Posted by NatedawgThaM
Favoritism. I willing to bet at the least 80% of UFC fans favorite fighter is Chuck Liddell. Forrest is also more popular the Jardine. It's kinda a popularity contest.
I definitely don't. Chuck was out of my top 10 until he beat Wandy and then I ranked him 6th or 7th just because that wasn't that big of a win unless you count LHW champ legacy vs legacy. But current status wise, if it wasn't for there past success, that fight would have been a prelim to stay in the UFC.
Jardine KO'd Forrest, as simple as that and both are 2-1 in there last 3. So Jardine almost has to get the nod.
Well you would seem to be wrong, as Chuck is voted the # 7 fan favorite on the sites rankings, and it's mathematically impossible that would make him anywhere near even vote counted 20% of the members favorite fighter. That doesn't mean a fair amount of people don't like him., but it seems that this is another case of hyperbole, or a serious miscalculation. It could also be that you don'y know how the sites rankings are calculated. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just didn't think it all the way through, as you could have just looked the favorite rankings up on this site. To me Chuck is like Tyson was back in the day to the casual fan. They've seen a few highlights on promos, maybe a fight or 2, and they have heard enough stories to make him into a larger than life figure. We all know you don't like Chuck, you have posted about it repeatedly. The thing about me is I, why I have always loved to watch Chuck and Wandy fight, as they are both exciting warriors in my book, I have usually rooted against both till they started losing. I guess I just feel bad to see a legend fall, but back when Randy and Rampage were my favorite fighters, these guys kept ruining my day.
So while sometimes they showed attitudes I felt were less than classy, I still felt they overwhelmingly deserved my respect. The symptom I have seen from a lot of diehards is they resent the casual fans lack of knowledge. When they hear them going on about Chuck Liddell as if he is invincible, it irks them and turns them against him. I always thought Holyfeild and Bowe would beat Tyson, even before he started free-falling,but when most casual fans heard that they would flip out. You would get the occasional reasonable casual guy who could understand your argument. Sometimes you would hear a casual fan parrot your argument to others later, as if it was their argument, in order to make themselves feel superior in boxing knowledge. Either way it made a lot of boxing diehards pay for Tyson's downfall. There is no way to actually prove it , but I have never met a diehard boxing fan who thought Tyson was better than Ali, Holmes, Louis, Marciano etc. Yet random casual fans declared him the best ever, without even knowing who the other contenders to that title were. I personally thought Chuck was the #1 LHVY before the 2nd loss to Rampage, and that Rampage was ruined mentally. I was obviously wrong, but even though I had picked Chuck to win the fight , casual fans were making me wish he would lose. I would hear random people talking MMA , and join into the conversation, only to find out that most hadn't even seen the first fight. So they were basing their assumptions on limited and faulty information. Anyone who knows me knows how much I dislike people making declarations of certainty that aren't certain, and can't stand it even more when they aren't even qualified to make the declaration. So becuase a lot of casual guys wanted to feel knowledgeable and right, I ended up resenting Chuck/Randy/Diego and GSP for a little bit. There just seemed to be a lot of uneducated MMA fans making bold declarations about these 4 being invincible. I was a huge fan of Randy and GSP , but could always see many possible scenarios in which they could be beat.Some of my friends even resented the UFC ,as they felt the UFC wasn't fooling them . Thats when I realized how ridiculous this was. I was resenting a company for promoting it''s fighters and brand? Thats what they are supposed to do! I am not insecure enough to feel the need to prove to everyone that I'm not fooled, but it seemed some of my friends were. They were generally my early 20's friends, so that made more sense. I probably would have still been all riled up just like them at that age. Anyway, I think that kind of backlash has hurt Chuck with the diehard fans, and I also think the casual fans aren't really Chuck fans, so much as they are attracted to the feeling of seeming knowledgeable. Those type of people generally don't spend a lot of time on these sites. You will see some float in when they are new to it, and some will drift away when something else is the cool new thing for them. Others will stick , grow in knowledge , and become diehards. The way the sites rankings are calculated is this. The better your record over a long time, the more your personal rankings count toward the sites overall totals., If some new guy joins the site and is 10-6 on 2 cards, he is barely even a mathematical blip in the overall equation. It's also the reason I often try to get long term members to actually keep their rankings current. Overtime most people who are knowledgeable will have picks that even out over time, They will generally pick well enough for their personal rankings to make a difference. So no matter what the sites rankings, and if some of us disagree with them, they are they overall collective wisdom of the long term MMA die hard members of this site.