UFC on FX 4 - Maynard vs. Guida - Results/Discussion (Spoilers)

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kingsmasher
6/22/12 11:31:19PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Maynard could have tried to use his wrestling more if he didn't like it.



How can you wrestle someone you cant catch...looked a lot like a cartoon...Guidas antics were really a joke for UFC and MMA...It was effective to a point but octagon control I give him a zero...
BeeR
6/22/12 11:31:30PM

Posted by FlashyG


Posted by BeeR

maynard landed what, 12 punches the whole fight?



Calling that a fight is an insult to fights.



its a sport, with a game plan, and strategy, not some kids fighting at school.

Do the Giants lose when they win 24-7 after playing a defensive game?

Do the Devils lose when they win 4-0 after playing the trap?


didnt think so.

youtube has lots of street fight videos, maybe watch them if thats what you're into.


sure guida was backing up more then usual, but he outstruck maynard atleast 3 to 1.
postman
6/22/12 11:31:58PM

Posted by infestructure


Posted by postman


Posted by prophecy033

Maynard can complain all he wants but it was his job to stop Guida from executing his gameplan. I have no problem with how the fight went down even if I wanted a more exciting fight



Running from the fight is not a game plan IMO. Clay has awsome footwork but if you don't counter off that foot work well then your simply running from the fight. Asians invented fighting and the yellow card so the way I see it
the judges were right.



I liked what you were saying right up until the asians invented fighting part

No one invented fighting





LOL well I suppose Cane and Able invented fighting but whos to say they wern't Asian?
BelXavier420
6/22/12 11:32:44PM
I think Guida won the fight. It might not have been pretty but very few of his fights are. Honestly I had it 49 - 46, Maynard didn't even land a punch until 40 seconds left in the 2nd round. He might have landed 20 all together.
Twenty20Dollars
6/22/12 11:32:49PM
We got a bunch of Gray Maynard's in here.

BeeR
6/22/12 11:33:33PM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Maynard could have tried to use his wrestling more if he didn't like it.



How can you wrestle someone you cant catch...





easy, catch him.

if you cant, too bad.


come on now, its clay guida, not usain bolt, anybody can be caught.

instead of crying about phantom eye pokes and throwing the finger, he should have used his superior wrestling, when he DID, he was controlling.
kingsmasher
6/22/12 11:34:17PM

Posted by prophecy033


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by prophecy033


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Condit never got a warning and people complained their butts off about that fight.



Well it has to happen first then they know how to treat a runner

what?



they have to see a fighter run like Condit did Diaz and Clay did tonight...After the Condit fight I am sure MMA made a point to tell refs that if fighters appear to run give a warning....so tonight Dan knew to give a warning...

Condit's gameplan was perfect against Diaz. Diax wants you to stand still in front of him with your back against the cage so he can pepper you with punches. I have no problem with him getting out of the pocket before Diaz can get his gameplan going. I can understand how you and other would but I just see it as taking your opponents strength away



I agree it was a good gameplan but it was basically a boxing gameplan....More gameplans like Condits and Gudais will only take MMA in an opposite direction then probably what Dana wants...Guida took it to another level...Could you imagine watching that for another five rounds...
Twenty20Dollars
6/22/12 11:37:25PM
Maynard could have just stood in the middle of the octagon in protest.
postman
6/22/12 11:37:44PM
IMO Condit Diaz has nothing to do with this. Condit was landing leg kicks all night keeping Diaz from his goal of landing jab after jab on his face. I have nothing against a fighter moving away from the pocket as long as he counters off his movement.
Twenty20Dollars
6/22/12 11:38:23PM
We could just strap both of their feet in the middle of the octagon and they could just punch either other.
prophecy033
6/22/12 11:39:07PM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by prophecy033


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by prophecy033


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Condit never got a warning and people complained their butts off about that fight.



Well it has to happen first then they know how to treat a runner

what?



they have to see a fighter run like Condit did Diaz and Clay did tonight...After the Condit fight I am sure MMA made a point to tell refs that if fighters appear to run give a warning....so tonight Dan knew to give a warning...

Condit's gameplan was perfect against Diaz. Diax wants you to stand still in front of him with your back against the cage so he can pepper you with punches. I have no problem with him getting out of the pocket before Diaz can get his gameplan going. I can understand how you and other would but I just see it as taking your opponents strength away



I agree it was a good gameplan but it was basically a boxing gameplan....More gameplans like Condits and Gudais will only take MMA in an opposite direction then probably what Dana wants...Guida took it to another level...Could you imagine watching that for another five rounds...

I get what your saying but again I don't have a problem with it. You don't like it, stop it. You don't like being held down, get up. You don't want to get punched in the face, move.
Aether
6/22/12 11:39:12PM
I wasn't paying close enough attention to argue against the decision, but I can easily tell you that just saying "he ran" is not a valid argument. If he landed more strikes it really doesn't matter how he did it. If you're going to argue for Gray, you should be making some kind of argument about how he out-struck or out-pointed Guida, not just saying "Guida ran" or "That was embarrassing". That isn't a valid method for scoring a fight.
BeeR
6/22/12 11:40:13PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

We could just strap both of their feet in the middle of the octagon and they could just punch either other.



and well call it ultimate stationary fighting championships.
and only retards looking to get KO'd can participate
FlashyG
6/22/12 11:40:41PM

Posted by BeeR


Posted by FlashyG


Posted by BeeR

maynard landed what, 12 punches the whole fight?



Calling that a fight is an insult to fights.



its a sport, with a game plan, and strategy, not some kids fighting at school.

Do the Giants lose when they win 24-7 after playing a defensive game?

Do the Devils lose when they win 4-0 after playing the trap?


didnt think so.

youtube has lots of street fight videos, maybe watch them if thats what you're into.


sure guida was backing up more then usual, but he outstruck maynard atleast 3 to 1.



In the first round at least Guida was countering while running away, but after the 2nd round he stopped doing anything other than throwing out a token jab and actively attempting to avoid the fight.

If we stand-up fighters who are stalling on the ground we should have a similar punishment for fighters stalling on the feet.
BeeR
6/22/12 11:45:02PM

Posted by FlashyG


Posted by BeeR


Posted by FlashyG


Posted by BeeR

maynard landed what, 12 punches the whole fight?



Calling that a fight is an insult to fights.



its a sport, with a game plan, and strategy, not some kids fighting at school.

Do the Giants lose when they win 24-7 after playing a defensive game?

Do the Devils lose when they win 4-0 after playing the trap?


didnt think so.

youtube has lots of street fight videos, maybe watch them if thats what you're into.


sure guida was backing up more then usual, but he outstruck maynard atleast 3 to 1.



In the first round at least Guida was countering while running away, but after the 2nd round he stopped doing anything other than throwing out a token jab and actively attempting to avoid the fight.

If we stand-up fighters who are stalling on the ground we should have a similar punishment for fighters stalling on the feet.




he was warned when he ran. and he should have been.

but there is a MASSIVE difference between evasion and running.

heres an idea, put a boxer against a BJJ black belt, and punish the boxer when he doeant jump the black belts guard, would that make sense.

why the fuck would anyone jump into someones strengths instead of bringing them out of their game?


no difference.
kingsmasher
6/22/12 11:48:09PM

Posted by Aether

I wasn't paying close enough attention to argue against the decision, but I can easily tell you that just saying "he ran" is not a valid argument. If he landed more strikes it really doesn't matter how he did it. If you're going to argue for Gray, you should be making some kind of argument about how he out-struck or out-pointed Guida, not just saying "Guida ran" or "That was embarrassing". That isn't a valid method for scoring a fight.



well the bottom line to me is a plan like Guida just did will lose MMA fans and never get new ones and that is a fact....
FlashyG
6/22/12 11:48:35PM

Fight stats for Fisher v Stout

As I suspected the striking was almost even in every round with Stout having a takedown in each (2 in the 3rd) to swing the fight in his favor.

Only the first 4 rounds are up for the Maynard/Guida fight and while Guida landed more in rds 1 and 2, Maynard landed more in rds 3 and 4.
Twenty20Dollars
6/22/12 11:50:20PM
New rule, every fight has to come out Wandy style to start the fight, windmill style.

I mean, if you didn't like it you could stop watching it. Not like you paid 45$ for it. Was anyone really expecting this to be a good fight?

I just find it amusing at the people being Gray Maynard's about it.
Franklinfan47
6/22/12 11:50:32PM
Just goes to show the need for better defined judging criteria
prophecy033
6/22/12 11:50:45PM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by Aether

I wasn't paying close enough attention to argue against the decision, but I can easily tell you that just saying "he ran" is not a valid argument. If he landed more strikes it really doesn't matter how he did it. If you're going to argue for Gray, you should be making some kind of argument about how he out-struck or out-pointed Guida, not just saying "Guida ran" or "That was embarrassing". That isn't a valid method for scoring a fight.



well the bottom line to me is a plan like Guida just did will lose MMA fans and never get new ones and that is a fact....

its not fact because there is absolutely no data to back it up
BeeR
6/23/12 12:03:40AM
all fights, unlimited rounds until someone is KO'd or submitted.

Ultimate Mortal Street Fighter vs Marvel Combat Tekkan Fighting Championships.
FlashyG
6/23/12 12:19:33AM

Posted by BeeR

all fights, unlimited rounds until someone is KO'd or submitted.

Ultimate Mortal Street Fighter vs Marvel Combat Tekkan Fighting Championships.



Way to go to the furthest extreme.

Just because almost every person who watched that fight didn't like it doesn't mean we all want to see something as ridiculous as that.

Guida is free to use whatever strategy he wants and all the criticism he takes for it is absolutely warranted

Twenty20Dollars
6/23/12 12:39:13AM

Posted by BeeR

all fights, unlimited rounds until someone is KO'd or submitted.

Ultimate Mortal Street Fighter vs Marvel Combat Tekkan Fighting Championships.



Twenty20Dollars
6/23/12 3:46:49AM
I thought Ebersole had been fighting at 155, but guess not. He looked small for WW tonight. He says might move down to LW.

I knew he fought Lytle at 170, Hallman moved down, but I guess that was after the Ebersole fight and sometimes I think Claude Patrick looks like a 55er.


BeeR
6/23/12 6:14:56AM

Posted by FlashyG


Posted by BeeR

all fights, unlimited rounds until someone is KO'd or submitted.

Ultimate Mortal Street Fighter vs Marvel Combat Tekkan Fighting Championships.



Way to go to the furthest extreme.

Just because almost every person who watched that fight didn't like it doesn't mean we all want to see something as ridiculous as that.






could have fooled me.....



sparky
6/27/12 8:11:00AM

Posted by prophecy033


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by Aether

I wasn't paying close enough attention to argue against the decision, but I can easily tell you that just saying "he ran" is not a valid argument. If he landed more strikes it really doesn't matter how he did it. If you're going to argue for Gray, you should be making some kind of argument about how he out-struck or out-pointed Guida, not just saying "Guida ran" or "That was embarrassing". That isn't a valid method for scoring a fight.



well the bottom line to me is a plan like Guida just did will lose MMA fans and never get new ones and that is a fact....

its not fact because there is absolutely no data to back it up





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