What's the deal with this play? (Yanks/Angels)

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pv3Hpv3p
10/21/09 1:02:54PM
WTF???

I guess i don't know as much about baseball as I thought... Either that, or the yankees reeeeally deserve to win this year... Enough for the umps to give em a little edge too... Probably the shittiest call I've ever seen in baseball (that and the double they took away from Mauer against the Yanks in the divisional series)

Thoughts?
DCRage
10/21/09 1:18:33PM
Conspiracy plain and simple. Doing whatever it takes to get the Yanks in the World Series because Selig is more interested in TV ratings than the fans.
Jshep714
10/21/09 1:28:56PM

Posted by DCRage

Conspiracy plain and simple. Doing whatever it takes to get the Yanks in the World Series because Selig is more interested in TV ratings than the fans.



I hope you aren't serious with the conspiracy theory. That call had nothing to do with the end of the game. Even if they called Jorge and Cano out they still would of won. The Angels also got a call their way when Swisher was called out for tagging up early.

There are blown calls in every sport, its going to happen when there is no instant replay and there should be no thoughts of conspiracy.
AchillesHeel
10/21/09 1:43:35PM
People cry conspiracy when it becomes a pattern. And it has. I think it was late in the second game of the current series when the 2B umpire suddenly decided not to give Aybar the "in the neighborhood" double-play call. Even the announcers were shocked. The Angels got out of the inning, but at the time it sure looked like the umpire had given the Yankees a run on a silver platter.
ko-kbo130
10/21/09 3:00:56PM

Posted by AchillesHeel

People cry conspiracy when it becomes a pattern. And it has. I think it was late in the second game of the current series when the 2B umpire suddenly decided not to give Aybar the "in the neighborhood" double-play call. Even the announcers were shocked. The Angels got out of the inning, but at the time it sure looked like the umpire had given the Yankees a run on a silver platter.


"in the neighborhood" Aybar wasn't even close to "in the neighborhood" i can understand a few inches away from the bag. he was so far off the bag with both feet it was unbelievable. that was the right call. as for the play at third, well that was just a bit ridiculous. as was swisher not getting called out on the pick-off at second, and than swisher getting called out on the appeal to third.
higdon10
10/21/09 3:02:43PM
The call was terrible, but as an umpire myself I can assure you that it happens. There's no conspiracy, Tim McClellen is just a human being like you and I.
Rush
10/21/09 3:05:38PM
I don't watch baseball, but even I thought that should have been a double out. Had the guy gunning for home stayed on the plate, that would have been different, but both were off the bag when they got tagged.
emfleek
10/21/09 3:05:50PM

Posted by higdon10

The call was terrible, but as an umpire myself I can assure you that it happens. There's no conspiracy, Tim McClellen is just a human being like you and I.



He should not be an umpire if he misses a call like that. Even someone that knows nothing about baseball can tell you that if 2 guys are off the base and they're tagged with the ball, they're out. It wasn't a judgement call. There was no room for interpretation. Both runners should have been called out and, at that level, if you can't make that call, you SHOULD NOT be an umpire.
AchillesHeel
10/21/09 3:19:13PM

Posted by ko-kbo130

"in the neighborhood" Aybar wasn't even close to "in the neighborhood" i can understand a few inches away from the bag. he was so far off the bag with both feet it was unbelievable. that was the right call.


He wasn't "so far off the bag", actually. He was just the right amount off the bag. Umpires routinely give infielders that call. In that case, the umpire mysteriously decided to call the play by the book.
ko-kbo130
10/21/09 3:27:03PM

Posted by AchillesHeel


Posted by ko-kbo130

"in the neighborhood" Aybar wasn't even close to "in the neighborhood" i can understand a few inches away from the bag. he was so far off the bag with both feet it was unbelievable. that was the right call.


He wasn't "so far off the bag", actually. He was just the right amount off the bag. Umpires routinely give infielders that call. In that case, the umpire mysteriously decided to call the play by the book.


see heres where this call is debatable. because what is in the neighborhood to you might not be to someone else. I feel he was way too far off the bag to be considered in the neighborhood. This play wasn't even brought up on the "debatable calls" clip on mlb.com, while Brett Gardener getting thrown out stealing was. When Aybar first straddled the bag he was no were close, on the transition to the through he may have been close but still really not that close. For you it may have been close enough, for me he may have been to far. That's why there should be no deviations from the rules. we wont have to argue calls like this if the game was just played to the rules.
Basshandsome
10/21/09 3:48:12PM

Posted by ko-kbo130


Posted by AchillesHeel


Posted by ko-kbo130

"in the neighborhood" Aybar wasn't even close to "in the neighborhood" i can understand a few inches away from the bag. he was so far off the bag with both feet it was unbelievable. that was the right call.


He wasn't "so far off the bag", actually. He was just the right amount off the bag. Umpires routinely give infielders that call. In that case, the umpire mysteriously decided to call the play by the book.


see heres where this call is debatable. because what is in the neighborhood to you might not be to someone else. I feel he was way too far off the bag to be considered in the neighborhood. This play wasn't even brought up on the "debatable calls" clip on mlb.com, while Brett Gardener getting thrown out stealing was. When Aybar first straddled the bag he was no were close, on the transition to the through he may have been close but still really not that close. For you it may have been close enough, for me he may have been to far. That's why there should be no deviations from the rules. we wont have to argue calls like this if the game was just played to the rules.



The umps were fine with him being "in the neighborhood" all night and then he all of the sudden did not get the call and that was the problem. The calls have to be consistent. There is room for leeway in every thing (speed limit for example) and in every sport (traveling and palming in basketball). With all this being said I don't think these calls are being given to give a team an advantage but simply some miscalls by humans.
Wallass
10/21/09 4:08:51PM
One word................. "Illuminati". LOL.
higdon10
10/21/09 6:24:43PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by higdon10

The call was terrible, but as an umpire myself I can assure you that it happens. There's no conspiracy, Tim McClellen is just a human being like you and I.



He should not be an umpire if he misses a call like that. Even someone that knows nothing about baseball can tell you that if 2 guys are off the base and they're tagged with the ball, they're out. It wasn't a judgement call. There was no room for interpretation. Both runners should have been called out and, at that level, if you can't make that call, you SHOULD NOT be an umpire.



McClellen is one of the most respected umpires in baseball, he just made a mistake. This kind of thing happens every so often, human error sometime effects the game. But to say that he SHOULD NOT be an umpire is a bit ridiculous. The same kind of thing happened with Ed Hochuli early last NFL season, and he is arguably the finest official in football, and he has continued to show that ever since his mistake.
emfleek
10/21/09 6:53:57PM

Posted by higdon10

McClellen is one of the most respected umpires in baseball, he just made a mistake. This kind of thing happens every so often, human error sometime effects the game. But to say that he SHOULD NOT be an umpire is a bit ridiculous. The same kind of thing happened with Ed Hochuli early last NFL season, and he is arguably the finest official in football, and he has continued to show that ever since his mistake.


I'm sorry, but there's no justification for the mistake he made. It was the most obvious call there could have been. No excuse is good enough. "Just made a mistake" would have been calling a runner out at the plate or calling a ball that bounced off the top of the wall a homerun. This was a COLOSSAL error. There's no way he should have missed that call. None whatsoever.
higdon10
10/21/09 8:05:04PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by higdon10

McClellen is one of the most respected umpires in baseball, he just made a mistake. This kind of thing happens every so often, human error sometime effects the game. But to say that he SHOULD NOT be an umpire is a bit ridiculous. The same kind of thing happened with Ed Hochuli early last NFL season, and he is arguably the finest official in football, and he has continued to show that ever since his mistake.


I'm sorry, but there's no justification for the mistake he made. It was the most obvious call there could have been. No excuse is good enough. "Just made a mistake" would have been calling a runner out at the plate or calling a ball that bounced off the top of the wall a homerun. This was a COLOSSAL error. There's no way he should have missed that call. None whatsoever.



I understand that this was an awful call, I just think that your statements were a little outrageous.
Ordep
10/22/09 12:48:40AM
Just in general recent bad officiating calls:

I thought the SEC had serious problem of obvious biased call (you know what I'm talking about if you watched the UF-UArk game) to keep FLA/BAMA up and make sure they get to the Championship Game. What a coincidence...it was the same crew that called the excessive celebration penalty on AJ Green with less than a minute remaining that cost UGA the game.A week later the SEC in a press release confirmed that it was a bad call and apologized for it, *******. Then after the UF-Ark gator-love madness by the officials, the SEC finally suspended that crew. Lets go BCS rating-insurance penalties!!!!

Then something more horrible in the MLB. The whole Bar(for some reason a bunch of Angels fans) went nuts over this one. The yankees are the only team that are safe out of the bag?

This whole umpire/referees thing is getting out of control. TV contracts and fan-base favoritism (i.e. $$$) is taking control over sports and they can't even hide it anymore.

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News coverage:

SEC: Penalty on AJ Green was a bad call
2 weeks later...

SEC admit UF-ARK mistake call


2...


Posada said it was a bad call....the day after

Blown calls ALCS Gm4
emfleek
10/22/09 3:24:27PM

Posted by higdon10

I understand that this was an awful call, I just think that your statements were a little outrageous.



You're right, but I *do* believe he should at least be suspended for a while.
DJDark41
10/22/09 4:11:06PM
People say that George Steinbrenner is "buying" a World Series by out-spending other teams in free agency. However, I was unaware that umpires were also up for sale.
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