Posted by Aaronno9
Posted by postman
This may have been touched on he also has White Pride accross his back. He needs to wear a neoprean sleve on his arm to cover it IMO. His back not sure he can do anything about that.
Well, considering nobody even questions Cain Valasquez's brown pride tattoo im not sure its really fair to question a white pride tattoo either. Keeping in mind Cain is fighting on PPV cards infront on millions of people showing his tattoo.
Its become cool to hate white people that hate other people but I totally agree.
I get tired of the double standard, whites are blasted for being racist (as they should be) but anyone else can do and say what they want and not be called out.
Posted by XblacksheepX
Posted by mentalcase
i think any kind of Pride to do with one's skin colour or nationality is stupid, Pride is something that should only be gained though personal achievement not what colour you were born
In general, i would agree 100%!!! But if you take historical circumstances in concideration, a resistance movement like the black panthers for example is way more than that. It's more like building a certain self-confidence in between individuals of a group of discriminated people and put into position against the diffamation it experiences.
I guess we all need justifcations for our behavior but thats a weak one.
Posted by SmileR
Just throwing my 2 cents in really.
If the guy is truly sorry he should have the tattoo covered end of story. It's offensive to pretty much everybody who isn't racist so theirs no excuse to have it out. Black, White, Asian, Mexican, French, German, Man or Woman, its despised by the masses. If he was truly a family man as he stated he'd have that covered already. Children idolize their parents so having that on their fathers arm is setting a bad example right off the bat.
As for the white pride tattoo I'm with the more sensible posters on the site and think its a racist statement aimed at inciting hatred.
Its nothing like Cane's brown pride tattoo which is stating he's proud of his heritage.
If he was as proud of his heritage there are hundreds of different more appropriate tattoo's to have rather than a right wing chant that is used in almost every hate rally in the world.
M1 as a company should have addressed this before Valtonen was even allowed in the ring. This has over shadowed all the fights on the card and I think has done damage to their already fragile reputation with MMA fans.
As for the White, Brown and Black pride and what it means, ALL three logo's are a symbol of race and the believe that you need to stand up for that race and all three are racist, I dont care really what someone says to attempt to justify the symbol. I find Cain's "Brown Pride" offensive should he be forced to cover it up? No.
Here in America we allow people the freedom to be douchebags and thats how it should be. He is free to believe anything he wants.
This was on another MMA board and I think it cuts to the heart of the argument.
Davisty69 It applies directly to defending any group being persecuted. The meaning is the same, no matter what it was originally applied to. Persecution is persecution. And the point of the article is that every group needs to be defended or Tyranny will rule everyone. Therefore, I defend a racists right to free speech/expression, because I want to keep my rights to free speech/expression.
I also think its quit ignorant to think the nazi's cornered the market on genocide, if we "should all be ashamed of what happened" Then we should be disgusted with ourselves now because right this second genocide is continuing to be carried out in other country's. People speak out about the Nazi's because it makes them feel good but hardly ever do they actually DO anything about the atrocity itself or get off there ass and make sure it stops and never happens again, and that is what we really should be ashamed of.
Davisty69 also quoted this poem and I think it has deep meaning in defending the rights of others even though you dont agee with their belief,
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me