Posted by cowcatcher
Posted by KungFuMaster
Posted by MuayThaiGeek13
Not sure if I even understand the rule completely regardless I don't see the point in trash talking our heros. Critisizism on the other hand, is in a different realm...atleast you had something debate worthy to bring up. must spread love KFM
I'm not concerned with bashing fighters; I don't like to do that... I'm more focused on being able to speculate about whether or not a fight was thrown and things of that nature.
You have to consider that it's a sport, and especially that it's MMA. In all sports there are seemingly miraculous comebacks, and even more so when it's a sport like MMA where one punch or TD can change the tide of a fight dramatically. At the level of the UFC, where one bad performance can cost a guy his job, and when he only can count on getting a check a few times a year tops, do you really think guys are willing to throw fights?
In the case of Rumble/Vitor, you have to realize what a toll weight cutting takes on the body, especially for a guy like Johnson that cuts huge amounts of weight for a fight. Cutting 10 pounds the day before a fight can take a toll, imagine cutting 30. Speculation like that is silly, and that's the nice word for it. It doesn't have a place on these boards.
I will add that I'm sure fighters drop fights intentionally in smaller organizations, ie Bob Sapp, so it's not like it never happens, but it just doesn't make sense for it to happen in the UFC just like it doesn't make sense in the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. There's no reason to throw fights at that level because it can ruin a career. I don't see many fighters willing to take that chance, and the UFC for sure doesn't want that happening on their watch, nor would they promote that happening. It would be suicide for them as an organization in this day and age where information flows so freely.
You told me what you thought happened in the Belfort vs Rumble fight. Now, if I may, I like to tell you what I think may have happened.
Rumble missed weight significantly. The Brazilians were furious. Dana was upset. Is it not possible something was said to Rumble to make him throw the fight? I would not be saying this if there was nothing to go on. During the fight, Rumble looked to be saving himself punishment by flattening himself out for the choke. Vitor looked to be confused for a slight second as to why his opponent was not putting up much of a struggle and saw how easily available the choke was for him - and that was when he opted to submit instead of reigning down more punches from the back mount. Is it possible this may have happened? If you listen to Vitor's post fight comment, he almost sounded as though he knew he was given a gift. He was upset it wasn't the fight he was looking for but somewhat gracious that he won in easy fashion.
I agree most fighters will not throw fights but in rare and sensitive cases like the Belfort and Rumble fight, I can definitely entertain the thought.
If I am able to speculate within reason the way I just did, then there not need be a changing of the rule.