButterBalls
8/30/07 12:34:43AM
Josh Barnett should have the next shot at Randy. His last fight in the UFC was against Randy, and he beat him. By all rights he should without a doubt be the #1 contender as he never actually lost the belt.
After he wins, we can all finally see Barnett vs. Fedor. Dana should have been able to sign the Russian by then.

/endthread
matthughes23
8/30/07 7:18:04AM
If randy's next defense happens this year, (although i seriously doubt it) i think Nogueira is all they got at the moment. However, Nogueira put on a crappy performance against herring. Looks like the cage or/and rule changes are really proving to be a downfall for the PRIDE heavyweights. However, if randy's next defense is next year, I hope Vera beats the crap out of Big Tim and goes on to face randy next year.
MMAnomale
8/30/07 11:16:50AM

Posted by nubby


Posted by roman


Posted by nubby


Posted by roman


Posted by nubby


Posted by roman



1.Henderson 2.Shogun 3.Jackson 4.Chuck 5.Silva 6.Sokoudjou 7.Arona 8.Nog 9. Nakamura 10.Sobral 11.Machida. Titos not even in my top 11 lol



Yeah too bad I said name 10 in the UFC and Nakamura and Machida better than Tito... HAHAHA! I bet Tito would beat 5-11 with ease.



Are you serious??!! Tito's having enough problems with Rashad. Get real man, Tito would beat 5-11 WITH EASE!!!!???? With ease?? Get back on your meds man, and if you're not on them, then you need to be. Although, I don't know if crazy pills would even be enough for someone making a comment such as that. Rashad wasn't even ranked in dudes' top 11 and Tito had a hard time w/him. Granted, he would've won without the point deduction (which was completely his fault and he should've known better), but he certainly wasn't doing it with ease. As a matter of fact, it looked like he was having a hard time, and even though his conditining is supposed to be "through the roof," it looked like he was gassed. Tito ISN'T in the top ten LHW's....Not anymore. If he regained the old fire he might get back in the top ten, but he'll never be in the top five again. Ever....Too many great fighters, and even though he's still decently young, more up-and-coming fighters will continue to be better and better athletes and mixed-martial-artists then the previous generations.
Kovalchuk
8/30/07 2:28:09PM

Posted by nickcuc547


Posted by StorminYourman

My Big Nog




i dont think big nog should get it because of his performance against herring, and it would only be his second ufc fight, in my opinion arlovski deserves it but he wont get it, maybe vera if he beats sylva (which i dont think will happen)?



What kind of logic is that.... If not Nog then who? The same old army? Again Syilva vs Couture? Arlovsky? Was his performance better then Nog's? Hardly. It was passive boring fest, AA was avoiding the fight at all costs. In Pride he would recieve several yellow cards. Nog spent pretty solid fight, controling the fight 14 minutes out of 15.

You say Nog shouldn't... Why? He have no cridentials? It is not like it was his first and the only fight. He ranked No. 2 HW. Randy didn't even had to fight to get his shot on Sylva. (not to mention he actually lost his last fight before getting Sylva)

I'm asking myself when Randy starts fighting top 5 heavyweighters... and not Sylvias or Veras... If it will be Vera I will puke. Then why did they bring Pride guys. If Couture want Fedor he should deserve it by fighting AND beating top five: Nog, Barret, Cro Cop and then Fedor.
pv3Hpv3p
8/30/07 2:50:57PM
Why was Nog's performance against Herring sooo aweful? Besides the fact that he lost the 1st (in the last minute)... He dominated Heath the rest of the fight...

You have to look at a fighters list of accomplishment when considering #1 contendership, not just what he has done in the last six months... Otherwise, guy's like Obrien (undefeated I believe) or even Eddie Sanchez (one loss) should be considered "contenders... And that's not right.

As for those who say that Randy needs to prove himself to fight Fedor, get off your horses. He's the UFC's HVY champ, and no matter what Fedor has accomplished in his career, he's not going to be given the UFC's belt by default. IMO, Fedor obviously deserves an immediate titleshot, but to say Randy needs to prove himself before getting a chance to defend HIS title is bullshit.

It's a messed up situation, but I'm hoping they put together a AA / Big Nog matchup with the winner fighting the victor of the upcoming CC / Kongo fight...

Big Tim / Vera should be interesting, but I see the winner fighting HH, and waiting in the wings for the rest to pan out....

Of course all this is assuming that Fedor doesn't get signed... that would make it a little more complicated...

Either way, AA vs Big Nog should happen
nubby
8/30/07 3:26:04PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p

Why was Nog's performance against Herring sooo aweful? Besides the fact that he lost the 1st (in the last minute)... He dominated Heath the rest of the fight...

You have to look at a fighters list of accomplishment when considering #1 contendership, not just what he has done in the last six months... Otherwise, guy's like Obrien (undefeated I believe) or even Eddie Sanchez (one loss) should be considered "contenders... And that's not right.

As for those who say that Randy needs to prove himself to fight Fedor, get off your horses. He's the UFC's HVY champ, and no matter what Fedor has accomplished in his career, he's not going to be given the UFC's belt by default. IMO, Fedor obviously deserves an immediate titleshot, but to say Randy needs to prove himself before getting a chance to defend HIS title is bullshit.

It's a messed up situation, but I'm hoping they put together a AA / Big Nog matchup with the winner fighting the victor of the upcoming CC / Kongo fight...

Big Tim / Vera should be interesting, but I see the winner fighting HH, and waiting in the wings for the rest to pan out....

Of course all this is assuming that Fedor doesn't get signed... that would make it a little more complicated...

Either way, AA vs Big Nog should happen


Nog didn't dominate a single thing. Herring was so out of that fight it wasn't even funny. The dude had the fight won and he let Nog recover through 2 full rounds. It's ludicrous to think that Nog's performance was anything but mediocre.
jocksmall
8/30/07 8:24:03PM
nubby if prides hw are overated why are the ufc giving them all contracts and why is it that no one even talked about the hw in the ufc untill the guys from pride started coming over. just because you like the ufc fighters better doesnt mean that they are better. these guys from pride are coming over to the states and getting used to new rules : elbows, no head kicks to grounded man, the cage and the slower pace where guys are given more freedom on the ground and on thier feet to be less active. like i said many times before i believe that the pride hw were better, now there is no pride but i still think that those guys are at the top of the food chain. gonzaga doesnt have a very impressive resume, arlowski hasnt been very impressive nor has big tim but i dont ever see you bashing those guys. we all love randy but he is 16-8 so we know alot of guys could possibly beat him.
the ufc hw division was so weak they didnt have a contender for big tim(who most considered to be a lower top 10 guy) so dana gave randy a title shot after he had lost 2 of his last 3 fights at a smaller weight class.
icemansakuraba
8/31/07 1:08:25AM
antonio rodrigo nogueira
bezun
9/7/07 7:44:15PM
Oh yeah. Its a Chute bubble bathe ad.
mrshow
9/8/07 4:18:41AM
FEDOR!!
-RiK-
9/8/07 5:37:29AM
i would like to see arlovski fight couture, but like people have said, dana doesn't seem to want to give arlovski the shot atm. seeing as randy broke his arm versus gabe, i can see him fighting the winner of cro cop/nog in nov/dec (of course if mirko beats kongo).
gspfan31
9/8/07 9:58:49PM
vera or big nog
nubby
9/8/07 10:07:49PM

Posted by jocksmall

nubby if prides hw are overated why are the ufc giving them all contracts and why is it that no one even talked about the hw in the ufc untill the guys from pride started coming over. just because you like the ufc fighters better doesnt mean that they are better. these guys from pride are coming over to the states and getting used to new rules : elbows, no head kicks to grounded man, the cage and the slower pace where guys are given more freedom on the ground and on thier feet to be less active. like i said many times before i believe that the pride hw were better, now there is no pride but i still think that those guys are at the top of the food chain. gonzaga doesnt have a very impressive resume, arlowski hasnt been very impressive nor has big tim but i dont ever see you bashing those guys. we all love randy but he is 16-8 so we know alot of guys could possibly beat him.
the ufc hw division was so weak they didnt have a contender for big tim(who most considered to be a lower top 10 guy) so dana gave randy a title shot after he had lost 2 of his last 3 fights at a smaller weight class.



Because the UFC has to sign pride heavyweights. It solidifies the skills of current high ranking fighters by showing their dominance over pride's fighters. But I feel this is only the case with heavyweights. I think pride definitely had a more skillfull light-heavy weight division.
JimiMak
9/9/07 2:25:37AM
Now it looks like either Randy/Fedor or Randy/Nog determines #1 HW in the world.
ColdCutCombo
9/9/07 11:56:52PM
arlovski....1 win to get a shot

vera....1 win to get a shot

kongo...1-2 wins to get a shot

cro cop....4-6 wins to get a shot

fedor....whenever he feels like it (possibly not wanting to fight randy for whatever reasons, hes definatly not scared..i think)

nogueira....1-2 wins

sylvia, rematch....2-4 wins

gonzaga, rematch....2-4 wins

Mir....4-7 wins and a vera rematch

O'Brian....3-4 wins


maybe some outside heavyweights from a different orginization.
Tastetherainbow
9/10/07 7:09:26AM

Posted by bezun

Oh yeah. Its a Chute bubble bathe ad.



haha oh man thats classic.
Sheddy
9/10/07 8:50:39AM
Noguiera.
Whilst not fighting in the Octagon, apart from Herring, he's more than proved himself in Pride, and ultimately proved himslef as a top HW.

I think because he didn't tap HH in the first round, that some people are thinking that maybe he's not worthy.

I'd put him above Sylvia, Vera and Arlovski.
Mirko's well out of the picture now.




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